ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE (Why or Why Not you Vote)and what propositions and candidate's you voting for

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Plutarch;5109222 said:
I don't know man. Sometimes you seem so sarcastic and dry that I can't ever tell whether you're being serious or not/facetious. That post is not only the one btw.
welcome to the internet

Plutarch;5109222 said:
Not only do I have to figure out if you're being serious, I gotta figure out where you live too? Everything's a mystery with you man.
still not understanding what the hell is going on here

Plutarch;5109222 said:
And what will be the prize for finding out the city/town in Maryland that you live in?
so i'm pretty sure no one cares about that AND that you don't have to wait very long to receive a prize of "nothing"

Plutarch;5109222 said:
And by "good Christian", I generally mean a follower of the religious right/tv evangelicals, and they are very much associated with Republicans, right?
religious right, yes, clearly; TV evangelicals i think are more mixed

Plutarch;5109222 said:
Ok, there are big-name black churches in America, but I don't see them actively endorsing either party like the religious right does right?
really?

 
I make sure I vote every election and especially the local level and the state level. Those are the two most important elections, that effect everyone day to day.
 
Captain SmackaNicca;5113017 said:
I thought I'd share this little gem. For those that wonder what's wrong with our country, just look at this

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I'm sorry but this shit is comedy. I hope this is just a cluster ohio. this shit is sad. I thought the south was bad
 
Truth Writer;5117520 said:
Voted. Voted for Dr. Stein of the Green Party. Loved her economic plan and plan on student loan bailout.

props for looking else where for a change, people ain't gonna vote for stein, but that's a good look.


and so it begins.
 
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Perusing the threads on this topic here and elsewhere, I was struck—as others were—by the resemblance to the arguments I myself advanced in 2000—back when I was the sanctimonious twit saying that there wasn’t a dime’s worth of difference between Bush and Gore. I was wrong. I learned my lesson. In my own defense, all I can say is that the consequences of my casting one of the 1,784 votes in Florida that was the official margin of difference between Bush and Gore were unimaginable at the time, at least to me.

And I’ve regretted it ever since and will until the day I die. Seriously. I number that vote among the worst things I’ve ever done as a human being on this planet, even though I’ve done more stupid and mean things than I care to remember, and despite the fact that my motives in that case were fairly pure.

I don’t expect my fessing up to this and saying I learned my lesson and regret my third party vote in 2000 will change anyone’s mind who is contemplating a similar move in 2012. It’s not only that I remember well my own self-righteousness 12 years ago, though I do. It’s that anyone who can’t draw the blindingly obvious lesson from that debacle—which isn’t exactly ancient history—is probably just not persuadable.

So what should the disaffected liberal do? Well, sack up, for one thing: Ridicule from someone on a blog isn’t exactly a Hellfire missile up the poop chute. Advocate for your goddamn position with facts and figures—at the grassroots level—even if someone is mean to you on a blog! Persuade the people who don’t currently give a shit, which is, sadly, most of the American public. Get involved in politics at the local level, where your voice is potentially louder. All these are good and worthy goals.

Empowering politicians who think the US isn’t sufficiently aligned with the Likud Party in Israel isn’t a good and worthy goal. It wasn’t in 2000, and it isn’t today. Your actions have consequences. Own them. And for Christ’s sake, quit whining about it.
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2012/10/01/one-in-1784/

"I think the Weimar Republic collapsed...because there were not enough citizens. That's the lesson I have learned. Citizens cannot leave politics just to politicians." - Günter Grass

"But attempts at self-government, imperfect and riddled with failure as history has shown them to be, demand serious adult thinking. The "lesser of two evils" political options that these people incessantly complain about are an existential fact of politics, just as many of our most important personal decisions in life boil down to choosing the lesser evil. We might as well wonder why man was born to suffer and die.

I have written elsewhere how the reactionary right and its rich contributors had mentally seceded from the Third French Republic and doomed it to defeat, occupation, and a sordid regime at Vichy. The parallels with some of our own seceding plutocracy are uncomfortable. But it was the case that many French citizens of the left and center also became disaffected from the republic. If the regime is corrupt and the process is rigged, why bother participating? Many American progressives are similarly infected with a kind of facile despair to the point where they confuse half a loaf with no bread. But citizenship demands that you get your hands dirty and consent to compromises that are sometimes repellent. In 28 years on Capitol Hill, I did not see a foreign policy carried out by presidents of either party that did not have elements that were morally repugnant, fraudulent, hypocritical, or all three. Citizens must get their hands dirty nevertheless. The alternative is to cease to be a citizen and let others do the work. I am certain they would be happy to oblige.

The most compelling argument to support Obama has nothing directly to do with him or his performance in office, but goes to the heart of what self-government is supposed to mean."
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics...for-obama-and-against-liberal-despair/264465/

Obama is Bad on Civil Liberties, But Romney Would Be Much Worse

"If you don’t understand the Fundamental Inequality of Politics: Bad > Worse, you’re just too damn dumb to vote"

 
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waterproof;482690 said:
DO YOUR FAITH COMES IN WHEN YOU ARE VOTING ON AN ISSUE and talk about your local, state elections and the candidates that will effect your community, local. state.

I came from a family that believes in voting, and we grew up being taught how important voting is because my grandparents from the south i am talking about born in the late 1900's and early 20's on my mom side so they went through some shit.

Civil Rights was real big on my mom side, education, starting your own business because they was business owners and land owners. I remember my great aunt used to call my mother every election to make sure she voted.

but that's not the only reason why i vote the other reasons is to show respect to my ancestors, there are people who i do not know but was killed, lynched, beat, humiliated, terrorize for me to vote so to show respect to my elders before me, i vote to let them know that what they did for us as a people was not in vain.

when i was younger i used to believe that bullshit that my vote dont count that there are people controlling shit.

what a bunch of bullshit, ON A LOCAL LEVEL i KNOW DAMN SURE THAT MY VOTE FUCKIN COUNTS, YOU NIGGAS THAT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE Judicial SYSTEM, well that's what your ass get because every two years there's are laws that you have to vote on, you vote for Judges on the courts, vote on school issues, vote on taxes, and vote on LAWS.

YOUR VOTE FUCKING COUNTS and if your county pass a law against your ass then you deserve what you get for not voting.

i started voting when i was 18 and i only missed one state. local election.

THIS LAW RIGHT HERE THAT MEANS ALOT , 3 Strikes law needs to be re-write and i am voting YES on PROP 36, it's a start but no the end of all to make sure the 3 strike law will only be for serious violent offenders, killers, rapist, kidnappers, gang bangers who murder ect......

California Proposition 36, Changes in the "Three Strikes" Law (2012)

Proposition 36

Quick stats

Type: State statute

Referred by: Petition signatures

Topic: Law enforcement

Status: On the ballot

Contents

1 Election results

2 Text of measure

2.1 Title

2.2 Summary

2.3 Fiscal impact

3 Support

3.1 Supporters

3.2 Arguments in favor

3.3 Donors

4 Opposition

4.1 Opponents

4.2 Arguments against

4.3 Donors

5 Editorial opinion

5.1 "Yes on 36"

5.2 "No on 36"

6 Polling information

7 Path to the ballot

8 External links

9 References

Proposition 36, a Change in the "Three Strikes Law" Initiative, is on the November 6, 2012 ballot as an initiated state statute.

If approved, Proposition 36 will modify elements of California's "Three Strikes" Law, approved by the state's voters in 1994. In 2004, voters rejected Proposition 66, which like the 2012 measure was an attempt to change some aspects of the original "Three Strikes" Law.

Proposition 36, specifically, will if enacted:

Revise the three strikes law to impose life sentence only when the new felony conviction is "serious or violent".

Authorize re-sentencing for offenders currently serving life sentences if their third strike conviction was not serious or violent and if the judge determines that the re-sentence does not pose unreasonable risk to public safety.

Continue to impose a life sentence penalty if the third strike conviction was for "certain non-serious, non-violent sex or drug offenses or involved firearm possession".

Maintain the life sentence penalty for felons with "non-serious, non-violent third strike if prior convictions were for rape, murder, or child molestation."

If Proposition 36 is approved by voters, approximately 3,000 convicted felons who are currently serving life terms under the Three Strikes law, whose third strike conviction was for a nonviolent crime, will be able to petition the court for a new, reduced, sentence. Reducing the sentences of these current prisoners could result in saving the state somewhere between $150 to $200 million a year.

Altogether, about 8,800 prisoners are currently serving life terms in California prisons under the 1994 law.[4]

24 states have a "Three Strikes"-type law.

O.K. lets see if your vote counts, what type of system is the Local/State/Federal-Government of The United States of America?
 
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janklow;5112304 said:
Plutarch;5109222 said:
I don't know man. Sometimes you seem so sarcastic and dry that I can't ever tell whether you're being serious or not/facetious. That post is not only the one btw.
welcome to the internet

no nigga, more like welcome to janklow and his never ending sarcasm. no one else on this site makes it his job to be so caustic everytime he posts.

janklow;5112304 said:
Plutarch;5109222 said:
Not only do I have to figure out if you're being serious, I gotta figure out where you live too? Everything's a mystery with you man.
still not understanding what the hell is going on here

was just a bad joke. was just being stupid.

janklow;5112304 said:
Plutarch;5109222 said:
And what will be the prize for finding out the city/town in Maryland that you live in?
so i'm pretty sure no one cares about that AND that you don't have to wait very long to receive a prize of "nothing"

again was just being stupid/jocular. but why so serious?

janklow;5112304 said:
Plutarch;5109222 said:
And by "good Christian", I generally mean a follower of the religious right/tv evangelicals, and they are very much associated with Republicans, right?
religious right, yes, clearly; TV evangelicals i think are more mixed

ok, yeah technically maybe. so let's just say the tv evangelicals from the religious right then.

janklow;5112304 said:
Plutarch;5109222 said:
Ok, there are big-name black churches in America, but I don't see them actively endorsing either party like the religious right does right?
really?

that "right?" was not rhetorical btw. that was an honest question. i honestly am not familiar with black churches actively and publicly endorsing obama like the religious right is doing with romney. some are even disturbed by obama's support of gays and gay marriage.
 
rapluva;5118321 said:
waterproof;482690 said:
DO YOUR FAITH COMES IN WHEN YOU ARE VOTING ON AN ISSUE and talk about your local, state elections and the candidates that will effect your community, local. state.

I came from a family that believes in voting, and we grew up being taught how important voting is because my grandparents from the south i am talking about born in the late 1900's and early 20's on my mom side so they went through some shit.

Civil Rights was real big on my mom side, education, starting your own business because they was business owners and land owners. I remember my great aunt used to call my mother every election to make sure she voted.

but that's not the only reason why i vote the other reasons is to show respect to my ancestors, there are people who i do not know but was killed, lynched, beat, humiliated, terrorize for me to vote so to show respect to my elders before me, i vote to let them know that what they did for us as a people was not in vain.

when i was younger i used to believe that bullshit that my vote dont count that there are people controlling shit.

what a bunch of bullshit, ON A LOCAL LEVEL i KNOW DAMN SURE THAT MY VOTE FUCKIN COUNTS, YOU NIGGAS THAT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE Judicial SYSTEM, well that's what your ass get because every two years there's are laws that you have to vote on, you vote for Judges on the courts, vote on school issues, vote on taxes, and vote on LAWS.

YOUR VOTE FUCKING COUNTS and if your county pass a law against your ass then you deserve what you get for not voting.

i started voting when i was 18 and i only missed one state. local election.

THIS LAW RIGHT HERE THAT MEANS ALOT , 3 Strikes law needs to be re-write and i am voting YES on PROP 36, it's a start but no the end of all to make sure the 3 strike law will only be for serious violent offenders, killers, rapist, kidnappers, gang bangers who murder ect......

California Proposition 36, Changes in the "Three Strikes" Law (2012)

Proposition 36

Quick stats

Type: State statute

Referred by: Petition signatures

Topic: Law enforcement

Status: On the ballot

Contents

1 Election results

2 Text of measure

2.1 Title

2.2 Summary

2.3 Fiscal impact

3 Support

3.1 Supporters

3.2 Arguments in favor

3.3 Donors

4 Opposition

4.1 Opponents

4.2 Arguments against

4.3 Donors

5 Editorial opinion

5.1 "Yes on 36"

5.2 "No on 36"

6 Polling information

7 Path to the ballot

8 External links

9 References

Proposition 36, a Change in the "Three Strikes Law" Initiative, is on the November 6, 2012 ballot as an initiated state statute.

If approved, Proposition 36 will modify elements of California's "Three Strikes" Law, approved by the state's voters in 1994. In 2004, voters rejected Proposition 66, which like the 2012 measure was an attempt to change some aspects of the original "Three Strikes" Law.

Proposition 36, specifically, will if enacted:

Revise the three strikes law to impose life sentence only when the new felony conviction is "serious or violent".

Authorize re-sentencing for offenders currently serving life sentences if their third strike conviction was not serious or violent and if the judge determines that the re-sentence does not pose unreasonable risk to public safety.

Continue to impose a life sentence penalty if the third strike conviction was for "certain non-serious, non-violent sex or drug offenses or involved firearm possession".

Maintain the life sentence penalty for felons with "non-serious, non-violent third strike if prior convictions were for rape, murder, or child molestation."

If Proposition 36 is approved by voters, approximately 3,000 convicted felons who are currently serving life terms under the Three Strikes law, whose third strike conviction was for a nonviolent crime, will be able to petition the court for a new, reduced, sentence. Reducing the sentences of these current prisoners could result in saving the state somewhere between $150 to $200 million a year.

Altogether, about 8,800 prisoners are currently serving life terms in California prisons under the 1994 law.[4]

24 states have a "Three Strikes"-type law.

O.K. lets see if your vote counts, what type of system is the Local/State/Federal-Government of The United States of America?

yeah we will see if my vote counts let you know in the morning

 
Plutarch;5120371 said:
no nigga, more like welcome to janklow and his never ending sarcasm. no one else on this site makes it his job to be so caustic everytime he posts.
okay, fine, welcome to the Social Lounge specifically

Plutarch;5120371 said:
that "right?" was not rhetorical btw. that was an honest question. i honestly am not familiar with black churches actively and publicly endorsing obama like the religious right is doing with romney. some are even disturbed by obama's support of gays and gay marriage.
well, i suppose i would like to see a black church that's anti-gay marriage and yet does not support Obama

 
rapluva;5118321 said:
waterproof;482690 said:
DO YOUR FAITH COMES IN WHEN YOU ARE VOTING ON AN ISSUE and talk about your local, state elections and the candidates that will effect your community, local. state.

I came from a family that believes in voting, and we grew up being taught how important voting is because my grandparents from the south i am talking about born in the late 1900's and early 20's on my mom side so they went through some shit.

Civil Rights was real big on my mom side, education, starting your own business because they was business owners and land owners. I remember my great aunt used to call my mother every election to make sure she voted.

but that's not the only reason why i vote the other reasons is to show respect to my ancestors, there are people who i do not know but was killed, lynched, beat, humiliated, terrorize for me to vote so to show respect to my elders before me, i vote to let them know that what they did for us as a people was not in vain.

when i was younger i used to believe that bullshit that my vote dont count that there are people controlling shit.

what a bunch of bullshit, ON A LOCAL LEVEL i KNOW DAMN SURE THAT MY VOTE FUCKIN COUNTS, YOU NIGGAS THAT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE Judicial SYSTEM, well that's what your ass get because every two years there's are laws that you have to vote on, you vote for Judges on the courts, vote on school issues, vote on taxes, and vote on LAWS.

YOUR VOTE FUCKING COUNTS and if your county pass a law against your ass then you deserve what you get for not voting.

i started voting when i was 18 and i only missed one state. local election.

THIS LAW RIGHT HERE THAT MEANS ALOT , 3 Strikes law needs to be re-write and i am voting YES on PROP 36, it's a start but no the end of all to make sure the 3 strike law will only be for serious violent offenders, killers, rapist, kidnappers, gang bangers who murder ect......

California Proposition 36, Changes in the "Three Strikes" Law (2012)

Proposition 36

Quick stats

Type: State statute

Referred by: Petition signatures

Topic: Law enforcement

Status: On the ballot

Contents

1 Election results

2 Text of measure

2.1 Title

2.2 Summary

2.3 Fiscal impact

3 Support

3.1 Supporters

3.2 Arguments in favor

3.3 Donors

4 Opposition

4.1 Opponents

4.2 Arguments against

4.3 Donors

5 Editorial opinion

5.1 "Yes on 36"

5.2 "No on 36"

6 Polling information

7 Path to the ballot

8 External links

9 References

Proposition 36, a Change in the "Three Strikes Law" Initiative, is on the November 6, 2012 ballot as an initiated state statute.

If approved, Proposition 36 will modify elements of California's "Three Strikes" Law, approved by the state's voters in 1994. In 2004, voters rejected Proposition 66, which like the 2012 measure was an attempt to change some aspects of the original "Three Strikes" Law.

Proposition 36, specifically, will if enacted:

Revise the three strikes law to impose life sentence only when the new felony conviction is "serious or violent".

Authorize re-sentencing for offenders currently serving life sentences if their third strike conviction was not serious or violent and if the judge determines that the re-sentence does not pose unreasonable risk to public safety.

Continue to impose a life sentence penalty if the third strike conviction was for "certain non-serious, non-violent sex or drug offenses or involved firearm possession".

Maintain the life sentence penalty for felons with "non-serious, non-violent third strike if prior convictions were for rape, murder, or child molestation."

If Proposition 36 is approved by voters, approximately 3,000 convicted felons who are currently serving life terms under the Three Strikes law, whose third strike conviction was for a nonviolent crime, will be able to petition the court for a new, reduced, sentence. Reducing the sentences of these current prisoners could result in saving the state somewhere between $150 to $200 million a year.

Altogether, about 8,800 prisoners are currently serving life terms in California prisons under the 1994 law.[4]

24 states have a "Three Strikes"-type law.

O.K. lets see if your vote counts, what type of system is the Local/State/Federal-Government of The United States of America?

@rapluva well it look like my voted counted Proposition 30, 31, 32, 33, 35, 36 all passed and my local council woman who was outspent by Karl Rove machine won.

like i said to make a change starts with the community and local, state election n grass roots in the community you think otherwise so fuckin what, i been off that shit when i got of age....

 
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waterproof;5124721 said:
rapluva;5118321 said:
waterproof;482690 said:
DO YOUR FAITH COMES IN WHEN YOU ARE VOTING ON AN ISSUE and talk about your local, state elections and the candidates that will effect your community, local. state.

I came from a family that believes in voting, and we grew up being taught how important voting is because my grandparents from the south i am talking about born in the late 1900's and early 20's on my mom side so they went through some shit.

Civil Rights was real big on my mom side, education, starting your own business because they was business owners and land owners. I remember my great aunt used to call my mother every election to make sure she voted.

but that's not the only reason why i vote the other reasons is to show respect to my ancestors, there are people who i do not know but was killed, lynched, beat, humiliated, terrorize for me to vote so to show respect to my elders before me, i vote to let them know that what they did for us as a people was not in vain.

when i was younger i used to believe that bullshit that my vote dont count that there are people controlling shit.

what a bunch of bullshit, ON A LOCAL LEVEL i KNOW DAMN SURE THAT MY VOTE FUCKIN COUNTS, YOU NIGGAS THAT COMPLAIN ABOUT THE Judicial SYSTEM, well that's what your ass get because every two years there's are laws that you have to vote on, you vote for Judges on the courts, vote on school issues, vote on taxes, and vote on LAWS.

YOUR VOTE FUCKING COUNTS and if your county pass a law against your ass then you deserve what you get for not voting.

i started voting when i was 18 and i only missed one state. local election.

THIS LAW RIGHT HERE THAT MEANS ALOT , 3 Strikes law needs to be re-write and i am voting YES on PROP 36, it's a start but no the end of all to make sure the 3 strike law will only be for serious violent offenders, killers, rapist, kidnappers, gang bangers who murder ect......

California Proposition 36, Changes in the "Three Strikes" Law (2012)

Proposition 36

Quick stats

Type: State statute

Referred by: Petition signatures

Topic: Law enforcement

Status: On the ballot

Contents

1 Election results

2 Text of measure

2.1 Title

2.2 Summary

2.3 Fiscal impact

3 Support

3.1 Supporters

3.2 Arguments in favor

3.3 Donors

4 Opposition

4.1 Opponents

4.2 Arguments against

4.3 Donors

5 Editorial opinion

5.1 "Yes on 36"

5.2 "No on 36"

6 Polling information

7 Path to the ballot

8 External links

9 References

Proposition 36, a Change in the "Three Strikes Law" Initiative, is on the November 6, 2012 ballot as an initiated state statute.

If approved, Proposition 36 will modify elements of California's "Three Strikes" Law, approved by the state's voters in 1994. In 2004, voters rejected Proposition 66, which like the 2012 measure was an attempt to change some aspects of the original "Three Strikes" Law.

Proposition 36, specifically, will if enacted:

Revise the three strikes law to impose life sentence only when the new felony conviction is "serious or violent".

Authorize re-sentencing for offenders currently serving life sentences if their third strike conviction was not serious or violent and if the judge determines that the re-sentence does not pose unreasonable risk to public safety.

Continue to impose a life sentence penalty if the third strike conviction was for "certain non-serious, non-violent sex or drug offenses or involved firearm possession".

Maintain the life sentence penalty for felons with "non-serious, non-violent third strike if prior convictions were for rape, murder, or child molestation."

If Proposition 36 is approved by voters, approximately 3,000 convicted felons who are currently serving life terms under the Three Strikes law, whose third strike conviction was for a nonviolent crime, will be able to petition the court for a new, reduced, sentence. Reducing the sentences of these current prisoners could result in saving the state somewhere between $150 to $200 million a year.

Altogether, about 8,800 prisoners are currently serving life terms in California prisons under the 1994 law.[4]

24 states have a "Three Strikes"-type law.

O.K. lets see if your vote counts, what type of system is the Local/State/Federal-Government of The United States of America?

@rapluva well it look like my voted counted Proposition 30, 31, 32, 33, 35, 36 all passed and my local council woman who was outspent by Karl Rove machine won.

like i said to make a change starts with the community and local, state election n grass roots in the community you think otherwise so fuckin what, i been off that shit when i got of age....

Y didn't U answer my ?
 
@rapluva fuck outta here with that bullshit, "Y didn't U answer my ?" nigga because i know niggas like you, i already got into with you in the R&R about Septuagint, I know how you work, you look for cop outs and loop holes.

So let's get to the meat and potatoes and we can get to the many loop holes that you want to discuss later, lol

see i deal with the truth and facts and not know made up hypothetical godlike productions bullshit.

now my truth and truth that it is, my vote counts, i have proof and it's manifest into reality.

you say my vote dont count not in those words but dont be pussy that what you was getting at but didnt have the balls to state what you feel.

or if you want to go with what you post you said let's see if my vote counts and by the results my votes count.

now SHOW ME PROOF THAT MY VOTES DONT COUNT, if you cant then shut the fuck up
 
waterproof;5126157 said:
@rapluva fuck outta here with that bullshit, "Y didn't U answer my ?" nigga because i know niggas like you, i already got into with you in the R&R about Septuagint, I know how you work, you look for cop outs and loop holes.

U didn't proove me wrong THEN, or NOW, answer my ? What type of Government is USA that WAZ my question, and in the R&R u again prooved u don't know Scripture, "ANGELS CAN'T/ DIDN'T/DON'T create and u COULD NOT show where they could, and STILL CAN'T, we can go back to the very posts if ya want to homie, I have NOTHING to hide.
So let's get to the meat and potatoes and we can get to the many loop holes that you want to discuss later, lol

see i deal with the truth and facts and not know made up hypothetical godlike productions bullshit.

now my truth and truth that it is, my vote counts, i have proof and it's manifest into reality.

you say my vote dont count not in those words but dont be pussy that what you was getting at but didnt have the balls to state what you feel.

or if you want to go with what you post you said let's see if my vote counts and by the results my votes count.

now SHOW ME PROOF THAT MY VOTES DONT COUNT, if you cant then shut the fuck up

Answer the ?

 
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that's what i thought???? a coward that talks shit and cant back it up, fuck outta here chump.

Do you know what type of system is local, state and federal goverment, no shit you hellenist greek jew, i know what it is and what in the fuck it go to do with my vote not being counted.

that's what i thought not a damn fucking thing

fake ass, again i deal with truth and reality shows if your truth is the truth, basic knowledge, now if you cant come up with facts then you just spewing shit that falls on the deaf ears
 
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