ARE YOU GOING TO VOTE (Why or Why Not you Vote)and what propositions and candidate's you voting for

[waterproof]

to touch on @Plutarch and @desterian10 on @kingblaze84 as an independent voter i have to agree with the two on it being a wasted vote.

The point is let's be realistic the vote is not going to count and will not change the outcome of one of the 2 candidates winning the election. The most effective way for us indepedent voters to make a statement and have a chance of winning is finding a independent candidate that's running in school, local and state elections....As here in california the green party won some elections for school board and city council, that's a start.

and we should come together and get them on the big stage to be including at the presidental debates, I have vote for a green, libertarian, republican and democrat before at the state and local elections but a stage big as this with the stakes this high, i will not go third. I gave Romeny a open ear and only agree with him on 2 things that caught my ear as a independent but i cant vote for him because he have no back bone and do not know what the hell he really standing for......

so i am going for OBAMA at least i know what i'm going to get

 

[Plutarch]

to touch on @Plutarch and @desterian10 on @kingblaze84 as an independent voter i have to agree with the two on it being a wasted vote.

The point is let's be realistic the vote is not going to count and will not change the outcome of one of the 2 candidates winning the election. The most effective way for us indepedent voters to make a statement and have a chance of winning is finding a independent candidate that's running in school, local and state elections....As here in california the green party won some elections for school board and city council, that's a start.

and we should come together and get them on the big stage to be including at the presidental debates, I have vote for a green, libertarian, republican and democrat before and state and local elections but a stage big ass this with the stakes this high, i will not go third. A gave Romeny a open ear and only agree with him on 2 things that caught my ear as a independent but i cant vote for him because he have no back bone and do not know what the hell he really standing for......

so i am going for OBAMA at least i know what i'm going to get

fair enough. and i mostly agree.

i could say more, but i'm not trying to split hairs. and i think that we all have already spoken on this issue to death in that one thread.

 

[desertrain10]

Oh yeah, I also voted Democratic across the Congressional board. But I still wish I would've done more research on other candidates/parties.

I'm voting for either Roseanne from the Green Party or Gary Johnson from the Libertarian Party for President. On the local elections, I'll be voting mostly with Democrats and Independents that support the legalization of medical marijuana and those who want to end the war in Afghanistan immediately, still doing research on who those people are.

another wasted vote. smh.....but i guess your making a statement, right? lol. don't get me wrong, the third party is a noble idea just not a workable one at this time. you may not be a big fan of obama or mittens but voting 3rd party is exactly the same as casting your vote for the major party candidate you like the least. and i promise you mittens is not obama, he's worst....

Heh this again. I just can't cosign this or this kind of mindset. If someone doesn't believe in either Democratic or Republican candidate but believes in another candidate, then he should have the right to vote for that candidate without being criticized. The point of voting is simply to choose a candidate whom you feel best represents your ideal America right? Who is to say that that particular candidate is going to be Republican or Democrat for everyone?

I myself was close to not voting for Obama because I think that his foreign policy is horrendous (which is probably why kingblaze is not voting for him, and I dont blame him). But since I like his other policies, I didn't have too much problem voting for him. But I wasn't going to vote for him just because I don't like Romney. That's weak imo. As weak as all these white racists voting for Romney because they hate Obama. Plus, something tells me that you're calling his vote a wasted opportunity just because he's not voting for your candidate. I doubt that you would be as concerned if he was considering voting for Romney. And who's to say that he's wasn't? Hating on third party voters because you can't use them as a means to your preferred end is pretty disingenuous to me.

/Rant.

lol... unclench bruh

i am nothing more than a realist

as i previously stated a third party is a noble idea just not a workable one at this time.... voting 3rd party is exactly the same as not voting, or voting for the candidate that represents ur interest the least

vote for obama or by all means vote for romney....just make sure you vote and vote responsibly..

*shrugs*

 

[GodNThaBuild'n]

Which ever way you vote America will still be broke

 

[kingblaze84]

I'm voting for either Roseanne from the Green Party or Gary Johnson from the Libertarian Party for President. On the local elections, I'll be voting mostly with Democrats and Independents that support the legalization of medical marijuana and those who want to end the war in Afghanistan immediately, still doing research on who those people are.

@kingblaze84 what issues does Roseanne and Gary Johnson that caught your attention that deserve your vote and who are you leaning towards right now and why?

Both Roseanne and Gary Johnson are against the war in Afghanistan and want it ended quickly, and their support of legalizing marijuana is enough to grab my vote. I'd say I'm leaning towards Roseanne because she was never a Republican, and Republicans are rarely good in my book, although I do have respect for Ron Paul. But those two issues are clinchers for me, and that's why I'm gona stick to voting 3rd party.

 

[kingblaze84]

I'm voting for either Roseanne from the Green Party or Gary Johnson from the Libertarian Party for President. On the local elections, I'll be voting mostly with Democrats and Independents that support the legalization of medical marijuana and those who want to end the war in Afghanistan immediately, still doing research on who those people are.

another wasted vote. smh.....but i guess your making a statement, right? lol. don't get me wrong, the third party is a noble idea just not a workable one at this time. you may not be a big fan of obama or mittens but voting 3rd party is exactly the same as casting your vote for the major party candidate you like the least. and i promise you mittens is not obama, he's worst....

anyways I 'm from michigan and i'm voting for obama and democrats own ballot....

i'm also voting in favor of prop 2 which would amend Michigan's constitution to grant public and private sector employees the right to organize and collectively bargain through unions.

voting no on prop 1, michigan does not need fascist Emergency managers to be appointed by a governor we may not even have vote for to take over our local governments and overthrow our elected officials. fuck dat...

yes on prop 3, which requires electric utilities to provide at least 25% of their annual retail sales of electricity from renewable energy sources, which are wind, solar, biomass, and hydropower, by 2025.

voting no on prop 5. if passed it locks in current tax rates for the rich and makes it impossible to raise their taxes for new revenue....

voting yes on prop 6. then it would require a statewide and local vote before any new bridges and tunnels could be built between Michigan and Canada

I agree Romney is worse than Obama, but my conscience won't allow me to vote for Obama either. My vote may be tiny in the long run but Democrats at one point were a 3rd party too....after 2010, I knew I'd never vote for Obama again, I'm just too disappointed in him. You'll be happy election day I'm sure though, I personally will look at it as the day nothing changed in the country much for the better.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

I'm voting for either Roseanne from the Green Party or Gary Johnson from the Libertarian Party for President. On the local elections, I'll be voting mostly with Democrats and Independents that support the legalization of medical marijuana and those who want to end the war in Afghanistan immediately, still doing research on who those people are.

another wasted vote. smh.....but i guess your making a statement, right? lol. don't get me wrong, the third party is a noble idea just not a workable one at this time. you may not be a big fan of obama or mittens but voting 3rd party is exactly the same as casting your vote for the major party candidate you like the least. and i promise you mittens is not obama, he's worst....

anyways I 'm from michigan and i'm voting for obama and democrats own ballot....

i'm also voting in favor of prop 2 which would amend Michigan's constitution to grant public and private sector employees the right to organize and collectively bargain through unions.

voting no on prop 1, michigan does not need fascist Emergency managers to be appointed by a governor we may not even have vote for to take over our local governments and overthrow our elected officials. fuck dat...

yes on prop 3, which requires electric utilities to provide at least 25% of their annual retail sales of electricity from renewable energy sources, which are wind, solar, biomass, and hydropower, by 2025.

voting no on prop 5. if passed it locks in current tax rates for the rich and makes it impossible to raise their taxes for new revenue....

voting yes on prop 6. then it would require a statewide and local vote before any new bridges and tunnels could be built between Michigan and Canada

I agree Romney is worse than Obama, but my conscience won't allow me to vote for Obama either. My vote may be tiny in the long run but Democrats at one point were a 3rd party too....after 2010, I knew I'd never vote for Obama again, I'm just too disappointed in him. You'll be happy election day I'm sure though, I personally will look at it as the day nothing changed in the country much for the better.

I thought you were done with him in 2008 before he was sworn in? The democrats at one point being a third party, weren't a weak party that didn't know how to put the national spotlight on their candidates. They actually had a chance in hell. Also, Democrats and Republicans both came from older versions of themselves, Democratic-Republicans and Whigs. Before them were the National Republicans and Federalist. There was Teddy Roosevelt, but he still came out of a major party and already had national recognition with a far greater drive. In general, third parties have always been fringe including TDR whom was an anomaly.
http://communities.washingtontimes..../30/third-party-fever-and-historical-reality/

http://www.edgate.com/elections/inactive/the_parties/

 

[kingblaze84]

I'm voting for either Roseanne from the Green Party or Gary Johnson from the Libertarian Party for President. On the local elections, I'll be voting mostly with Democrats and Independents that support the legalization of medical marijuana and those who want to end the war in Afghanistan immediately, still doing research on who those people are.

another wasted vote. smh.....but i guess your making a statement, right? lol. don't get me wrong, the third party is a noble idea just not a workable one at this time. you may not be a big fan of obama or mittens but voting 3rd party is exactly the same as casting your vote for the major party candidate you like the least. and i promise you mittens is not obama, he's worst....

anyways I 'm from michigan and i'm voting for obama and democrats own ballot....

i'm also voting in favor of prop 2 which would amend Michigan's constitution to grant public and private sector employees the right to organize and collectively bargain through unions.

voting no on prop 1, michigan does not need fascist Emergency managers to be appointed by a governor we may not even have vote for to take over our local governments and overthrow our elected officials. fuck dat...

yes on prop 3, which requires electric utilities to provide at least 25% of their annual retail sales of electricity from renewable energy sources, which are wind, solar, biomass, and hydropower, by 2025.

voting no on prop 5. if passed it locks in current tax rates for the rich and makes it impossible to raise their taxes for new revenue....

voting yes on prop 6. then it would require a statewide and local vote before any new bridges and tunnels could be built between Michigan and Canada

I agree Romney is worse than Obama, but my conscience won't allow me to vote for Obama either. My vote may be tiny in the long run but Democrats at one point were a 3rd party too....after 2010, I knew I'd never vote for Obama again, I'm just too disappointed in him. You'll be happy election day I'm sure though, I personally will look at it as the day nothing changed in the country much for the better.

I thought you were done with him in 2008 before he was sworn in? The democrats at one point being a third party, weren't a weak party that didn't know how to put the national spotlight on their candidates. They actually had a chance in hell. Also, Democrats and Republicans both came from older versions of themselves, Democratic-Republicans and Whigs. Before them were the National Republicans and Federalist. There was Teddy Roosevelt, but he still came out of a major party and already had national recognition with a far greater drive. In general, third parties have always been fringe including TDR whom was an anomaly.
http://communities.washingtontimes..../30/third-party-fever-and-historical-reality/

http://www.edgate.com/elections/inactive/the_parties/

Interesting post but just so you know I actually voted for Obama in 2008, with pride and amazement he won. I remember yelling in the streets and going to my friend's house to party, drink, and smoke good weed with other Obama supporters. In 2012, no one I know is gonna celebrate Obama's victory in the same way. Most people I know who voted Obama in 2008 are either not gona vote at all or will vote 3rd party as I am. The disappointment people feel about Obama is real, notice the crowds aren't nearly as large for him this year as years past.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

I'm voting for either Roseanne from the Green Party or Gary Johnson from the Libertarian Party for President. On the local elections, I'll be voting mostly with Democrats and Independents that support the legalization of medical marijuana and those who want to end the war in Afghanistan immediately, still doing research on who those people are.

another wasted vote. smh.....but i guess your making a statement, right? lol. don't get me wrong, the third party is a noble idea just not a workable one at this time. you may not be a big fan of obama or mittens but voting 3rd party is exactly the same as casting your vote for the major party candidate you like the least. and i promise you mittens is not obama, he's worst....

anyways I 'm from michigan and i'm voting for obama and democrats own ballot....

i'm also voting in favor of prop 2 which would amend Michigan's constitution to grant public and private sector employees the right to organize and collectively bargain through unions.

voting no on prop 1, michigan does not need fascist Emergency managers to be appointed by a governor we may not even have vote for to take over our local governments and overthrow our elected officials. fuck dat...

yes on prop 3, which requires electric utilities to provide at least 25% of their annual retail sales of electricity from renewable energy sources, which are wind, solar, biomass, and hydropower, by 2025.

voting no on prop 5. if passed it locks in current tax rates for the rich and makes it impossible to raise their taxes for new revenue....

voting yes on prop 6. then it would require a statewide and local vote before any new bridges and tunnels could be built between Michigan and Canada

I agree Romney is worse than Obama, but my conscience won't allow me to vote for Obama either. My vote may be tiny in the long run but Democrats at one point were a 3rd party too....after 2010, I knew I'd never vote for Obama again, I'm just too disappointed in him. You'll be happy election day I'm sure though, I personally will look at it as the day nothing changed in the country much for the better.

I thought you were done with him in 2008 before he was sworn in? The democrats at one point being a third party, weren't a weak party that didn't know how to put the national spotlight on their candidates. They actually had a chance in hell. Also, Democrats and Republicans both came from older versions of themselves, Democratic-Republicans and Whigs. Before them were the National Republicans and Federalist. There was Teddy Roosevelt, but he still came out of a major party and already had national recognition with a far greater drive. In general, third parties have always been fringe including TDR whom was an anomaly.
http://communities.washingtontimes..../30/third-party-fever-and-historical-reality/

http://www.edgate.com/elections/inactive/the_parties/

Interesting post but just so you know I actually voted for Obama in 2008, with pride and amazement he won. I remember yelling in the streets and going to my friend's house to party, drink, and smoke good weed with other Obama supporters. In 2012, no one I know is gonna celebrate Obama's victory in the same way. Most people I know who voted Obama in 2008 are either not gona vote at all or will vote 3rd party as I am. The disappointment people feel about Obama is real, notice the crowds aren't nearly as large for him this year as years past.

Those are the people Republicans accused of looking at Obama like a Messiah. I saw a practical realistic man. You knew where he stood with the war when you cast your vote in 2008. NY doesn't require your vote anyway because most this state in large is a far less fleeting with their support.

 

[kingblaze84]

I'm voting for either Roseanne from the Green Party or Gary Johnson from the Libertarian Party for President. On the local elections, I'll be voting mostly with Democrats and Independents that support the legalization of medical marijuana and those who want to end the war in Afghanistan immediately, still doing research on who those people are.

another wasted vote. smh.....but i guess your making a statement, right? lol. don't get me wrong, the third party is a noble idea just not a workable one at this time. you may not be a big fan of obama or mittens but voting 3rd party is exactly the same as casting your vote for the major party candidate you like the least. and i promise you mittens is not obama, he's worst....

anyways I 'm from michigan and i'm voting for obama and democrats own ballot....

i'm also voting in favor of prop 2 which would amend Michigan's constitution to grant public and private sector employees the right to organize and collectively bargain through unions.

voting no on prop 1, michigan does not need fascist Emergency managers to be appointed by a governor we may not even have vote for to take over our local governments and overthrow our elected officials. fuck dat...

yes on prop 3, which requires electric utilities to provide at least 25% of their annual retail sales of electricity from renewable energy sources, which are wind, solar, biomass, and hydropower, by 2025.

voting no on prop 5. if passed it locks in current tax rates for the rich and makes it impossible to raise their taxes for new revenue....

voting yes on prop 6. then it would require a statewide and local vote before any new bridges and tunnels could be built between Michigan and Canada

I agree Romney is worse than Obama, but my conscience won't allow me to vote for Obama either. My vote may be tiny in the long run but Democrats at one point were a 3rd party too....after 2010, I knew I'd never vote for Obama again, I'm just too disappointed in him. You'll be happy election day I'm sure though, I personally will look at it as the day nothing changed in the country much for the better.

I thought you were done with him in 2008 before he was sworn in? The democrats at one point being a third party, weren't a weak party that didn't know how to put the national spotlight on their candidates. They actually had a chance in hell. Also, Democrats and Republicans both came from older versions of themselves, Democratic-Republicans and Whigs. Before them were the National Republicans and Federalist. There was Teddy Roosevelt, but he still came out of a major party and already had national recognition with a far greater drive. In general, third parties have always been fringe including TDR whom was an anomaly.
http://communities.washingtontimes..../30/third-party-fever-and-historical-reality/

http://www.edgate.com/elections/inactive/the_parties/

Interesting post but just so you know I actually voted for Obama in 2008, with pride and amazement he won. I remember yelling in the streets and going to my friend's house to party, drink, and smoke good weed with other Obama supporters. In 2012, no one I know is gonna celebrate Obama's victory in the same way. Most people I know who voted Obama in 2008 are either not gona vote at all or will vote 3rd party as I am. The disappointment people feel about Obama is real, notice the crowds aren't nearly as large for him this year as years past.

Those are the people Republicans accused of looking at Obama like a Messiah. I saw a practical realistic man. You knew where he stood with the war when you cast your vote in 2008. NY doesn't require your vote anyway because most this state in large is a far less fleeting with their support.

No I did not look at Obama as a messiah, I just expected the man I voted for to bring in solid change and have open minded policies. As far as the wars, he said he'd end the war in Iraq within 6 months and it took him 2 years. He said he would expand the war in Afghanistan yes, but I had no idea he meant until 2025 (don't give me that 2014 bullshit, we will have troops fighting way longer than that). Worst than all this is when Obama said he beieved medical marijuana should be a states' right, but he than proceeded to crack down harder on medical marijuana than even George W did LOL.......maybe I was naive, but I expected real change. It's okay, I have taken it as a lesson learned.

 

[Plutarch]

Which ever way you vote America will still be broke

True, but depending on who you vote for, the debt situation may get better and/or be on its way to getting better years or decades from now. So I think that it matters. Issues like the national debt take years of planning and execution to see results.

I think that this is what turns a lot of people away from voting. They want to see immediate results, but that's impossible. You have to patiently vote consistently throughout time. There's no way that Obama can undo the bad that Bush (and others) have done in just 3-4 years. A president is only in office eight years max.

 

[kingblaze84]

Which ever way you vote America will still be broke

True, but depending on who you vote for, the debt situation may get better and/or be on its way to getting better years or decades from now. So I think that it matters. Issues like the national debt take years of planning and execution to see results.

I think that this is what turns a lot of people away from voting. They want to see immediate results, but that's impossible. You have to patiently vote consistently throughout time. There's no way that Obama can undo the bad that Bush (and others) have done in just 3-4 years. A president is only in office eight years max.

Understandable but when Obama expanded many of Bush's policies, it disgusted a lot of people. This is why the race is so close and not a blowout for Obama like 2008.

 

[Captain SmackaNicca]

http://act.watchdog.net/petitions/1818?share_ref=UIdkAAVRi0A

If this is true I bet the white folks will still have a excuse to vote against Obama.

 

[janklow]

^^^ why you gotta be so enigmatic??

i don't even understand what about that post that was unclear

Ok so who are you gona vote for again?

you really care that deeply about who i am voting for in my state and county elections? well, okay, i will indulge you (theatrically unfolds ballot to address pertinent offices and referendums):

--voting Republican for US Senate/House of Representatives; this will not matter because the Democrat incumbents will have dominating victories (Senate in particular is probably going to see the Republican get killed by a combination of this being a severely Democratic state and an independent former Republican jumping into the race spending millions for some reason);

--voting yes on 3 because this state has been having a rash of sitting politicians being convicted of crimes and then REFUSING to leave office;

--voting no on 4 because i object to the manner in which it is phrased (seriously);

--voting no on 5 because i object to the shameless gerrymandering going on in this state currently;

--voting yes on 6 because i could care less if gay people want to get married;

--voting no on 7 because fuck this gambling expansion bullshit and the lying, hypocrite politicians that are trying to push it through.

if you can guess what state i reside in based on this list, you win the prize of ... nothing. thanks for playing!

it also turns out that "Santa Claus" is a registered Independent write-in candidate for president. maybe i will vote for him!

But imo 1. Republicans generally exploit Christianity. 2. Republicans are hypocritical/piss-poor Christians.

why do you think this is limited to Republicans?

another wasted vote. smh.....but i guess your making a statement, right? lol. don't get me wrong, the third party is a noble idea just not a workable one at this time. you may not be a big fan of obama or mittens but voting 3rd party is exactly the same as casting your vote for the major party candidate you like the least. and i promise you mittens is not obama, he's worst....

first off, you shouldn't pretend you think a third-party vote is a noble idea if you're going to laugh at him for "making a statement." if you want to denigrate the third-party voters, just be honest about it.

second, it's NOT the same thing as casting his vote for the major party candidate he likes the least. let's say he lives in a non-battleground state that's in the bag for Obama: if he votes Obama, it makes no difference and the third party gets nothing. if he votes Romney, it makes no difference and the third party gets nothing. if he votes third-party, it makes no difference BUT helps that third party keep/gain funding for future elections. oh, and if he doesn't like the Obama/Romney choice, he also doesn't have to feel like he held his nose and voted for a candidate he doesn't like because one of them is the "least bad option."

 

[atribecalledgabi]

i voted gary johnson third party (woulda voted obama but i live in california & he already has our vote regardless) because if they get like 5% of the votes they can enter in the national debates. if all the people who say they like the idea of third parties but they have no chance (which they don't) actually voted third party...it'd be a very different election season in 2-4 years. hell, if all the weeble wobble ass undecideds voted third party, same thing.

actual issues that pertain to bettering conditions for citizens would be on the table - basically all the shit that was covered in the third party debate.

 

[Plutarch]

^^^ why you gotta be so enigmatic??

i don't even understand what about that post that was unclear

I don't know man. Sometimes you seem so sarcastic and dry that I can't ever tell whether you're being serious or not/facetious. That post is not only the one btw.

if you can guess what state i reside in based on this list, you win the prize of ... nothing. thanks for playing!

You see? Again with the enigma. Not only do I have to figure out if you're being serious, I gotta figure out where you live too? Everything's a mystery with you man.

Anyways, I intially thought Chicago, but after some extensive research, I've narrowed it down to Maryland, Ohio, Orgeon, and Rhode Island. After some more detailed investigation, I've come to the conlusion that your state is Maryland. So when will I receive this invaluable prize that you speak of?

And what will be the prize for finding out the city/town in Maryland that you live in?

But imo 1. Republicans generally exploit Christianity. 2. Republicans are hypocritical/piss-poor Christians.

why do you think this is limited to Republicans?

I don't think that this is limited to Republicans. I know that others exploit Christianity as well. I was just speaking within the context of the assumption that I should vote Republican because I'm a "good Christian." And by "good Christian", I generally mean a follower of the religious right/tv evangelicals, and they are very much associated with Republicans, right? Ok, there are big-name black churches in America, but I don't see them actively endorsing either party like the religious right does right?

 

[ImTheKangRoundHere]

I heard they using tricks at the polls to prevent obama from winning.the republicans are doing everything to prevent obama from winning

 

[poindexter2]

I heard they using tricks at the polls to prevent obama from winning.the republicans are doing everything to prevent obama from winning

Yeah in Ohio they are stalling the electricians from fixing the power in some of the polling sites. The secretary of state offers "flashlights and paper ballots" as a substitute

There was a suspicious package yesterday in Orlando, FL, and people were forced to evacuate, and when they came back they didnt want to extend voting hours. Thank God that a judge stepped in

 

[Plutarch]

^^^ if that's true, then that's really just sad.

 

[janklow]

I heard they using tricks at the polls to prevent obama from winning.the republicans are doing everything to prevent obama from winning

and any day now you'll actual cite something in one of these incredibly vague posts