Anti-Creationists......time to speak your clout

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The average man can’t prove of most of the things that he chooses to speak of

And still won’t research and find out the root of the truth that you seek of

Scholars teach in Universities and claim that they’re smart and cunning

Tell them find a cure when we sneeze and that’s when their nose start running



- Jr Gong
 
bambu;4711539 said:
@Gold_Certificate......

You made the claim that....

Gold_Certificate;4684093 said:
After speciation, the will be more than one species; so the "new" species will be the recently-speciated ones.

Please provide the name of the new species resulting from these experiments....

"In an attempt to gain insight into the process of the development of reproductive isolation, eight populations of Drosophila pseudoobscura were studied. These were first used by Powell and Andjelkovic (1983)"

"All eight D. pseudoobscura populations were derived from a single population collected at Bryce Canyon, Utah (see Powell and Andjelkovic [1983] for details on the media and the generation of the populations)"

Reproductive Isolation as a Consequence of Adaptive Divergence in Drosophila pseudoobscura

Diane M. B. Dodd

Evolution , Vol. 43, No. 6 (Sep., 1989), pp. 1308-1311

Dr. Dodd was left with Drosophila pseudoobscura at the conclusion......No new species.....
bambu;4711709 said:
@Gold_Certificate......

POPULATION GENETICS OF DROSOPHILA AMYLASE. V. GENETIC BACKGROUND AND SELECTION ON DIFFERENT CARBOHYDRATES

JEFFREY R. POWELL AND GEORGE D. AMATO

Department of Biology, Yale University, New Haven, Connecticut 0651 1

Manuscript received September 20, 1983

Accepted December 16, 1983

"THAT natural selection molds adaptations in populations is nearly universally accepted. However, the specific nature of the genetic variants contributing to adaptations is less well understood."

The Results...

"There is no pattern of Amy allele changes

evident. Even after more than 2 yr all four cages have very similar gene

frequencies, which are not significantly different from the original frequencies.

Thus, there is no evidence for selection on these alleles. We might also note that

these results give no evidence for drift being sufficient."
Although you now seem to be referring to Drosophila pseudoobscura instead of Drosophila melanogaster. Neither of these dispute the fact that form of allopatric speciation occurred; there was a physical barrier, and reproductive isolation.

It hasn't been confirmed whether fruit flies like the ones that resulted from the experiment exist in the wild yet, so naming them would be premature.
 
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@Gold_Certificate....

Gold_Certificate;4712359 said:
It hasn't been confirmed whether fruit flies like the ones that resulted from the experiment exist in the wild yet, so naming them would be premature.

Wishful thinking.....

However, a new species was not named because there were none observed.....

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bambu;4712540 said:
@Gold_Certificate....

Gold_Certificate;4712359 said:
It hasn't been confirmed whether fruit flies like the ones that resulted from the experiment exist in the wild yet, so naming them would be premature.

Wishful thinking.....

However, a new species was not named because there were none observed.....
All you have to do is show that a form of allopartic speciation did not occur, and your claim will have substantiation.

 
bambu;4710763 said:
Again Sir..... No new or different species.......

You need to explain why. If you accept that DNA is the foundation of organisms. If you accept that small changes arise in organisms over time (micro-evolution) then you need to explain why over long periods of time an accumulation of small changes will not result in a new species.

In rehards to Dr Jones and the comparison to chimps, Dr Jones is not putting forward the argument that Africans are closer to chimps than Europeans. This is false. He is making the point that Africans have been exposed to HIV longer than Europeans and have developed more resistances. This is similar to the chimp which has an HIV like virus in their populations. He could have made a similar argument with Horses or Cats which also have an HIV like virus in their species.

There is a concept called convergent evolution. When species share similar environments they often produce similar adaptions to that environment. If you have a virus that attacks cells by picking a lock on the cell membrane to trick the cell into letting it in then you will see new variation in the receptor proteins for that cell. That is what Dr Jones is saying has occurred in Chimps. Dues to their long exposure to SIV (monkey HIV) chimps have developed 9 new 'locks' on their cell membrane. Africans due to exposure to HIV have developed 6 different locks themselves 3 they share with Europeans and 3 new ones. But these are not the same as the chimp adaptions. They provide the same protection, making it hard for HIV to invade a cell, but they are not identical.

In this case you have invented a racial overtone when one did not exist.

 
waterproof;4712113 said:
Jaded Righteousness;4711234 said:
Look at @waterproof's weak ass, doing the exact same thing he accused me of doing. What a joke.

APE MAN why do you interrupt my studies, here i am getting this free lesson from Brother @Babu and you have to talk that talk.

you should humble yourself and be grateful of the schooling @bambu is giving you, some people charge money for that shit

lol If it's a lesson being taught in here, I'm teaching it. Take notes, boy. I hope you were paying attention when I had to lay shit out for you
 
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Gold_Certificate;4713160 said:
bambu;4712540 said:
@Gold_Certificate....

Gold_Certificate;4712359 said:
It hasn't been confirmed whether fruit flies like the ones that resulted from the experiment exist in the wild yet, so naming them would be premature.

Wishful thinking.....

However, a new species was not named because there were none observed.....
All you have to do is show that a form of allopartic speciation did not occur, and your claim will have substantiation.

@Gold_Certificate....

Wrong Sir.....

All you have to do is show where a new species was observed....

I dont even know why you would bring Dr. Dodd's research into this argument.........

Her research deals with behavior more than anything else.....

The research that addresses this topic directly illustrates that.....

POPULATION GENETICS OF DROSOPHILA AMYLASE. V. GENETIC BACKGROUND AND SELECTION ON DIFFERENT CARBOHYDRATES

JEFFREY R. POWELL AND GEORGE D. AMATO

Department of Biology, Yale University, New Haven, Connecticut 0651 1

Manuscript received September 20, 1983

Accepted December 16, 1983

"THAT natural selection molds adaptations in populations is nearly universally accepted. However, the specific nature of the genetic variants contributing to adaptations is less well understood."

The Results...

"There is no pattern of Amy allele changes

evident. Even after more than 2 yr all four cages have very similar gene

frequencies, which are not significantly different from the original frequencies.

Thus, there is no evidence for selection on these alleles. We might also note that

these results give no evidence for drift being sufficient."


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whar;4713493 said:
bambu;4710763 said:
Again Sir..... No new or different species.......

You need to explain why. If you accept that DNA is the foundation of organisms. If you accept that small changes arise in organisms over time (micro-evolution) then you need to explain why over long periods of time an accumulation of small changes will not result in a new species.

In rehards to Dr Jones and the comparison to chimps, Dr Jones is not putting forward the argument that Africans are closer to chimps than Europeans. This is false. He is making the point that Africans have been exposed to HIV longer than Europeans and have developed more resistances. This is similar to the chimp which has an HIV like virus in their populations. He could have made a similar argument with Horses or Cats which also have an HIV like virus in their species.

There is a concept called convergent evolution. When species share similar environments they often produce similar adaptions to that environment. If you have a virus that attacks cells by picking a lock on the cell membrane to trick the cell into letting it in then you will see new variation in the receptor proteins for that cell. That is what Dr Jones is saying has occurred in Chimps. Dues to their long exposure to SIV (monkey HIV) chimps have developed 9 new 'locks' on their cell membrane. Africans due to exposure to HIV have developed 6 different locks themselves 3 they share with Europeans and 3 new ones. But these are not the same as the chimp adaptions. They provide the same protection, making it hard for HIV to invade a cell, but they are not identical.

In this case you have invented a racial overtone when one did not exist.

@Whar......

I dont need to explain shit.....

You should provide evidence for the absurd claim that...."over long periods of time an accumulation of small changes will not result in a new species."

Again..... Dr Jones illustrated the genetic "evolution" of the races.....

He then went on to say that because of technology and medicine that humans could circumvent natural selection and survival of the fittest.

The model he outlined illustrated the "evolution" of the races whether you acknowledge it or not.....

I did not invent anything........

I am familiar with your academic theory of evolution......

You guys can make up whatever theories you like.....

However you should know that you are living fantasies.....

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Jaded Righteousness;4713594 said:
waterproof;4712113 said:
Jaded Righteousness;4711234 said:
Look at @waterproof's weak ass, doing the exact same thing he accused me of doing. What a joke.

APE MAN why do you interrupt my studies, here i am getting this free lesson from Brother @Babu and you have to talk that talk.

you should humble yourself and be grateful of the schooling @bambu is giving you, some people charge money for that shit

lol If it's a lesson being taught in here, I'm teaching it. Take notes, boy. I hope you were paying attention when I had to lay shit out for you

Not to toot my own horn, but Waterproof is correct.....

I am a historian and educator, so people do pay for my services....

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@Jaded Righteousness....

bambu;4714611 said:
LOL...

Ole' let me start a new thread so we can turn the tables.....HEAD ASS NIGGA......

Creationists ~ 19

Anti-creationist ~ 0

I found out the origins of your RESEARCH SHOWS BLACKS TO HAVE LARGER BRAINS
http://www.biology-online.org/biology-forum/about11606.html
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2695640/replies?c=63

This shit has no author and was pulled from the bowels of another online forum.....

I think that Dr. Rushton is responsible for this research.....

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Vast amount of evidence have been shown in this thread. While unconvincing to you this evidence has been found to be convincing to 99% of biologists. You simply claim they are all wrong without stating why. Then claim academic superiority.
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/comdesc/

The website has all the evidence you could possibly want support macro-evolution. In fact this is from the conclusion of Dr Theobald's work ....

"These previous points are all evidence of macroevolution alone; the evidence and the conclusion are independent of any specific gradualistic explanatory mechanisms for the origin and evolution of macroevolutionary adaptations. This is why scientists call universal common descent the "fact of evolution". As explained in the introduction, none of the predictions directly address how macroevolution has occurred; nevertheless, the validity of the macroevolutionary conclusion does not depend on whether Darwinism, Lamarckism (i.e. inheritance of acquired characaters), or something else is the true mechanism of adaptive evolutionary change. The macroevolutionary conclusion stands, regardless.

This point has an interesting parallel in physics. Newton's theory of universal gravitation describes a phenomenon of matter, just as macroevolution describes a phenomenon of life. The theory of universal gravitation is also independent of the specific explanatory mechanism for gravity, and in fact Newton never gave a mechanism for gravity. Why does the force between two masses follow the inverse square law and not another law (perhaps an inverse cube law)? It took nearly 300 years before any plausible mechanisms for gravity were proposed (by quantum field theorists). None of these proposed mechanisms currently have any experimental support. Additionally, theories of gravity are strictly dependent upon the concept of mass, and there currently is no empirically supported mechanism for giving mass to matter. Charles Darwin is considered such a great scientific mind because, unlike Newton and Einstein who proposed only descriptive theories, Darwin proposed both a descriptive theory and a plausible mechanism. That mechanism is, of course, heritable variation with natural selection."

-Dr Douglas Theobald Ph. D Brandeis University

Bambu you are arguing against a fact.

As for race it is a purely social concept not a scientific one.
http://www.aaanet.org/stmts/racepp.htm

Here you simply what to revel in the foolishness of past racists. Since assholes used the idea of evolution in the past therefore evolution is only for assholes. The childishness of this logic really should be apparent to anyone.
 
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You sound stupid as fuck B....

99% of biologists?????

That is a bullshit number....

And it has yet to be proven that race is a purely social concept.....

You sure as hell cannot do it.....


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bambu;4714518 said:
POPULATION GENETICS OF DROSOPHILA AMYLASE. V. GENETIC BACKGROUND AND SELECTION ON DIFFERENT CARBOHYDRATES

JEFFREY R. POWELL AND GEORGE D. AMATO

Department of Biology, Yale University, New Haven, Connecticut 0651 1

Manuscript received September 20, 1983

Accepted December 16, 1983

"THAT natural selection molds adaptations in populations is nearly universally accepted. However, the specific nature of the genetic variants contributing to adaptations is less well understood."

The Results...

"There is no pattern of Amy allele changes

evident. Even after more than 2 yr all four cages have very similar gene

frequencies, which are not significantly different from the original frequencies.

Thus, there is no evidence for selection on these alleles. We might also note that

these results give no evidence for drift being sufficient."
...
Re-posting a select quote from an experiment--that was looking for changes in genes related to the amylase enzyme (aka "amy alleles")--still does nothing to refute the fact that allopatric speciation occurred; especially since they did notice other changes.

Full results of the experiment:
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RESULTS

Table 1 shows the frequencies of both midgut patterns and Amy alleles in the four populations over a period of 800 days. The sample size for the midguts is between 60 and 66 for each cage at each sample; 96 genes were sampled for Amy for each cage. These populations have only two Amy alleles which we designate F and S and almost certainly correspond to PRAKASH and LEWONTIN'S (1 968) 1.00 and 0.84 alleles, respectively. There is no pattern of Amy allele changes evident. Even after more than 2 yr all four cages have very similar gene frequencies, which are not significantly different from the original frequencies. Thus, there is no evidence for selection on these alleles. We might also note that these results give no evidence for drift being sufficient. This adds to our confidence that such experimental populations have rather large effective population sizes, and bottlenecks are not common. The changes in midgut patterns are significant and somewhat complex. Because the sample size is small for several patterns, statistical tests on the raw data are suspect. Thus, we have combined categories for testing. In essence, we have ignored the PMG and combined categories with the same AMG pattern. Thus, we have four categories, A + E, B + F, C + G and D + H (lettered designations as in Table 1). A FUNCAT analysis (SAS Institute, Cary, North Carolina) was performed on the combined data; this is similar to an analysis of variance based on chi-squares.

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Table 2 presents the results. There are significant cage effects indicating that the frequencies are different in different cages; the cage X time effect indicates that the cage differences were not static but changed over the course of the experiment. When the data in Table 1 are examined, one can see some patterns in these significant changes. In the starch cages the frequency of AMG pattern 100 (regardless of PMG) has increased, whereas in the maltose cages it has decreased. In maltose cages, AMG 123 has increased to 27% by day 800, whereas in the starch cages, it has remained 8 and 14%.

DISCUSSION

The general conclusion is that there is a tendency for limiting amylase activity to the most anterior region of the AMG in starch cages, whereas amylase activity spread more evenly along the midgut is favored in maltose cages, regardless of what is happening in the PMG. This result is similar to that obtained previously when a different base population (Bryce) was used (POWELL and ANDJELKOVIC 1983). In that study, the pattern 100-00 increased rather dramatically in the starch cages, whereas little or no change occurred in maltose cages. The main difference is that, in the present study, the PMG pattern did not seem to respond as it did with the Bryce populations. Based on the four populations studied in the present report, we would not be overly confident of the conclusions stated. However, because they are similar to those obtained with 14 other cages, we feel that they are quite significant. Thus, a total of 18 cage populations have been studied for changes in midgut activity patterns, using two different base populations. The robustness of the conclusion (that selection affects this polymorphism differently in starch and maltose environments) is established. In contrast, the results on the frequency of Amy alleles are not so clear. Previously (POWELL and ANDJELKOVIC 1983), we did obtain evidence of selection on this polymorphism as well. However, there is no evidence of selection in the present data. We can only conclude that the “genetic background” can affect the outcome of selection at Amy. An alternative explanation is that the F and S alleles are not really the same in the two populations. However, neither POWELL (1979) nor NORMAN (1978) found “hidden” alleles at Amy of D. pseudoobscuru by varying pH and acrylamide concentration. Thus, this is not a likely explanation, and we are left with genetic background as the most likely factor. Such effects could be due to either close linkage and hitchhiking or to epistasis; it would be difficult to distinguish between these. That the two kinds of polymorphism respond differently is not particularly surprising. Our previous studies on natural populations led us to conclude that the evolutionary dynamics of the two systems are independent. This was based on the fact that there is no correlation between the changes in morph frequencies of the two systems from population to population within a species (POWELL 1979) or across different species (POWELL, RICO and ANJELKOVIC 1980). It would seem clear that selection can operate independently on a structural gene and the factors that control its expression. The rather extensive DNA sequence data being accumulated would seem consistent with this conclusion (see e.g., EFSTRATIADIS et al. 1980). The pattern and extent of changes within a coding region are usually quite different from changes in noncoding regions, some of which are assumed to be controlling regions. Our results are populational confirmation of these molecular observations.
 
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LOL.....@Janklow.....

It seems the only way yall niggas get points is off some "divine intervention" type shit......

Yall niggas is pathetic.....


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Jaded Righteousness;4713594 said:
waterproof;4712113 said:
Jaded Righteousness;4711234 said:
Look at @waterproof's weak ass, doing the exact same thing he accused me of doing. What a joke.

APE MAN why do you interrupt my studies, here i am getting this free lesson from Brother @Babu and you have to talk that talk.

you should humble yourself and be grateful of the schooling @bambu is giving you, some people charge money for that shit

lol If it's a lesson being taught in here, I'm teaching it. Take notes, boy. I hope you were paying attention when I had to lay shit out for you

really.....now i am a boy you descendant of a MONKEY's UNCLE, your euro-centric left side of the brain using is why you can't understand Original man Science
 
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waterproof;4719353 said:
Jaded Righteousness;4713594 said:
waterproof;4712113 said:
Jaded Righteousness;4711234 said:
Look at @waterproof's weak ass, doing the exact same thing he accused me of doing. What a joke.

APE MAN why do you interrupt my studies, here i am getting this free lesson from Brother @Babu and you have to talk that talk.

you should humble yourself and be grateful of the schooling @bambu is giving you, some people charge money for that shit

lol If it's a lesson being taught in here, I'm teaching it. Take notes, boy. I hope you were paying attention when I had to lay shit out for you

really.....now i am a boy you descendant of a MONKEY's UNCLE, your euro-centric left side of the brain using is why you can't understand Original man Science

okay
 
Jaded Righteousness;4720099 said:
waterproof;4719353 said:
Jaded Righteousness;4713594 said:
waterproof;4712113 said:
Jaded Righteousness;4711234 said:
Look at @waterproof's weak ass, doing the exact same thing he accused me of doing. What a joke.

APE MAN why do you interrupt my studies, here i am getting this free lesson from Brother @Babu and you have to talk that talk.

you should humble yourself and be grateful of the schooling @bambu is giving you, some people charge money for that shit

lol If it's a lesson being taught in here, I'm teaching it. Take notes, boy. I hope you were paying attention when I had to lay shit out for you

really.....now i am a boy you descendant of a MONKEY's UNCLE, your euro-centric left side of the brain using is why you can't understand Original man Science

okay

shut yo punk ass up.......i gave you the benefit of the doubt, but now you want to call me a boy, FOH...when the pressure is put on you go to your Master tactics and your Master teachings of disrespecting kicked in you damn ape.

Respect is thrown out the door now, you act like a bitch you will get treated like a bitch

 
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