Anybody still into conspiracy theories?

[The_Jackal]

I still don't get how Building 7 fell during 9/11......no plane hit it.

debris hit it, internal column buckled due to continuing fires, blah blah blah

I've heard that explanation but many other experts doubt it could have collapsed in that way due to fire. I'll do some more research on it but there are plenty of experts who doubt this official story.

Who? What experts? What school on structures have they gradudated from? What kind of city projects have they worked on to justify lostening to them.

In short most likely these "experts" arent really expert.

There's a group called "Architects for 9/11 Truth", made up of architects who openly question the 9/11 story on Building 7. 1,500 architects and counting from around the world have said the official story on Building 7 doesn't make sense. Not saying I totally agree, but the story definitely sounds fishy (I admit to being very distrustful of the crooked, terrorist supporting federal government)

That doesn't make them experts, it makes them architect.

Who would be the experts then? Many of these architects are extremely accomplished. 4,000 and counting doubt the 9/11 story.

Huh? Have you watched that video. Its one "Architects" who credentials can't even be viewed online and every page im seeing for hin is eother 9/11 bullshit or how the AIA ( American Institute of Architects) accurately spoke out against him. But go ahead continue to believe him and the countless "experts" who have nothing to show for there supposed expertise.

 

[kingblaze84]

I still don't get how Building 7 fell during 9/11......no plane hit it.

debris hit it, internal column buckled due to continuing fires, blah blah blah

I've heard that explanation but many other experts doubt it could have collapsed in that way due to fire. I'll do some more research on it but there are plenty of experts who doubt this official story.

Who? What experts? What school on structures have they gradudated from? What kind of city projects have they worked on to justify lostening to them.

In short most likely these "experts" arent really expert.

There's a group called "Architects for 9/11 Truth", made up of architects who openly question the 9/11 story on Building 7. 1,500 architects and counting from around the world have said the official story on Building 7 doesn't make sense. Not saying I totally agree, but the story definitely sounds fishy (I admit to being very distrustful of the crooked, terrorist supporting federal government)

That doesn't make them experts, it makes them architect.

Who would be the experts then? Many of these architects are extremely accomplished. 4,000 and counting doubt the 9/11 story.

Huh? Have you watched that video. Its one "Architects" who credentials can't even be viewed online and every page im seeing for hin is eother 9/11 bullshit or how the AIA ( American Institute of Architects) accurately spoke out against him. But go ahead continue to believe him and the countless "experts" who have nothing to show for there supposed expertise.

Wrong, the engineers and architects have plenty to show for their work. These experts include engineers and professors of major universities worldwide. I never said I believe their theories, what I said is there is serious reason to doubt the official government story and that it sounds fishy. As far as the credentials of these experts, here's just one bio out of several on the official website.....
http://www.ae911truth.org/27-home/carousel/20-carousel-1-aenean-sem-metus.html

Richard Gage, Architect, AIA

Richard Gage, AIA, is a San Francisco Bay Area architect of 28 years, a member of the American Institute of Architects, and the founder and CEO of Architects & Engineers for 9/11 Truth, a 501(c)(3)educational charity.

Since AE911Truth was launched in 2006, nearly 2,500 architects and engineers with verified academic degrees and professional licenses have signed its petition calling for a new, independent investigation—with full subpoena power—into the September 11, 2001, destruction of the World Trade Center Buildings 1, 2, and 7.

The organization also represents more than 20,000 non-architect/engineerpetition signers, including scientists, attorneys, and other responsible, educated citizens in the US and abroad. All signatories of both AE911Truth petitions cite what they believe is overwhelming evidence pointing to the controlled demolition of the three WTC skyscrapers.

In his architectural career, Gage designed most types of building construction, including numerous fire-proofed, steel-framed buildings. Most recently, he worked on the construction documents for a $400M mixed-use urban project with 1.2 million square feet of retail and 320,000 square feet of mid-rise office space, plus a parking structure, totaling some 1,200 tons of steel framing.

 

[kingblaze84]

Here's another bio seen on the website, and video of more experts speaking on the subject....
http://www.ae911truth.org/27-home/carousel/21-carousel-2-in-nec-sapien-mauris.html

Dan Barnum, Architect, FAIA



Dan Barnum, FAIA, of Houston, Texas, holds a Bachelor of Architecture degree from Rice University. He has been practicing architecture for the past 40 years and has designed a variety of buildings, from houses to high-rise office buildings. Among his major projects are One Shell Plaza and Two Shell Plaza in downtown Houston, and Houston Lighting and Power, which is now the Houston Public Works office building. Barnum is a Fellow of the American Institute of Architects, the highest honor bestowed on its members by the AIA.

 

[luke1733]

the illuminati ones really get me mad at those who believe it. I can see why they believe it, but it's just BS and there's nothing you can say to those who believe it to make them believe anything different.

FBI,CIA, European Union, NATO, Navy Seals, KGB, masons, NASA these groups all have secrets and are functional today and in the past but they don't need to come together under another secret name, traditions or rules. They already have their own. That's all I'll say, since someone probably will now come forth with a bunch of shit on why the illuminati does exist.

My only point is it's not called illuminati, it's called those organizations I listed above, along with senators and lobbyists. They're not really hiding.

 

[Melqart]

the illuminati ones really get me mad at those who believe it. I can see why they believe it, but it's just BS and there's nothing you can say to those who believe it to make them believe anything different.

FBI,CIA, European Union, NATO, Navy Seals, KGB, masons, NASA these groups all have secrets and are functional today and in the past but they don't need to come together under another secret name, traditions or rules. They already have their own. That's all I'll say, since someone probably will now come forth with a bunch of shit on why the illuminati does exist.

My only point is it's not called illuminati, it's called those organizations I listed above, along with senators and lobbyists. They're not really hiding.

To an extent. I can't believe you didn't mention the NSA in that list.

There's things like the most powerful bank there is, the bank for international settlements. Which is a central bank for the central banks... which coordinates the cooperation of the other central banks. It's literally never mentioned in the msm despite wielding an incredible amount of away over world monetary policy as a whole

 

[The_Jackal]

>There own website, run and promoted by them

>Being a unbiased and true source

Pick only one.

Again im not saying everyone of them aren't engineers just I doubt 4,000 legitimate ones have spoke out agsinst it. Your as bad as the people who believe everything the government says and have the same habit as using biased sources to strengthen your claim.

 

[kingblaze84]

>There own website, run and promoted by them

>Being a unbiased and true source

Pick only one.

Again im not saying everyone of them aren't engineers just I doubt 4,000 legitimate ones have spoke out agsinst it. Your as bad as the people who believe everything the government says and have the same habit as using biased sources to strengthen your claim.

Their credentials are out there for the world to see. I've done my research and many of these architects and engineers are true experts in their field. I have every reason to take their word seriously. From everything I've read and heard, I have great reason to remain skeptical of the official govt story.

If you don't believe 4,000 architects and engineers have publicly doubted the story, fine. But 2,500 are part of that website and their credentials are official, Google their names and you'll see they have helped build and design buildings across the world.

 

[kingblaze84]

Even a member of the 9/11 commission, John Farmer, is on record as saying the Pentagon and federal govt REPEATEDLY lied about the events of 9/11. Geeee, I wonder why the federal govt would lie about the events of that day.
https://spktruth2power.wordpress.co...jects-own-report-as-based-on-government-lies/

In 2006, The Washington Post reported…”Suspicion of wrongdoing ran so deep that the 10-member commission, in a secret meeting at the end of its tenure in summer 2004, debated referring the matter to the Justice Department for criminal investigation, according to several commission sources. Staff members and some commissioners thought that e-mails and other evidence provided enough probable cause to believe that military and aviation officials violated the law by making false statements to Congress and to the commission…”



In John Farmer’s book: “The Ground Truth: The Story Behind America’s Defense on 9/11″, the author builds the inescapably convincing case that the official version… is almost entirely untrue…

The 9/11 Commission now tells us that the official version of 9/11 was based on false testimony and documents and is almost entirely untrue. The details of this massive cover-up are carefully outlined in a book by John Farmer, who was the Senior Counsel for the 9/11 Commission.



--If even the SENIOR COUNSEL of the 9/11 Commission is saying the federal govt lied and deceived 9/11 commission members, then I don't know what to say. Either way, members of the 9/11 Commission now admit the 9/11 report was not a totally truthful or complete report. People have every right to doubt the official story of the lying ass federal govt.

 

[janklow]

I've heard that explanation but many other experts doubt it could have collapsed in that way due to fire. I'll do some more research on it but there are plenty of experts who doubt this official story.

can you provide any from a reputable site

http://www.ae911truth.org/

https://spktruth2power.wordpress.com/

cases in point

 

[janklow]

i mean i know it sounds hilarious , but if you look into it its actually not that crazy

have you ever really looked into it or are you just saying that?

have looked into it, it is that crazy

not that i know anyone who worked for NASA back in the day or anything, which admittedly is anecdotal evidence

 

[CracceR]

i mean i know it sounds hilarious , but if you look into it its actually not that crazy

have you ever really looked into it or are you just saying that?

have looked into it, it is that crazy

not that i know anyone who worked for NASA back in the day or anything, which admittedly is anecdotal evidence

i mean it was the cold war

it was extremely important for the u.s. to send the first ppl to the moon to demonstrate power

russia was doing better at that moment at sending ppl to space

if russians woulda been the first ppl on the moon it woulda been a huge bummer

 

[kingblaze84]

I've heard that explanation but many other experts doubt it could have collapsed in that way due to fire. I'll do some more research on it but there are plenty of experts who doubt this official story.

can you provide any from a reputable site

http://www.ae911truth.org/

https://spktruth2power.wordpress.com/

cases in point

Many of the engineers and architects are on video lol, I posted a video earlier. Their credentials can easily be looked up online from several sources, from Richard Gage to Jason Chesire to Robert Podolsky, who has worked on science and design projects for GE, AVCO and even the Air Force Avionics Lab. These architects and engineers are extremely accomplished and here's yet another video of them speaking against the official story, notice the credentials of these individuals that appear next to them. No need to watch the whole video, just bits and pieces, the credentials are there to see.

Even some firefighter groups now admit the official story doesn't add up, some appear in this video too.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/08/01/AR2006080101300.html?sub=new

 

[janklow]

i mean it was the cold war

it was extremely important for the u.s. to send the first ppl to the moon to demonstrate power

russia was doing better at that moment at sending ppl to space

if russians woulda been the first ppl on the moon it woulda been a huge bummer

well a) "here's a reason why you might want to fake it" isn't really an argument and b) it was the Cold War, why would the Soviets not call the US on it?

Many of the engineers and architects are on video lol, I posted a video earlier.

telling me they're on video somewhere doesn't mean you're giving me information from a reputable site, you know.

but here's the thing: there are plenty of engineers and architects backing the official story. so either we're going to have a debate about who's more qualified, or a debate about "what other questionable beliefs do these guys believe in that will undermine them on THIS issue," or i guess someone could provide some Serious Evidence.

 

[CracceR]

i mean it was the cold war

it was extremely important for the u.s. to send the first ppl to the moon to demonstrate power

russia was doing better at that moment at sending ppl to space

if russians woulda been the first ppl on the moon it woulda been a huge bummer

well a) "here's a reason why you might want to fake it" isn't really an argument and b) it was the Cold War, why would the Soviets not call the US on it?

what i heard but i dont know if its true is that the russians never had access to all the information from the apollo moon program

And that a few yrs bacc when they got access to the calculations and all, they looked at it and said this cant possibly be true

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Oh yeah and this:

But it's just a game.........SMH

 

[kingblaze84]

i mean it was the cold war

it was extremely important for the u.s. to send the first ppl to the moon to demonstrate power

russia was doing better at that moment at sending ppl to space

if russians woulda been the first ppl on the moon it woulda been a huge bummer

well a) "here's a reason why you might want to fake it" isn't really an argument and b) it was the Cold War, why would the Soviets not call the US on it?

Many of the engineers and architects are on video lol, I posted a video earlier.

telling me they're on video somewhere doesn't mean you're giving me information from a reputable site, you know.

but here's the thing: there are plenty of engineers and architects backing the official story. so either we're going to have a debate about who's more qualified, or a debate about "what other questionable beliefs do these guys believe in that will undermine them on THIS issue," or i guess someone could provide some Serious Evidence.

Well considering some members of the 9/11 Commission have stated the official govt story was built on lies and many highly accomplished engineers and architects, alongside some firefighter groups also doubting the official story, there will be many reasons to doubt the official story for years to come. There is a whole lot we don't know about that day, based on the many lies the govt told the 9/11 Commission.

 

[janklow]

what i heard but i dont know if its true is that the russians never had access to all the information from the apollo moon program

it's not about access to Apollo. it's that they had the means to track it and call us out if we were faking it

And that a few yrs bacc when they got access to the calculations and all, they looked at it and said this cant possibly be true

...who is "they"

 

[janklow]

Well considering some members of the 9/11 Commission have stated the official govt story was built on lies-

intentionally vague. what are the lies in question?

-and many highly accomplished engineers and architects, alongside some firefighter groups also doubting the official story

yeah, i DID read this the first time. so to repeat: "but here's the thing: there are plenty of engineers and architects backing the official story. so either we're going to have a debate about who's more qualified, or a debate about "what other questionable beliefs do these guys believe in that will undermine them on THIS issue," or i guess someone could provide some Serious Evidence."

 

[CracceR]

what i heard but i dont know if its true is that the russians never had access to all the information from the apollo moon program

it's not about access to Apollo. it's that they had the means to track it and call us out if we were faking it

And that a few yrs bacc when they got access to the calculations and all, they looked at it and said this cant possibly be true

...who is "they"

russians, who else?

i actually watched a movie yesterday about the fake moon landing and the shit is spot on, you should watch it.

 

[janklow]

And that a few yrs bacc when they got access to the calculations and all-

this is the part that doesn't make sense. the Russians wouldn't have had to wait until "a few years back" to call out a fake moon landing; they had the ability to call it out at the time

i actually watched a movie yesterday about the fake moon landing and the shit is spot on, you should watch it.

i am... familiar with the arguments that the moon landing* was fake. never seen one that was "spot on."

*why do we keep saying "moon landing" when we landed on the moon six times?