Anti-Creationists......time to speak your clout

[Bodhi]

wing

One of a pair of movable organs for flying, as the feather-covered modified forelimb of a bird or the skin-covered modified digits of the forelimb of a bat.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/wing

1a : one of the movable feathered or membranous paired appendages by means of which a bird, bat, or insect is able to fly; also : such an appendage even though rudimentary if possessed by an animal belonging to a group characterized by the power of flight b : any of various anatomical structures (as of a flying fish or flying lemur) providing means of limited flight
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/wing

Your definition fails to describe the Fuegian Steamer Duck......

a flightless waterfowl, who has allegedly killed adults of various other waterfowl species with their powerful, spurred "wings".......

Through adaptation, thanks to evolution, the duck's wings, previously used for flight, serve the newer purpose: swimming.

 

[Bodhi]

But all of that is beside the point. We were talking about kiwi birds, which are terrestrial birds. They are ratites, along with ostriches and emus.

 

[Bodhi]

And that was part of a bigger point: that vestigiality does not mean the structure is rendered entirely functionless, and that evolution may provide a new function or either the lost function was 1 of many others.

 

[whar]

Kiwi's wings (and all avian wings) were at one point flight adaptions. The Kiwi in particular because it lives on New Zealand. The only way animals got to New Zealand prior to man was by flight. Though some smaller reptiles and frogs did make the trip over the sea by driftwood or other rafting.

Without the presense of large predator many species of birds on New Zealand lost the ability to fly, including the Kiwi.

 

[bambu]

My mistake.

No sweat.....

One of several "mistakes" and "meant to had saids" that have emerged thus-far......

Proceed.....

Kiwi's wings (and all avian wings) were at one point flight adaptions. The Kiwi in particular because it lives on New Zealand. The only way animals got to New Zealand prior to man was by flight. Though some smaller reptiles and frogs did make the trip over the sea by driftwood or other rafting.

Without the presense of large predator many species of birds on New Zealand lost the ability to fly, including the Kiwi.

That shit is mad speculative and highly unscientific.....

Ratites did not "lose" their wings due to a lack of predators......

Kiwi are the size of chickens and probably taste like them too....

They have actually fared very well against predators with their strong legs and razor sharp "talons/claws".....

Try to pick one up if you want to........

Myth: "Kiwi are cute, gentle little creatures."

They are actually super-strong and often extremely bad tempered. The adults can look after themselves using their razor sharp claws as weapons. A couple of slashes can quickly draw blood — as conservationists have often found when putting their hands down kiwi burrows.

Because they are so aggressive, DOC staff can attract them simply by imitating their call. Incensed that another kiwi is on their turf, the response is instant and dramatic:

"It's amazing to hear them coming to kick the intruder out. They sound like a deer charging, almost exploding, through the dark. Standing there, it's quite intimidating. I guess it's part of the threat display."

 

[Bodhi]

No sweat.....

One of several "mistakes" and "meant to had saids" that have emerged thus-far......

The largest mistakes made, and most frequent in number, "thus far" have been your own. The difference between you and I is that your foolish pride wont allow you to admit when you are wrong. As of right now, you are arguing for the sake of saving face.

Proceed.....

Gladly.....

Kiwi are the size of chickens and probably taste like them too....

The ancestors of modern domesticated birds like the chicken could fly but through selective breeding, humans have produced birds with larger than normal muscles, inhibiting the ability for flight.

They have actually fared very well against predators with their strong legs and razor sharp "talons/claws".....

1. Talons have always been a weapon available to most birds; ratites are terrestrial animals so it is not shocking that they happen to be good on their feet. Ostriches and emus are extremely good runners.

2. The kiwi's most dangerous threats are not indigenous to the island. Its main predators have been introduced. What native predators does the kiwi have? New Zealand's only mammals are bats and marine life. It's also the home of several species of reptiles. The kiwi, before human involvement, did not face much danger in New Zealand.
http://www.doc.govt.nz/conservation/native-animals/

3. The kiwi's talons aren't as useful as flight would be, now that predators such as cats, dogs, ferrets, and stoates have been introduced to New Zealand. These predators can cause large and abrupt declines in populations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi#Threats_to_kiwi

 

[Bodhi]

They have actually fared very well against predators with their strong legs and razor sharp "talons/claws".....

Eagles have not lost the ability to fly but I doubt you would get close to ones talons unguarded, just as you would respect the kiwi's ability to defend itself.

 

[Bodhi]

Run, @bambu, run..

 

[Bodhi]

delete post

 

[bambu]

The largest mistakes made, and most frequent in number, "thus far" have been your own. The difference between you and I is that your foolish pride wont allow you to admit when you are wrong. As of right now, you are arguing for the sake of saving face.

I'm not the nigga running round here talking about "what I had meant to say was" every other page.....

I made mistakes??????

The only reason I continue to bury your bullshit is for my culture......

The little brothers and sisters sleeping on concrete floors that will eventually come across your horseshit......

I am doing this so that they will understand your lies and think beyond your racist theory......

The ancestors of modern domesticated birds like the chicken could fly but through selective breeding, humans have produced birds with larger than normal muscles, inhibiting the ability for flight.

Yet, chickens and other domesticated birds continue to have functional wings.......

1. Talons have always been a weapon available to most birds; ratites are terrestrial animals so it is not shocking that they happen to be good on their feet. Ostriches and emus are extremely good runners.

2. The kiwi's most dangerous threats are not indigenous to the island. Its main predators have been introduced. What native predators does the kiwi have? New Zealand's only mammals are bats and marine life. It's also the home of several species of reptiles. The kiwi, before human involvement, did not face much danger in New Zealand.
http://www.doc.govt.nz/conservation/native-animals/

3. The kiwi's talons aren't as useful as flight would be, now that predators such as cats, dogs, ferrets, and stoates have been introduced to New Zealand. These predators can cause large and abrupt declines in populations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kiwi#Threats_to_kiwi

1. A kiwi good on its feet......imagine that.

2. Most animals did not "face much danger" before humans began destroying their habitats.....

3. Nigga please.... who made you an authority on the effectiveness of the way kiwi are designed??????

 

[whar]

Bambu you remain factual wrong.

Most kiwi species are threatened to critically endangered. Humans have created sanctuaries for them where predators are actively kept out. According to research done on the Kiwis an egg laid in the wild had less than 5% chance of producing an adult Kiwi. This brought about operation Nest Egg where people take the kiwi's eggs, hatched them in captivity and raise the birds to near maturity before returning them to the wild. Even with these extreme measures 35% of these birds do not make it to adulthood.

Kiwis can not defend themselves from mammalian predators like dogs. If humans had not stepped in there is a strong likelihood that only 1 species of Kiwis would remain. And it would be quite endangered.

And just for the records you have been factually wrong about...

1. Definition of a species

2. Observation of speciation

3. Kiwi's have fared poorly against predator

 

[whar]

Wolf: species:C. lupus

Great Dane: species: C. lupus

Chihuahua: species: C.lupus

mojavensis: species: Drosophila

arizonae: species: Drosophila

You fail.....

The bold portion is where you fucked up.

Wolf species : Canis lupus

Great Dane : Canis lupus

Chihuahua : Canis Lupus

mojavensis : Drosophilia mojavensis

arizonae : Drosophilia arizonae

The "You fail...." portion is wonderfully placed.

 

[bambu]

I fucked up nowhere........

Again stupid ass boy.....

In biological nomenclature, a type species is the species to which the name of a genus is permanently linked; it is the species that contains the biological type specimen(s) of the taxon......

Therefore all fruit fly species are named Drosophila.......

Exhibit C.....

SPECIES / SPECIMEN

Drosophila melanogaster

Drosophila funebris

Drosophila busckii

Drosophila confertidentata

or......

D. linearidentata

D. neobusckii

Ect....

The type species permanently attaches a genus to its formal name (its generic name) by providing just one species within that genus to which the genus is permanently linked (i.e. the genus must include that species if it is to bear the name). The species name in turn is fixed, in theory, to a type specimen.

@Whar......

You have illustrated your ignorance on the subject of evolution for too long......

I grow weary of entertaining your nonsense.....

 

[Bodhi]

I made mistakes??????

You've made mistakes.

The only reason I continue to bury your bullshit is for my culture......

The little brothers and sisters sleeping on concrete floors that will eventually come across your horseshit......

I am doing this so that they will understand your lies and think beyond your racist theory......

Stop crying.

Yet, chickens and other domesticated birds continue to have functional wings.......

I said the chicken's ability to fly has been inhibited which means to hinder, or to get in the way of. A domesticated chicken isn't flying much of anywhere. They don't do great distances like other birds are able to.

Domestic chickens are not capable of long distance flight, although lighter birds are generally capable of flying for short distances, such as over fences or into trees (where they would naturally roost).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicken

1. A kiwi good on its feet......imagine that.

You don't have to imagine too much.

Kiwi defend themselves using their powerful legs and sharp claws to kick and scratch at anything attacking them. They are also fast runners which can help them get away from predators
http://www.kcc.org.nz/kiwi

Most animals did not "face much danger" before humans began destroying their habitats.....

Most animals have a number of natural predators. The difference with the kiwi is that, being isolated in New Zealand, where natural predators aren't great in number, the necessity for flight as a means to escape a predator became obsolete.

Nigga please.... who made you an authority on the effectiveness of the way kiwi are designed??????

The most high... BOL! Just fuckin with you. God doesn't exist.

 

[bambu]

You've made mistakes.

Really????

The only reason I continue to bury your bullshit is for my culture......

The little brothers and sisters sleeping on concrete floors that will eventually come across your horseshit......

I am doing this so that they will understand your lies and think beyond your racist theory.....

Most animals have a number of natural predators. The difference with the kiwi is that, being isolated in New Zealand, where natural predators aren't great in number, the necessity for flight as a means to escape a predator became obsolete.

If the real necessity to escape predators became obsolete....

Why are they so "good on their feet"???????

Nigga please.... who made you an authority on the effectiveness of the way kiwi are designed??????

The most high... BOL! Just fuckin with you. God doesn't exist.

SMH.......

@ Smart / Dumb niggas......

 

[Bodhi]

I fucked up nowhere........

Nah, brother man. Let's examine this together..

Wolf: species:C. lupus

Great Dane: species: C. lupus

Chihuahua: species: C.lupus

Check out how you listed the wolf, the great dane and the chihuahua to the far left of your table.

You incorrectly named the species of great dane and chihuahua as c. lupus.

Canis Lupus is the species name for the gray wolf. The genus for the wolf is canis.

The species names for danes and chi's are familiaris.

mojavensis: species: Drosophila

arizonae: species: Drosophila

You fail.....

You proceeded to fail by listing the species name for both mojavensis and arizonae as drosophila.

However, drosophila is the genus name, not the species name.

Thus, mojavensis and arizonae are seperate species within the same genus.

 

[Bodhi]

If the real necessity to escape predators became obsolete....

Why are they so "good on their feet"???????

Because without the need to fly, they became ground animals. Naturally, if you spend a lot of time on the ground using your legs, you become good with them.

SMH.......

@ Smart / Dumb niggas......

LOL

 

[bambu]

I fucked up nowhere........

Nah, brother man. Let's examine this together..

Wolf: species:C. lupus

Great Dane: species: C. lupus

Chihuahua: species: C.lupus

Check out how you listed the wolf, the great dane and the chihuahua to the far left of your table.

You incorrectly named the species of great dane and chihuahua as c. lupus.

Canis Lupus is the species name for the gray wolf. The genus for the wolf is canis.

The species names for danes and chi's are familiaris.

mojavensis: species: Drosophila

arizonae: species: Drosophila

You fail.....

You proceeded to fail by listing the species name for both mojavensis and arizonae as drosophila.

However, drosophila is the genus name, not the species name.

Thus, mojavensis and arizonae are seperate species within the same genus.

Domestic Dog:

Species: C. lupus

Subspecies: C. l. familiaris

Wolf:

Genus: Canis

Species: C. lupus

Again stupid ass boy.....

In biological nomenclature, a type species is the species to which the name of a genus is permanently linked; it is the species that contains the biological type specimen(s) of the taxon......

Therefore all fruit fly species are named Drosophila.......

Exhibit C.....

SPECIES / SPECIMEN

Drosophila melanogaster

Drosophila funebris

Drosophila busckii

Drosophila confertidentata

or......

D. linearidentata

D. neobusckii

Ect....

The type species permanently attaches a genus to its formal name (its generic name) by providing just one species within that genus to which the genus is permanently linked (i.e. the genus must include that species if it is to bear the name). The species name in turn is fixed, in theory, to a type specimen.

If the real necessity to escape predators became obsolete....

Why are they so "good on their feet"???????

Because without the need to fly, they became ground animals. Naturally, if you spend a lot of time on the ground using your legs, you become good with them.

SMH.......

@ Smart / Dumb niggas......

LOL

Without the need to defend themselves the kiwi should have no defense mechanisms......

They do.....

 

[whar]

That's right you also fucked up type species.

Drosophila is the Genus. This is a simple fact.

The type species of Drosophila is Drosophila funebris

 

[bambu]

I fucked up nowhere........

Nah, brother man. Let's examine this together..

Wolf: species:C. lupus

Great Dane: species: C. lupus

Chihuahua: species: C.lupus

Check out how you listed the wolf, the great dane and the chihuahua to the far left of your table.

You incorrectly named the species of great dane and chihuahua as c. lupus.

Canis Lupus is the species name for the gray wolf. The genus for the wolf is canis.

The species names for danes and chi's are familiaris.

@Oceanic....

You, Sir cannot read.....

That's right you also fucked up type species.

Drosophila is the Genus. This is a simple fact.

In biological nomenclature, a type species is the species to which the name of a genus is permanently linked; it is the species that contains the biological type specimen(s) of the taxon......

Therefore all fruit fly species are named Drosophila.......

Exhibit C.....

SPECIES / SPECIMEN

Drosophila melanogaster

Drosophila funebris

Drosophila busckii

Drosophila confertidentata

or......

D. linearidentata

D. neobusckii

Ect....

The type species permanently attaches a genus to its formal name (its generic name) by providing just one species within that genus to which the genus is permanently linked (i.e. the genus must include that species if it is to bear the name). The species name in turn is fixed, in theory, to a type specimen.

@Whar....

You, Sir cannot read........

Yall niggas can troll all you want.......

However, you cannot.....