Are Liberals Really As Phony As They Seem, Or Do They Actually Care?

[5th Letter]

The way people are apply the word liberal in this thread is similar to how they apply gay/homosexual.

like they are a different race , when most people under the age of 40 Black or White are "Liberal".

lol a black "liberal" person also does no care about your kind of black person ? so does that mean a conservative black person cares or is genuine/not phony ?

I was specific I said white liberals.

what is the difference between a black liberal and a white liberal ?

I don't trust them because they say slick shit and plenty times they're quiet when shit affects black people.

firstly nobody owes you shit , its your duty to stand up for black people/issues/plight not white people.

second where is the proof of them be quiet when it comes to the black plight ? (i just think they don't respond in a manner that is satisfactory to some and there is no real answer to that, because even those that do get criticized lol)

now if you feel people are not doing enough thats a separate issue we can discuss this , you could also argue that some black (liberals/independents/conservatives) do nothing for themselves or others and resign themselves from doing anything because they feel by being born black and inherited history it gives them license to sit on the sidelines and point fingers, like they have earned that right because of legacy.

I think there is no satisfactory way of White people proving that they love Black people or want to help black people. Some of it is healthy skepticism from African Americans experience in this country's history but also a lot of it is Black Paranoia and conspiracy. Its the Wylie Coyote and Road Runner theory , i think on some level we like being stuck in perpetual struggle thats why when we have major bipartisan victories on racial issues we don't actually know how to acknowledge them and deal with it.

And I've notice some African Americans prefer instant gratification from white people cowering and constantly apologising that people on social media choose easy targetable topics like "cultural appropriation" to make their point.

Yikes. I literally said the type of liberals I'm talking about. Can't spell it out any simpler for you.

 

[skpjr78]

KYS if you think a democrat is going to help you. KYS, your momma and your kids if you're waiting for a white liberal to save your black ass. It's been 400+ years and the calvary of good white folks haven't shown up yet. Drink bleach and wash it down with cyanide if you're still waiting.

 

[(Nope)]

Stop being coy and I don't need random hypotheticals.

I work for an agency that serves individuals with intellectual disabilities. With the repeal of the ACA we will see a limit in funding for Money Follows the Person Demonstration Grants (MFP Grants). MFP grants allow these individuals to have access to and a choice of services that best suit their needs. Those grants are gone! But, that doesn't affect you, Hillary's lies affect you.

Then there is all this shit:

On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the DOJ’s Violence Against Women programs.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Arts.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Humanities.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Minority Business Development Agency.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Economic Development Administration.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the International Trade Administration.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Legal Services Corporation.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Environmental and Natural Resources Division of the DOJ.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Overseas Private Investment Corporation.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Electricity Deliverability and Energy Reliability.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Fossil Energy.

* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered all regulatory powers of all federal agencies frozen.

* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered the National Parks Service to stop using social media after RTing factual, side by side photos of the crowds for the 2009 and 2017 inaugurations.

* On January 20th, 2017, roughly 230 protestors were arrested in DC and face unprecedented felony riot charges. Among them were legal observers, journalists, and medics.

* On January 20th, 2017, a member of the International Workers of the World was shot in the stomach at an anti-fascist protest in Seattle. He remains in critical condition.

* On January 21st, 2017, DT brought a group of 40 cheerleaders to a meeting with the CIA to cheer for him during a speech that consisted almost entirely of framing himself as the victim of dishonest press.

* On January 21st, 2017, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer held a press conference largely to attack the press for accurately reporting the size of attendance at the inaugural festivities, saying that the inauguration had the largest audience of any in history, “period.”

* On January 22nd, 2017, White House advisor Kellyann Conway defended Spicer’s lies as “alternative facts” on national television news.

* On January 22nd, 2017, DT appeared to blow a kiss to director James Comey during a meeting with the FBI, and then opened his arms in a gesture of strange, paternal affection, before hugging him with a pat on the back.

* On January 23rd, 2017, DT reinstated the global gag order, which defunds international organizations that even mention abortion as a medical option.

* On January 23rd, 2017, Spicer said that the US will not tolerate China’s expansion onto islands in the South China Sea, essentially threatening war with China.

* On January 23rd, 2017, DT repeated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing him the popular vote.

* On January 23rd, 2017, it was announced that the man who shot the anti-fascist protester in Seattle was released without charges, despite turning himself in.

* On January 24th, 2017, Spicer reiterated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing DT the popular vote.

* On January 24th, 2017, DT tweeted a picture from his personal Twitter account of a photo he says depicts the crowd at his inauguration and will hang in the White House press room. The photo is curiously dated January 21st, 2017, the day AFTER the inauguration and the day of the Women’s March, the largest inauguration related protest in history.

* On January 24th, 2017, the EPA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to freeze all grants and contracts.

* On January 24th, 2017, the USDA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to stop publishing any papers or research. All communication with the press would also have to be authorized and vetted by the White House.

* On January 24th, 2017, HR7, a bill that would prohibit federal funding not only to abortion service providers, but to any insurance coverage, including Medicaid, that provides abortion coverage, went to the floor of the House for a vote.

* On January 24th, 2017, Director of the Department of Health and Human Service nominee Tom Price characterized federal guidelines on transgender equality as “absurd.”

* On January 24th, 2017, DT ordered the resumption of construction on the Dakota Access Pipeline, while the North Dakota state congress considers a bill that would legalize hitting and killing protestors with cars if they are on roadways.

* On January 24th, 2017, it was discovered that police officers had used confiscated cell phones to search the emails and messages of the 230 demonstrators now facing felony riot charges for protesting on January 20th, including lawyers and journalists whose email accounts contain privileged information of clients and sources.

If you plan to share, please copy and paste rather than share. You'll reach more people.

But, luckily Hillary wasn't elected. It might have offended your sensibilities.

Actually, here's a hypothetical: a fucking wolf that breathes fire and has a t-shirt on that says "I'm going to kill you" crashes into your home. You just gonna be like "oh, just give him a minute, I want to see what he's up to."

Again, Hillary at worst was a tool used for harm reduction, but you want change now. So, tell me in what ways you are actively working to effect change in your community? Outside of your community? You just not voting? Professing to care for vulnerable people and doing nothing to protect them?

This shit for me was never about how I felt about Hillary, but the damage that is going to be done. There is no silver lining to this shit for the people it affects the most. Turning back the clock on climate change, civil rights, and social services isn't empowering anybody.

Pardon the value imposition, but that shit is what politics is.

 

[Lefty_]

Generalizations are generally intellectually lazy.

 

[Go figure]

Stop being coy and I don't need random hypotheticals.

I work for an agency that serves individuals with intellectual disabilities. With the repeal of the ACA we will see a limit in funding for Money Follows the Person Demonstration Grants (MFP Grants). MFP grants allow these individuals to have access to and a choice of services that best suit their needs. Those grants are gone! But, that doesn't affect you, Hillary's lies affect you.

Then there is all this shit:

On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the DOJ’s Violence Against Women programs.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Arts.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the National Endowment for the Humanities.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Minority Business Development Agency.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Economic Development Administration.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the International Trade Administration.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Community Oriented Policing Services.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Legal Services Corporation.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Environmental and Natural Resources Division of the DOJ.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Overseas Private Investment Corporation.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Electricity Deliverability and Energy Reliability.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Energy Efficiency and Renewable Energy.

* On January 19th, 2017, DT said that he would cut funding for the Office of Fossil Energy.

* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered all regulatory powers of all federal agencies frozen.

* On January 20th, 2017, DT ordered the National Parks Service to stop using social media after RTing factual, side by side photos of the crowds for the 2009 and 2017 inaugurations.

* On January 20th, 2017, roughly 230 protestors were arrested in DC and face unprecedented felony riot charges. Among them were legal observers, journalists, and medics.

* On January 20th, 2017, a member of the International Workers of the World was shot in the stomach at an anti-fascist protest in Seattle. He remains in critical condition.

* On January 21st, 2017, DT brought a group of 40 cheerleaders to a meeting with the CIA to cheer for him during a speech that consisted almost entirely of framing himself as the victim of dishonest press.

* On January 21st, 2017, White House Press Secretary Sean Spicer held a press conference largely to attack the press for accurately reporting the size of attendance at the inaugural festivities, saying that the inauguration had the largest audience of any in history, “period.”

* On January 22nd, 2017, White House advisor Kellyann Conway defended Spicer’s lies as “alternative facts” on national television news.

* On January 22nd, 2017, DT appeared to blow a kiss to director James Comey during a meeting with the FBI, and then opened his arms in a gesture of strange, paternal affection, before hugging him with a pat on the back.

* On January 23rd, 2017, DT reinstated the global gag order, which defunds international organizations that even mention abortion as a medical option.

* On January 23rd, 2017, Spicer said that the US will not tolerate China’s expansion onto islands in the South China Sea, essentially threatening war with China.

* On January 23rd, 2017, DT repeated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing him the popular vote.

* On January 23rd, 2017, it was announced that the man who shot the anti-fascist protester in Seattle was released without charges, despite turning himself in.

* On January 24th, 2017, Spicer reiterated the lie that 3-5 million people voted “illegally” thus costing DT the popular vote.

* On January 24th, 2017, DT tweeted a picture from his personal Twitter account of a photo he says depicts the crowd at his inauguration and will hang in the White House press room. The photo is curiously dated January 21st, 2017, the day AFTER the inauguration and the day of the Women’s March, the largest inauguration related protest in history.

* On January 24th, 2017, the EPA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to freeze all grants and contracts.

* On January 24th, 2017, the USDA was ordered to stop communicating with the public through social media or the press and to stop publishing any papers or research. All communication with the press would also have to be authorized and vetted by the White House.

* On January 24th, 2017, HR7, a bill that would prohibit federal funding not only to abortion service providers, but to any insurance coverage, including Medicaid, that provides abortion coverage, went to the floor of the House for a vote.

* On January 24th, 2017, Director of the Department of Health and Human Service nominee Tom Price characterized federal guidelines on transgender equality as “absurd.”

* On January 24th, 2017, DT ordered the resumption of construction on the Dakota Access Pipeline, while the North Dakota state congress considers a bill that would legalize hitting and killing protestors with cars if they are on roadways.

* On January 24th, 2017, it was discovered that police officers had used confiscated cell phones to search the emails and messages of the 230 demonstrators now facing felony riot charges for protesting on January 20th, including lawyers and journalists whose email accounts contain privileged information of clients and sources.

If you plan to share, please copy and paste rather than share. You'll reach more people.

But, luckily Hillary wasn't elected. It might have offended your sensibilities.

Actually, here's a hypothetical: a fucking wolf that breathes fire and has a t-shirt on that says "I'm going to kill you" crashes into your home. You just gonna be like "oh, just give him a minute, I want to see what he's up to."

Again, Hillary at worst was a tool used for harm reduction, but you want change now. So, tell me in what ways you are actively working to effect change in your community? Outside of your community? You just not voting? Professing to care for vulnerable people and doing nothing to protect them?

This shit for me was never about how I felt about Hillary, but the damage that is going to be done. There is no silver lining to this shit for the people it affects the most. Turning back the clock on climate change, civil rights, and social services isn't empowering anybody.

Pardon the value imposition, but that shit is what politics is.

All u did was list a bunch of things trump did or said. Thats not what i asked for.

Also, your hypothetical is invalid.

Also, not voting for Hillary doesnt mean i support Trumps actions since his election. Cuz if i did, i probably wouldve voted for him, but i didnt.

Try again.

 

[jono]

A burqa isn't a "hat," and putting your hands on people is assault. So yeah women being assaulted for being Muslim should be a big deal.

Not as big a deal as black folks getting gunned down by the very same public servants they pay to protect them

Not even fucking close.

Its an either or situation? Idk that

 

[Go figure]

Generalizations are generally intellectually lazy.

Does that only count on here when liberals are being attacked?

Bc non voters are generalized as trump supporters.

Does it work both ways or nah?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Questions like this are stupid conceptually because they rely on the same dumbass logic that racist whites use to condemn blacks. Basically, TC is picking a large and diverse group of people, and then asking an either or questions about all of them. That's fucking dumb. There are some fake liberals and some that legitimately care about social problems including the plight of black America. Stop thinking like the people you supposedly hate.

 

[Lefty_]

Generalizations are generally intellectually lazy.

Does that only count on here when liberals are being attacked?

Bc non voters are generalized as trump supporters.

Does it work both ways or nah?

If people dug 2 layers deeper they would have more accurate analysis.

You can't have a good GPS with one satellite.

 

[Max.]

The way people are apply the word liberal in this thread is similar to how they apply gay/homosexual.

like they are a different race , when most people under the age of 40 Black or White are "Liberal".

lol a black "liberal" person also does no care about your kind of black person ? so does that mean a conservative black person cares or is genuine/not phony ?

I was specific I said white liberals.

what is the difference between a black liberal and a white liberal ?

I don't trust them because they say slick shit and plenty times they're quiet when shit affects black people.

Well with theads like these, you can imagine why some might be hesitant to speak up. Its almost a lose-lose situation.

That said, plenty of white people advocate and are marching right along with black people. Don't discredit them.

 

[(Nope)]

Stop being coy and I don't need random hypotheticals.

I work for an agency that serves individuals with intellectual disabilities. With the repeal of the ACA we will see a limit in funding for Money Follows the Person Demonstration Grants (MFP Grants). MFP grants allow these individuals to have access to and a choice of services that best suit their needs. Those grants are gone! But, that doesn't affect you, Hillary's lies affect you.

Then there is all this shit:

But, luckily Hillary wasn't elected. It might have offended your sensibilities.

Actually, here's a hypothetical: a fucking wolf that breathes fire and has a t-shirt on that says "I'm going to kill you" crashes into your home. You just gonna be like "oh, just give him a minute, I want to see what he's up to."

Again, Hillary at worst was a tool used for harm reduction, but you want change now. So, tell me in what ways you are actively working to effect change in your community? Outside of your community? You just not voting? Professing to care for vulnerable people and doing nothing to protect them?

This shit for me was never about how I felt about Hillary, but the damage that is going to be done. There is no silver lining to this shit for the people it affects the most. Turning back the clock on climate change, civil rights, and social services isn't empowering anybody.

Pardon the value imposition, but that shit is what politics is.

All u did was list a bunch of things trump did or said. Thats not what i asked for.

Also, your hypothetical is invalid.

Also, not voting for Hillary doesnt mean i support Trumps actions since his election. Cuz if i did, i probably wouldve voted for him, but i didnt.

Try again.

Still more evasive bullshit.

I didn't say YOU SUPPORTED HIM. Good attempt at a strawman smart-guy. Proving my point that this shit is more about your feelings than reality.

I also explained using first-hand experience how his policy will affect people. Should I have used the word suffer more often? Do I need to provide a longitudinal-qualitative study on people's suffering over the next four years? Or can we draw from inference based upon his policy decisions and what we have seen from Trump to this point?

Let me repeat what I said initially since you were one of those people making the lesser of evils is still evil argument. If you chose to sit this shit out because a principled stance was more important than the inevitable consequences of a Trump presidency then you have also chosen evil.

The argument that there was no right choice assumes we bear no responsibility for what happens to others and that's bullshit.

If Hillary was elected I would be in opposition to her coziness with Wall Street, War Hawk ways, and exploitation of leftist values.

 

[(Nope)]

Generalizations are generally intellectually lazy.

Does that only count on here when liberals are being attacked?

Bc non voters are generalized as trump supporters.

Does it work both ways or nah?

Dead ass, I never even came close to implying that you were a Trump supporter. You assumed that to be the premise of my post. I didn't even touch that.

 

[5th Letter]

Stop being coy and I don't need random hypotheticals.

I work for an agency that serves individuals with intellectual disabilities. With the repeal of the ACA we will see a limit in funding for Money Follows the Person Demonstration Grants (MFP Grants). MFP grants allow these individuals to have access to and a choice of services that best suit their needs. Those grants are gone! But, that doesn't affect you, Hillary's lies affect you.

Then there is all this shit:

But, luckily Hillary wasn't elected. It might have offended your sensibilities.

Actually, here's a hypothetical: a fucking wolf that breathes fire and has a t-shirt on that says "I'm going to kill you" crashes into your home. You just gonna be like "oh, just give him a minute, I want to see what he's up to."

Again, Hillary at worst was a tool used for harm reduction, but you want change now. So, tell me in what ways you are actively working to effect change in your community? Outside of your community? You just not voting? Professing to care for vulnerable people and doing nothing to protect them?

This shit for me was never about how I felt about Hillary, but the damage that is going to be done. There is no silver lining to this shit for the people it affects the most. Turning back the clock on climate change, civil rights, and social services isn't empowering anybody.

Pardon the value imposition, but that shit is what politics is.

All u did was list a bunch of things trump did or said. Thats not what i asked for.

Also, your hypothetical is invalid.

Also, not voting for Hillary doesnt mean i support Trumps actions since his election. Cuz if i did, i probably wouldve voted for him, but i didnt.

Try again.

Still more evasive bullshit.

I didn't say YOU SUPPORTED HIM. Good attempt at a strawman smart-guy. Proving my point that this shit is more about your feelings than reality.

I also explained using first-hand experience how his policy will affect people. Should I have used the word suffer more often? Do I need to provide a longitudinal-qualitative study on people's suffering over the next four years? Or can we draw from inference based upon his policy decisions and what we have seen from Trump to this point?

Let me repeat what I said initially since you were one of those people making the lesser of evils is still evil argument. If you chose to sit this shit out because a principled stance was more important than the inevitable consequences of a Trump presidency then you have also chosen evil.

The argument that there was no right choice assumes we bear no responsibility for what happens to others and that's bullshit.

If Hillary was elected I would be in opposition to her coziness with Wall Street, War Hawk ways, and exploitation of leftist values.

This is the wrong way of thinking. You should not condemn someone if they felt neither candidate was worth their vote. This idea that either voting independently/3rd party or not voting meant that you essentially voted for Trump is stupid.

 

[marc123]

Let brother Malcolm break it down...

 

[fortyacres]

Let brother Malcolm break it down...

since we are being selective about Malcolm X

 

[fortyacres]

The way people are apply the word liberal in this thread is similar to how they apply gay/homosexual.

like they are a different race , when most people under the age of 40 Black or White are "Liberal".

lol a black "liberal" person also does no care about your kind of black person ? so does that mean a conservative black person cares or is genuine/not phony ?

I was specific I said white liberals.

what is the difference between a black liberal and a white liberal ?

I don't trust them because they say slick shit and plenty times they're quiet when shit affects black people.

firstly nobody owes you shit , its your duty to stand up for black people/issues/plight not white people.

second where is the proof of them be quiet when it comes to the black plight ? (i just think they don't respond in a manner that is satisfactory to some and there is no real answer to that, because even those that do get criticized lol)

now if you feel people are not doing enough thats a separate issue we can discuss this , you could also argue that some black (liberals/independents/conservatives) do nothing for themselves or others and resign themselves from doing anything because they feel by being born black and inherited history it gives them license to sit on the sidelines and point fingers, like they have earned that right because of legacy.

I think there is no satisfactory way of White people proving that they love Black people or want to help black people. Some of it is healthy skepticism from African Americans experience in this country's history but also a lot of it is Black Paranoia and conspiracy. Its the Wylie Coyote and Road Runner theory , i think on some level we like being stuck in perpetual struggle thats why when we have major bipartisan victories on racial issues we don't actually know how to acknowledge them and deal with it.

And I've notice some African Americans prefer instant gratification from white people cowering and constantly apologising that people on social media choose easy targetable topics like "cultural appropriation" to make their point.

Yikes. I literally said the type of liberals I'm talking about. Can't spell it out any simpler for you.

Yes and your argument is simply not good enough.

 

[D. Morgan]

Fuck liberals!

But...

Fuck all you lames who weren't ready to make a pragmatic decision and decided to stand on your morals. You were distracted while hateful and regressive whites voted in droves, now Orange Hitler is in office.

When one considers the lesser of evils argument and abstains from the vote or votes for the candidate with no shot at winning, you are also choosing the inevitable evil that follows. What's more, you were self indulgent about the shit and are being proven wrong at every pass.

Trump is a week into this shit and is proving to be worse than almost anyone imagined.

It's okay not to be friends with your politicians or even respect them, but for every step we took forward, we are now taking ten in the opposite direction. Sometimes incremental change is a choice we make so we can keep our footing and accrue more bargaining power.

This post is all kinds of fucked up.

What else should a person stand on besides their morals? You really asking a person to compromise their morals?

What is it really that some of yall not getting that some people just felt that both major party candidates (Hilary & Trump) were both fucked up and shit choices? Why is that so hard to understand?

If people really wanted change why would the 3rd party really have no shot at winning? Wouldn't that mean folks continuing to only vote democrat or republican really only want the status quo with very little to no change at all?

You really think incremental change is a choice we are making or what we are being given because we keep asking for shit instead of taking whats actually our natural right just for being fucking born?

 

[Go figure]

Generalizations are generally intellectually lazy.

Does that only count on here when liberals are being attacked?

Bc non voters are generalized as trump supporters.

Does it work both ways or nah?

Dead ass, I never even came close to implying that you were a Trump supporter. You assumed that to be the premise of my post. I didn't even touch that.

That post wasnt referring to u.

 

[Go figure]

Stop being coy and I don't need random hypotheticals.

I work for an agency that serves individuals with intellectual disabilities. With the repeal of the ACA we will see a limit in funding for Money Follows the Person Demonstration Grants (MFP Grants). MFP grants allow these individuals to have access to and a choice of services that best suit their needs. Those grants are gone! But, that doesn't affect you, Hillary's lies affect you.

Then there is all this shit:

But, luckily Hillary wasn't elected. It might have offended your sensibilities.

Actually, here's a hypothetical: a fucking wolf that breathes fire and has a t-shirt on that says "I'm going to kill you" crashes into your home. You just gonna be like "oh, just give him a minute, I want to see what he's up to."

Again, Hillary at worst was a tool used for harm reduction, but you want change now. So, tell me in what ways you are actively working to effect change in your community? Outside of your community? You just not voting? Professing to care for vulnerable people and doing nothing to protect them?

This shit for me was never about how I felt about Hillary, but the damage that is going to be done. There is no silver lining to this shit for the people it affects the most. Turning back the clock on climate change, civil rights, and social services isn't empowering anybody.

Pardon the value imposition, but that shit is what politics is.

All u did was list a bunch of things trump did or said. Thats not what i asked for.

Also, your hypothetical is invalid.

Also, not voting for Hillary doesnt mean i support Trumps actions since his election. Cuz if i did, i probably wouldve voted for him, but i didnt.

Try again.

Still more evasive bullshit.

I didn't say YOU SUPPORTED HIM. Good attempt at a strawman smart-guy. Proving my point that this shit is more about your feelings than reality.

I also explained using first-hand experience how his policy will affect people. Should I have used the word suffer more often? Do I need to provide a longitudinal-qualitative study on people's suffering over the next four years? Or can we draw from inference based upon his policy decisions and what we have seen from Trump to this point?

Let me repeat what I said initially since you were one of those people making the lesser of evils is still evil argument. If you chose to sit this shit out because a principled stance was more important than the inevitable consequences of a Trump presidency then you have also chosen evil.

The argument that there was no right choice assumes we bear no responsibility for what happens to others and that's bullshit.

If Hillary was elected I would be in opposition to her coziness with Wall Street, War Hawk ways, and exploitation of leftist values.

This is the wrong way of thinking. You should not condemn someone if they felt neither candidate was worth their vote. This idea that either voting independently/3rd party or not voting meant that you essentially voted for Trump is stupid.

 

[blue_london]

Let brother Malcolm break it down...

since we are being selective about Malcolm X

Great video addressed everything discussed here