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Ape to humans took 6 million years. We see clear evidence of this in the fossil record but you are not going to see that occur in the lab or even in the wild given we have only been looking for 150 years.

Artificial Selection does give interesting result particularly in agriculture. Cabbage is a simple plant that is a popular crop in Russia and elsewhere. In fact its origins are from that region northern Asia basically. Through selective breeding cabbage has been changed into Broccoli, Brussel Sprouts, Cauliflower, and Kale.

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Cauliflowerimage.jpg


240px-Brussels_sprout_closeup.jpg


That is a pretty significant set of changes to an organism. It is hard to argue that evolution can not produce large scale changes to an organism when farmers for 1000s of years have been using evolution to do just that.
 
@Whar....

This post illustrates your ignorance on the topic of evolution.....

Cabbage did not "evolve" into the other vegetables that you mentioned......

cabbage, Broccoli, Brussel Sprouts, Cauliflower, and Kale are genetic modifications of of the same species (Brassica oleracea)......

The plants are selected for desirable characteristics that can be maintained by propagation......

This is no different than the hybridization of cannabis.....

1503022635_l.jpg


Several genetic variations.....


However, no new species.... let alone "proof" of evolution.....

6bb61e3b7bce0931da574d19d1d82c88-1624.jpg


Silly Europeans......
 
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LOL at jaded righteous co-signing on shit that he knows nothing about, ol blind following the blind ass descendant of a Ape. I mean least be a Man and stand on your own two, if you don't like that dude then fine but to just hit ether buttons on some shit because it sounds good then get blown out the water that's straight weak shit.
 
Gold_Certificate;4686161 said:
judahxulu;4685978 said:
Gold_Certificate;4683205 said:
judahxulu;4683064 said:
FUCKING PATHETIC...LOL. look at the little threads yall clutch at. all bark no bite. all sizzle no steak. that shit is not even a relatively scaled down version of species changing into new ones.
A species changing into a new one is "speciation"; and sexual isolation is a form of allopatric speciation. So, by definition, what I described when referring to the fruit flies is a "version of species changing into new ones".

Besides you asked for "macroevolution", not speciation; which can be considered a form of either macroevolution or microevolution, depending on the circumstances. What I described when referring to the fruit flies and E. Coli are both examples of macroevolution.

If you are able to refute any of it, go ahead.



How does that = apes to humans?
Thats a waaay bigger morphological jump. All this dense doublespeak....none of this and all of your more recent posts demonstrate how that relates to apes turning to men, cells turning to fish or anything like that. if thats not what evolution has come to mean then say that. its one way or another. there is proof or there is not. seems like you nigga just make up shit as yo go along SOLELY for the purpose of holding on to the CONCEPT of evolution as it was created because it validates the benefactors of such a theory being accepted as true. if all this shit works nothing like what Darwin said, then it needs to be publicly clarified with as much force and vigor as the misconception was taught. Its all game and bullshit though. if a muthafucka gotta talk long or evasive then they usually are bullshitting.
You asked:
judahxulu;4681250 said:
how come no one has ever observe bacteria or fruit flies macro-evolve muthafucka? ...

Your question was about the observed macroevolution of fruit flies and bacteria, so my answer was also about the observed macroevolution of fruit flies and bacteria.

If you are able to refute my answer to your question, go ahead.

Or do you have a different question now?

is an ape turning into a man an example of macro-evolution? and how do experiments with bacteria that well...remained bacteria prove the proposed origin of species?
 
Bambu the mechanism the farmers use is the same one natural selection uses. Certain desirable traits are breed for in each generation which results in massively different organisms such as cauliflower and brussel sprouts. The difference from evolution by natural selection is the farmer is artificially selecting desirable traits but the end result is the same. The population of plants change over time.

If you accept that cauliflower can result from cabbage in a thousand years or so what is to stop it from drifting further away from cabbage over the next 10,000? We can track that genetic drift in any two isolated population of organism on a generation to generation basis. We have not found anything that suggest there is a limit to this change. If you isolate population for 10 generations or 20 the amount of genetic change is proportional with variance due to alteration in the environment.

Your side seem to acknowledge that change does occur but there is a limiting factor. Something that will keep the fruit fly a fruit fly. Studies on the subject only go back several decades since the discovery of DNA so they are limited by this time horizon. However if changes do occur what stops a population of fruit flies from evolving into a new form over long periods of time?

Lets look at what is needed for evolution to be true

1. An organism's makeup is defined by DNA

2. Variation can be introduced to DNA at time of reproduction

3. Population of organism able to interbreed or reproduce

4. DNA changes accumulate in that population over time.

All of that is easily observable in experiment. The only difference from micro or macro changes is the amount of time being examined. What process or limiting factor exists that allows cabbage to be breed into cauliflower but even if we observed it for a million years it would still remain cabbage and cauliflower?
 
judahxulu;4687567 said:
Gold_Certificate;4686161 said:
judahxulu;4685978 said:
Gold_Certificate;4683205 said:
judahxulu;4683064 said:
FUCKING PATHETIC...LOL. look at the little threads yall clutch at. all bark no bite. all sizzle no steak. that shit is not even a relatively scaled down version of species changing into new ones.
A species changing into a new one is "speciation"; and sexual isolation is a form of allopatric speciation. So, by definition, what I described when referring to the fruit flies is a "version of species changing into new ones".

Besides you asked for "macroevolution", not speciation; which can be considered a form of either macroevolution or microevolution, depending on the circumstances. What I described when referring to the fruit flies and E. Coli are both examples of macroevolution.

If you are able to refute any of it, go ahead.



How does that = apes to humans?
Thats a waaay bigger morphological jump. All this dense doublespeak....none of this and all of your more recent posts demonstrate how that relates to apes turning to men, cells turning to fish or anything like that. if thats not what evolution has come to mean then say that. its one way or another. there is proof or there is not. seems like you nigga just make up shit as yo go along SOLELY for the purpose of holding on to the CONCEPT of evolution as it was created because it validates the benefactors of such a theory being accepted as true. if all this shit works nothing like what Darwin said, then it needs to be publicly clarified with as much force and vigor as the misconception was taught. Its all game and bullshit though. if a muthafucka gotta talk long or evasive then they usually are bullshitting.
You asked:
judahxulu;4681250 said:
how come no one has ever observe bacteria or fruit flies macro-evolve muthafucka? ...

Your question was about the observed macroevolution of fruit flies and bacteria, so my answer was also about the observed macroevolution of fruit flies and bacteria.

If you are able to refute my answer to your question, go ahead.

Or do you have a different question now?

is an ape turning into a man an example of macro-evolution? and how do experiments with bacteria that well...remained bacteria prove the proposed origin of species?
Humans are apes and there have been older species of humans than Homo sapiens, so it can either be labeled as "microevolution" (two people having a child) or "macroevolution" (the sudden speciation of one species of human into another).

If by "origin of species", you're referring to Charles Darwin's book on "natural selection"; then the E. Coli experiment shows that it is possible for genetic changes in organisms to spread and become common in the overall population (fixation), while differing from fixated genetic changes in other populations of the same species. This supports the "branching" model of evolution that Charles Darwin proposed to be the reason for biological diversity.
 
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Gold_Certificate;4688209 said:
Humans are apes .



"Long before it's in the papers"

August 03, 2010

RETURN TO THE WORLD SCIENCE HOME PAGE

Humans not just “big-brained apes,” researcher says

Aug. 22, 2007

Courtesy PNAS

and World Science staff

Updated Aug. 24

In dis­cus­sions on an­i­mal in­tel­li­gence, it’s fash­ion­a­ble to play up an­i­mals’ smarts and their si­m­i­lar­i­ties to hu­mans. And many stud­ies pro­vide fod­der for such think­ing.

But a new study, re­assess­ing much past re­search, of­fers a dif­fer­ent per­spec­tive: it ar­gues that key hu­man-ani­mal dif­fer­ences are of­ten over­looked. Hu­mans are more than just “big-brained apes,” as Charles Dar­win called them in 1871, wrote the au­thor, psy­chol­o­gist Da­vid Pre­mack of the Un­ivers­ity of Penn­syl­va­nia in Phil­a­del­phia, Penn.

Many stud­ies have ex­am­ined ape in­tel­li­gence. In this im­age, the chimp "Jes­sie" re­moves a blind­fold from a train­er who al­so has the key to a box con­tain­ing a ba­nana. Re­search­ers say this shows Jes­sie grasps the con­cept of "seeing": she real­izes that if she takes off the blind­fold, the train­er can open the box. While such stud­ies of­ten play up apes' sim­i­lar­i­ties to hu­mans, a psy­chol­ogist says they of­ten over­look the great dif­fer­ences: for in­stance, an­i­mal ac­tions usu­al­ly cen­ter on nar­row ob­jec­tives like food or sex. (Im­age cour­te­sy Pro­ceed­ings of the Na­tio­n­al Aca­de­my of Sci­en­ces)

In try­ing to change such con­cep­tions, Pre­mack is swim­ming against a tide of re­search that has found some­times sur­pris­ing cog­ni­tive abil­i­ties in an­i­mals, ca­pa­ci­ties once thought un­ique to hu­mans.

A study pub­lished last Ju­ly, for in­s­tance, found that even some ro­dents can re­mem­ber the “what, where and when” of events in their lives, an abil­ity some­times cit­ed as key to con­scious­ness. And find­ings made pub­lic just this week sug­gested rhe­sus monk­eys use “baby talk” with in­fants, though sur­pri­singly, not their own.

Pre­mack did­n’t chal­lenge the find­ings of past stud­ies. But he ar­gued that they of­ten fo­cus on an­i­mal-hu­man si­m­i­lar­i­ties—strik­ing us re­peat­edly with ex­amp­les of how animals are “so like us”—while gloss­ing over the vast realms of act­i­vity where they’re real­ly quite un­like us. That leads to the false idea that an­i­mals have hu­man-like abil­i­ties, he said.

Fur­ther con­fu­sion has aris­en be­cause hu­man brains do have si­m­i­lar­i­ties in struc­ture to oth­er mam­mals’, added Pre­mack, whose pa­per ap­peared in this week’s early on­line edi­tion of the re­search jour­nal Pro­ceed­ings of the Na­tio­n­al Aca­de­my of Sci­en­ces. For such rea­sons, most neu­ro­sci­en­tists agreed with Dar­win un­til re­cently.

Only since the late 1990s has re­search chal­lenged that no­tion, by re­veal­ing mi­cro­scop­ic fea­tures unique to hu­man brains, Pre­mack wrote. These stud­ies have found “en­hanced wir­ing, and forms of con­nec­ti­vity among nerve cells not found in any an­i­mal.”

One such find­ing, he added, in­volved a new­found type of neu­ron, or brain cell, that’s far more nu­mer­ous and larg­er in hu­mans than in any of their ape rel­a­tives. Called von Eco­no­mo neu­rons, these cells are par­tic­u­larly prev­a­lent in brain re­gions deal­ing with so­cial emo­tions such as em­pa­thy, guilt and em­bar­rass­ment, Pre­mack wrote.

In a crit­i­cal anal­y­sis of past lit­er­a­ture, Pre­mack ex­am­ined claims of si­m­i­lar­ity be­tween an­i­mals and hu­mans in sev­er­al dif­fer­ent ar­eas, in­clud­ing teach­ing, de­cep­tion, mem­o­ry, and lan­guage. In all cases, he ar­gued, the si­m­i­lar­i­ties are small and the dif­fer­ences large.

A ma­jor dif­fer­ence is that an­i­mal be­hav­iors ap­pear to be mainly adapta­t­ions fo­cused on a sin­gle goal such as food-seeking, he wrote, where­as hu­man be­hav­iors have an in­fi­nite num­ber of goals. Such dis­par­i­ties are con­sist­ent with the ob­served dif­fer­ences in brain struc­ture; the chal­lenge is to un­der­stand the func­tion of these cell­u­lar-level dif­fer­ences, he wrote.

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KENT, Ohio, Oct. 1 (UPI) -- A U.S. biological anthropologist says he's determined humans did not evolve from apes, but, rather, apes evolved from humans.

Kent State University Professor C. Owen Lovejoy, who specializes in the study of human origins, said his findings came from a study of Ardipithecus ramidus, a hominid species that lived 4.4 million years ago in what now is Ethiopia.

"People often think we evolved from apes, but no, apes in many ways evolved from us," Lovejoy said. "It has been a popular idea to think humans are modified chimpanzees. From studying Ardipithecus ramidus, or 'Ardi' (a partial female skeleton) we learn that we cannot understand or model human evolution from chimps and gorillas."

Ardi is "not a chimp," paleoanthropologist Tim White of the University of California-Berkeley, told the San Jose Mercury News. "It shows us what we used to be. It bridges a gap."

Until Ardi was discovered, the earliest specimen of human evolutions was Australopithecus, a bipedal "ape man" that lived 1-4 million years ago, the newspaper said, noting the most famous member of the genus was the 3.2 million-year-old skeleton nicknamed "Lucy" that was found in 1974.

Ardi, White said, is older and more primitive than Lucy, belonging to a new type of early hominid that was neither chimpanzee nor fully human.

Lovejoy, White and other scientists present their research in a special Oct. 2 issue of the journal Science.
 
judahxulu;4688684 said:
Gold_Certificate;4688209 said:
Humans are apes .



"Long before it's in the papers"

August 03, 2010

RETURN TO THE WORLD SCIENCE HOME PAGE

Humans not just “big-brained apes,” researcher says

Aug. 22, 2007

Courtesy PNAS

and World Science staff

Updated Aug. 24

In dis­cus­sions on an­i­mal in­tel­li­gence, it’s fash­ion­a­ble to play up an­i­mals’ smarts and their si­m­i­lar­i­ties to hu­mans. And many stud­ies pro­vide fod­der for such think­ing.

But a new study, re­assess­ing much past re­search, of­fers a dif­fer­ent per­spec­tive: it ar­gues that key hu­man-ani­mal dif­fer­ences are of­ten over­looked. Hu­mans are more than just “big-brained apes,” as Charles Dar­win called them in 1871, wrote the au­thor, psy­chol­o­gist Da­vid Pre­mack of the Un­ivers­ity of Penn­syl­va­nia in Phil­a­del­phia, Penn.

Many stud­ies have ex­am­ined ape in­tel­li­gence. In this im­age, the chimp "Jes­sie" re­moves a blind­fold from a train­er who al­so has the key to a box con­tain­ing a ba­nana. Re­search­ers say this shows Jes­sie grasps the con­cept of "seeing": she real­izes that if she takes off the blind­fold, the train­er can open the box. While such stud­ies of­ten play up apes' sim­i­lar­i­ties to hu­mans, a psy­chol­ogist says they of­ten over­look the great dif­fer­ences: for in­stance, an­i­mal ac­tions usu­al­ly cen­ter on nar­row ob­jec­tives like food or sex. (Im­age cour­te­sy Pro­ceed­ings of the Na­tio­n­al Aca­de­my of Sci­en­ces)

In try­ing to change such con­cep­tions, Pre­mack is swim­ming against a tide of re­search that has found some­times sur­pris­ing cog­ni­tive abil­i­ties in an­i­mals, ca­pa­ci­ties once thought un­ique to hu­mans.

A study pub­lished last Ju­ly, for in­s­tance, found that even some ro­dents can re­mem­ber the “what, where and when” of events in their lives, an abil­ity some­times cit­ed as key to con­scious­ness. And find­ings made pub­lic just this week sug­gested rhe­sus monk­eys use “baby talk” with in­fants, though sur­pri­singly, not their own.

Pre­mack did­n’t chal­lenge the find­ings of past stud­ies. But he ar­gued that they of­ten fo­cus on an­i­mal-hu­man si­m­i­lar­i­ties—strik­ing us re­peat­edly with ex­amp­les of how animals are “so like us”—while gloss­ing over the vast realms of act­i­vity where they’re real­ly quite un­like us. That leads to the false idea that an­i­mals have hu­man-like abil­i­ties, he said.

Fur­ther con­fu­sion has aris­en be­cause hu­man brains do have si­m­i­lar­i­ties in struc­ture to oth­er mam­mals’, added Pre­mack, whose pa­per ap­peared in this week’s early on­line edi­tion of the re­search jour­nal Pro­ceed­ings of the Na­tio­n­al Aca­de­my of Sci­en­ces. For such rea­sons, most neu­ro­sci­en­tists agreed with Dar­win un­til re­cently.

Only since the late 1990s has re­search chal­lenged that no­tion, by re­veal­ing mi­cro­scop­ic fea­tures unique to hu­man brains, Pre­mack wrote. These stud­ies have found “en­hanced wir­ing, and forms of con­nec­ti­vity among nerve cells not found in any an­i­mal.”

One such find­ing, he added, in­volved a new­found type of neu­ron, or brain cell, that’s far more nu­mer­ous and larg­er in hu­mans than in any of their ape rel­a­tives. Called von Eco­no­mo neu­rons, these cells are par­tic­u­larly prev­a­lent in brain re­gions deal­ing with so­cial emo­tions such as em­pa­thy, guilt and em­bar­rass­ment, Pre­mack wrote.

In a crit­i­cal anal­y­sis of past lit­er­a­ture, Pre­mack ex­am­ined claims of si­m­i­lar­ity be­tween an­i­mals and hu­mans in sev­er­al dif­fer­ent ar­eas, in­clud­ing teach­ing, de­cep­tion, mem­o­ry, and lan­guage. In all cases, he ar­gued, the si­m­i­lar­i­ties are small and the dif­fer­ences large.

A ma­jor dif­fer­ence is that an­i­mal be­hav­iors ap­pear to be mainly adapta­t­ions fo­cused on a sin­gle goal such as food-seeking, he wrote, where­as hu­man be­hav­iors have an in­fi­nite num­ber of goals. Such dis­par­i­ties are con­sist­ent with the ob­served dif­fer­ences in brain struc­ture; the chal­lenge is to un­der­stand the func­tion of these cell­u­lar-level dif­fer­ences, he wrote.

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judahxulu;4688686 said:
KENT, Ohio, Oct. 1 (UPI) -- A U.S. biological anthropologist says he's determined humans did not evolve from apes, but, rather, apes evolved from humans.

Kent State University Professor C. Owen Lovejoy, who specializes in the study of human origins, said his findings came from a study of Ardipithecus ramidus, a hominid species that lived 4.4 million years ago in what now is Ethiopia.

"People often think we evolved from apes, but no, apes in many ways evolved from us," Lovejoy said. "It has been a popular idea to think humans are modified chimpanzees. From studying Ardipithecus ramidus, or 'Ardi' (a partial female skeleton) we learn that we cannot understand or model human evolution from chimps and gorillas."

Ardi is "not a chimp," paleoanthropologist Tim White of the University of California-Berkeley, told the San Jose Mercury News. "It shows us what we used to be. It bridges a gap."

Until Ardi was discovered, the earliest specimen of human evolutions was Australopithecus, a bipedal "ape man" that lived 1-4 million years ago, the newspaper said, noting the most famous member of the genus was the 3.2 million-year-old skeleton nicknamed "Lucy" that was found in 1974.

Ardi, White said, is older and more primitive than Lucy, belonging to a new type of early hominid that was neither chimpanzee nor fully human.

Lovejoy, White and other scientists present their research in a special Oct. 2 issue of the journal Science.
Do you have an argument to go along with either of these articles?

Humans are members of the Hominoidea superfamily, and all hominoids are apes; neither article disputes this.
 
seen plenty of articles from evoutionists saying humans and apes share an ancestor. now they're both apes. anybody with common sense can see that definitions are constantly in flux to support a supposition that was never qualified to see the light of day in the FIRST place. shenanigans i say.....
 
the whole fucking field of neuroscience refutes that bullshit without going too hard. you full of shit gold..you just used to spouting a bunch of poly-syllabic bullshit and intimidating muthafuckas too dumb to use google or a library card. you on bullshit but hey...

 
judahxulu;4688745 said:
seen plenty of articles from evoutionists saying humans and apes share an ancestor. now they're both apes. anybody with common sense can see that definitions are constantly in flux to support a supposition that was never qualified to see the light of day in the FIRST place. shenanigans i say.....
It's a simple concept. If humans are apes, then they would have the same ancestor as apes.

Similar to how a gray wolf and a pitbull--which is a subspecies of the gray wolf--would also have the same ancestor. Or how a parent and a child would have the same ancestor.

So there is no contradiction or inconsistency between the two underlined statements.

judahxulu;4688751 said:
the whole fucking field of neuroscience refutes that bullshit without going too hard. ...
Are you able to show where it is refuted, or are you unable to substantiate the bolded?
 
whar;4686265 said:
Ape to humans took 6 million years. We see clear evidence of this in the fossil record but you are not going to see that occur in the lab or even in the wild given we have only been looking for 150 years.

Artificial Selection does give interesting result particularly in agriculture. Cabbage is a simple plant that is a popular crop in Russia and elsewhere. In fact its origins are from that region northern Asia basically. Through selective breeding cabbage has been changed into Broccoli, Brussel Sprouts, Cauliflower, and Kale.

cabbage.jpg


Cauliflowerimage.jpg


240px-Brussels_sprout_closeup.jpg


That is a pretty significant set of changes to an organism. It is hard to argue that evolution can not produce large scale changes to an organism when farmers for 1000s of years have been using evolution to do just that.

bambu;4686749 said:
@Whar....

This post illustrates your ignorance on the topic of evolution.....

Cabbage did not "evolve" into the other vegetables that you mentioned......

cabbage, Broccoli, Brussel Sprouts, Cauliflower, and Kale are genetic modifications of of the same species (Brassica oleracea)......

The plants are selected for desirable characteristics that can be maintained by propagation......

This is no different than the hybridization of cannabis.....

1503022635_l.jpg


Several genetic variations.....


However, no new species.... let alone "proof" of evolution.....

6bb61e3b7bce0931da574d19d1d82c88-1624.jpg


Silly Europeans......


whar;4686265 said:
But...But....
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No buts......Get your cabbage cut out here with that weak shit......

or as Judah would say.....

judahxulu;4686265 said:
seems like you nigga just make up shit as yo go along SOLELY for the purpose of holding on to the CONCEPT of evolution as it was created because it validates the benefactors of such a theory being accepted as true. if all this shit works nothing like what Darwin said, then it needs to be publicly clarified with as much force and vigor as the misconception was taught. Its all game and bullshit though. if a muthafucka gotta talk long or evasive then they usually are bullshitting.

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The process of elimination is quite simple, Let you grow like a blackhead and pop you like a pimple....

**on that big bang**

 
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Gold_Certificate;4688802 said:
judahxulu;4688745 said:
seen plenty of articles from evoutionists saying humans and apes share an ancestor. now they're both apes. anybody with common sense can see that definitions are constantly in flux to support a supposition that was never qualified to see the light of day in the FIRST place. shenanigans i say.....
It's a simple concept. If humans are apes, then they would have the same ancestor as apes.

Similar to how a gray wolf and a pitbull--which is a subspecies of the gray wolf--would also have the same ancestor. Or how a parent and a child would have the same ancestor.

So there is no contradiction or inconsistency between the two underlined statements.

judahxulu;4688751 said:
the whole fucking field of neuroscience refutes that bullshit without going too hard. ...
Are you able to show where it is refuted, or are you unable to substantiate the bolded?

a parent and child share a HUMAN ancestor. Its impossible for the consciousness of a human to have evolved from that of an ape. Life substantiates the bolded. The opposite has not been substantiated only inferred by circumstantial evidence which is always reckoned within the false assumption that evolutionary theory is true- even if the meaning keeps changing to fit information flowing in to contradict it. Regardless, the goalpost will keep moving.
 
waterproof;4687499 said:
LOL at jaded righteous co-signing on shit that he knows nothing about, ol blind following the blind ass descendant of a Ape. I mean least be a Man and stand on your own two, if you don't like that dude then fine but to just hit ether buttons on some shit because it sounds good then get blown out the water that's straight weak shit.

lol.. I've contributed more to this thread (which nobody has been able to dispute, by the way) than you have and have won most debates with you if not all; please, have a seat.
 
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bambu;4688843 said:
Evolution is NOT TRUE! Its NOT!! Its NOT!!!! Its NOT!!!!!

Do you actually hold your breath and stamp your feet while posting to this thread?

To date your argument has been "evolution is not true because I say so" and "Evolution is not true because racist assholes tried to use it to justify their fucked up beliefs".

The first is empty and the second has nothing to do with the veracity of evolution. It is the same flawed argument my atheist friends make when the point out people have misused religion and God to do evil therefore religion and God are evil.

Several substantial posts have been made in this thread supporting evolution. Your own posts have added papers that support evolution. In the end most I think most readers of this thread realize you are holding an empty sack.

 
judahxulu;4689724 said:
Gold_Certificate;4688802 said:
judahxulu;4688745 said:
seen plenty of articles from evoutionists saying humans and apes share an ancestor. now they're both apes. anybody with common sense can see that definitions are constantly in flux to support a supposition that was never qualified to see the light of day in the FIRST place. shenanigans i say.....
It's a simple concept. If humans are apes, then they would have the same ancestor as apes.

Similar to how a gray wolf and a pitbull--which is a subspecies of the gray wolf--would also have the same ancestor. Or how a parent and a child would have the same ancestor.

So there is no contradiction or inconsistency between the two underlined statements.

judahxulu;4688751 said:
the whole fucking field of neuroscience refutes that bullshit without going too hard. ...
Are you able to show where it is refuted, or are you unable to substantiate the bolded?

a parent and child share a HUMAN ancestor. Its impossible for the consciousness of a human to have evolved from that of an ape. Life substantiates the bolded. The opposite has not been substantiated only inferred by circumstantial evidence which is always reckoned within the false assumption that evolutionary theory is true- even if the meaning keeps changing to fit information flowing in to contradict it. Regardless, the goalpost will keep moving.
A parent and child share a human ancestor, a pitbull and a gray wolf share a gray wolf ancestor, just like how a human and another ape share an ape ancestor. And in the same way smarter humans can evolve from other humans--as is shown with the evolution of the "Homo sapien sapien" subspecies from the "Homo sapien" species--smarter apes can evolve from other apes. No one is saying humans are exactly the same as other apes, so of course there are differences; just like how there are differences between gibbons (a type of ape) and chimpanzees (another type of ape).

I haven't changed any goalposts here, I initially defined--and continue to define--"biological evolution" as "biological change over time". No one in this thread has been able to refute that. Instead, they've changed the subject to natural selection, whether humans are apes or monkeys, the usage of semantics, the observed macroevolution of fruit flies and bacteria, reductive evolution, Ernst Mayr's theory about hybridization between allopatric populations, whether humans are apes, and now the neurological differences between humans and other apes.
 
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bambu;4688843 said:
However, no new species.... let alone "proof" of evolution.....

Do you actually hold your breath and stamp your feet while posting to this thread?

To date your argument has been "evolution is not true because I say so" and "Evolution is not true because racist assholes tried to use it to justify their fucked up beliefs".

The first is empty and the second has nothing to do with the veracity of evolution. It is the same flawed argument my atheist friends make when the point out people have misused religion and God to do evil therefore religion and God are evil.

Several substantial posts have been made in this thread supporting evolution. Your own posts have added papers that support evolution. In the end most I think most readers of this thread realize you are holding an empty sack.

C'mon with the bullshit......

15 pages in this thread =

creationists 15

anti-creationists 0

To date my argument has held your miniscule understanding of evolution in check...

Lets's see....

Your fossil argument is garbage, your DNA argument is bogus and your plant evolution argument is a joke.....

The problem is every time your science does not work....

You make feeble attempts at continuing your argument based solely on feelings and a misunderstanding of either biology, paleontology, or genetics.....

Even now after you clearly have no rebuttal for your ignorance concerning the principles of plant reproduction, heredity and environmental stress.......

You continue on, pressing a quasi-evolution fantasy

Sure you are going to pick up some co-signs from individuals that are equally ignorant.......

However, anyone with a drop of scientific inquisition understands that your side is full of shit and only continues Darwin's "DREAM" in order to advance racism, oligarchy, and plutocracy.....

I am sure that your side will continue to front and act like you got the W with the aid of several dickriders and clowns.......

But we all know what really happened here......

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Jaded Righteousness;4690449 said:
waterproof;4687499 said:
LOL at jaded righteous co-signing on shit that he knows nothing about, ol blind following the blind ass descendant of a Ape. I mean least be a Man and stand on your own two, if you don't like that dude then fine but to just hit ether buttons on some shit because it sounds good then get blown out the water that's straight weak shit.

lol.. I've contributed more to this thread (which nobody has been able to dispute, by the way) than you have and have won most debates with you if not all; please, have a seat.

stop it please you won no debates at all against me, i already debated you on Gautama and you didn't win a damn thing.

now tell us what debate you won against me
 
@waterproof.....

Don't sweat that clown.....

He contributed nathan to this thread and has been getting sunned across the boards.....

If that fellow really had some gumption, he would elaborate on his quasi-evolution theory where this was not the outcome...

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But he can and will not because he is indeed jaded....

@Jaded Righteousness....
 
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