AndStep, Explain this.

[kids in america_]

Why can't I?

Why can’t the ‘god’ of “the bible” do what ‘he’ pleases with his ‘creation’?

 

[VIBE]

The old testament said it shall be followed til Heaven and Earth are gone, they are both still here so it is still in effect. Still must be done.

Listen, there is an Old Test. and a New Test. Things changed from old - new. You and I are not God, we cannot speak for God. God can do what he pleases, if he wants to change something then he can. God is God, He is our Creator. He does whatever he wants, period.

If you have a slave you can marry her, or she is sold to be a slave and married in return. Read the scripture, the shit is right there.

Okay? And?

No it dont.

It don't? You're the one that posted the verses for me to read, you posted Exodus for me to read. Here you go..

Exo 21:26

And if a man smite the eye of his servant, or the eye of his maid, that it perish; he shall let him go free for his eye's sake.

Exo 21:27

And if he smite out his manservant's tooth, or his maidservant's tooth; he shall let him go free for his tooth's sake.

So, what does that mean to you then? Do you read what you post? Or do you get your information else where? Really.

Yes because it cannot possibly be you who ever misunderstands a book and anything you say is right because you believe in the god in it.

How am I misunderstanding though? The verse says, "GIVE life for a life, hand for a hand, foot for a foot, tooth for a tooth". It says point blank GIVE, GIVE GIVE. Not take. You misread it or misunderstood it and that's fine and dandy. You're right, I believe our God in our bible.

So the ox and owner live but they pay a small fee, that's called slave trade. You kill my slave you pay me so I can buy another.

Exo 21:32

If the ox shall push a manservant or a maidservant; he shall give unto their master thirty shekels of silver, and the ox shall be stoned.

The ox shall still be stoned, killed, put to death etc. What are you complaining about? I don't see the negative in here. In ANY case if the Ox kills it will be KILLED.

You give your child a spanking and he dies two day later, and thats not severe? That's what it says, it's okay to kill them, just don't let them die the day of the beating. You didn't post anything to discredit what it says.

I'm not trying to discredit anything, I am actually putting it's okay to "punish" your manservant/womanservant for not obeying you. It asks them to obey, to fear your master as you fear God. To do with your heart in the Will of God.

The excuse for killing 98% of the animals?

Killing what 98%, those species were in an Ark. They all still, "survived". They re-populated the earth. So now what? Why keep 100 of the same species when you can keep 2, one male and one female and start over. God had it in order, it was perfect and worked out very well.

You do know that flood changed a lot of stuff right? A lot of stuff.

No it doesn't and no she looked back to look back and see what was going on.

Yes, she did look back to see what was going on but in her mind/heart she didn't want to leave, she wanted to go back. That's why I said, FIGURATIVELY as well. Don't believe me? Research it. He didn't destroy her because she JUST looked back, he knew her heart. He tested them, if they looked back they still wanted that life not a new one with God.

Yes the man that no one can see nor hear got angry again because someone said I dont believe you you need more people.

No, he was angry that he wasn't listening. So then he put hell down on them. Also, at the same time saying pretty much, "I AM GOD". He did say He didn't know the Lord, well he sure did then. So what though? If someone said you weren't who you were, you weren't a great fighter, you weren't a champ and you were, would you prove to them that you are? Sure would.

God never has made himself known, the guys who wrote the book are the ones who brought him to people.

Are you sure? So Moses and the burning bush never happened? When Jesus was baptized God didn't come down to Jesus? Read again.

Yes the bible teaches religion. For you to worship that one god and no others it would have to have its own religion.

No, it doesn't teach religion. Show me where it does and what it is called. Jesus didn't teach religion but the Word of His Father. What religion is that? Seeing as there's many, which one is right then?

So god just wanted stuff added to his book that people already know? Why did Constitine add that line, what's the significance?

No, God didn't just want to "add stuff". God explained a punishment, just like he always has. The significance is to understand this "punishment" and why and how.

Can you name some curses on men for Adam eating the fruit?

I don't remember reading a curse for men precisely, but we are cursed, all of us with sin, lust and whatever else you want to input.

Because the servants are slaves, the owners must take them.

But you said it was for Abrams people only.

Dude, this was a post fail from you. You came with many verses that you misinterpreted or didn't understand. Your responses to this were short, when you can argue you put down your verses and argue it. There's nothing here to argue anymore. I have countered all you put so far, I have shown you the good the bible has. You bring out all the negative ONE LINE verses. You do not read the previous or the afters to see WHY this has occurred. You have not seen the outcome of the verses you put down. That's how I can tell you haven't read them or if you did, you skimmed it. You're trying to post certain verses in negative light and in fairness to you, if anyone was to JUST read THAT ALONE, that is a negative line. When you read the rest though you find out the truth behind it.

Please bro, don't continue to deny God. God is real. You don't need a religion. You don't need that at all. You just need to repent, accept, believe and have faith. This isn't me being "Christian" this is me being a Man of GOD.

Don't be upset anymore bro, believe and follow. You can research but you will not prove the bible wrong, you've tried to do it with me and I proved you wrong so far.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Why can’t the ‘god’ of “the bible” do what ‘he’ pleases with his ‘creation’?

Your a bible freak son. The answer I have you aint tryin to hear so just quit askin. Again why cannot I not kill? Why can't someone kill their child, that is their creation?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Your a bible freak son. The answer I have you aint tryin to hear so just quit askin. Again why cannot I not kill? Why can't someone kill their child, that is their creation?

In what sense is it their creation? They didn't create the sperm or the egg, they just incubated it, especially when they came together and the woman incubated the baby.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Please bro, don't continue to deny God. God is real. You don't need a religion. You don't need that at all. You just need to repent, accept, believe and have faith. This isn't me being "Christian" this is me being a Man of GOD.

Don't be upset anymore bro, believe and follow. You can research but you will not prove the bible wrong, you've tried to do it with me and I proved you wrong so far.

Don't deny god, deny the bible and it's version of it.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

In what sense is it their creation? They didn't create the sperm or the egg, they just incubated it, especially when they came together and the woman incubated the baby.

They created it, without them it would not have been brought into life.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

They created it, without them it would not have been brought into life.

Okay, they incubated it into existence, but they took no part in the life that was already in the sperm and egg. The life was already in the sperm and egg, then fused to become one. They didn't create the life, they birthed it.

 

[VIBE]

Don't deny god, deny the bible and it's version of it.

Why deny the bible? People will and have tried to do this. They all failed. They try to brainwash the ones who read it to NOT follow it. The reason will be in the end when we see who the anti-christ is, when the things in Revelations comes true. One world currency and government. How does a bible speak of that in our future and it's being spoken of today? By Bush Sr.? By Clinton? You cannot deny that man. Even the littlest things can prove the bible true.

Why do you continue to struggle? You allow yourself to, you struggle with that corrupt AAT stuff.

The bible says we will tried to be pulled down, that none of this is true. That Jesus isn't the messiah. Even in their own times they did this and they do it today too.

I know you struggle, just like I did. I know you want to believe, just like I did. I didn't just say, "screw it I'll believe". It took a lot and long for this to happen and I can tell you I've never felt so good. It has nothing to do with me thinking, "I'm hell free". It's seriousness bro, it really is. I looked at people who said what I said and said, "how gay". It's the truth and the light and the way. Always has been.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Okay, they incubated it into existence, but they took no part in the life that was already in the sperm and egg. The life was already in the sperm and egg, then fused to become one. They didn't create the life, they birthed it.

So where does god create life?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Why deny the bible? People will and have tried to do this. They all failed. They try to brainwash the ones who read it to NOT follow it. The reason will be in the end when we see who the anti-christ is, when the things in Revelations comes true. One world currency and government. How does a bible speak of that in our future and it's being spoken of today? By Bush Sr.? By Clinton? You cannot deny that man. Even the littlest things can prove the bible true.

Why do you continue to struggle? You allow yourself to, you struggle with that corrupt AAT stuff.

The bible says we will tried to be pulled down, that none of this is true. That Jesus isn't the messiah. Even in their own times they did this and they do it today too.

I know you struggle, just like I did. I know you want to believe, just like I did. I didn't just say, "screw it I'll believe". It took a lot and long for this to happen and I can tell you I've never felt so good. It has nothing to do with me thinking, "I'm hell free". It's seriousness bro, it really is. I looked at people who said what I said and said, "how gay". It's the truth and the light and the way. Always has been.

Don't struggle Im comfortable with my beliefs.

But your right Im trying to brainwash you. I am the true antichrist, I am the father and founder of the Illuminati, I have been here since extraterrestrials vistited Earth and will be here long after my lord Satan destroys Jesus Christ... or Jesus of Nazareth... or the real guy Yeshua

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

So where does god create life?

In a shed out back.

I'd say all life is created from energy.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

In a shed out back.

I'd say all life is created from energy.

And you should know my serious answer would be the same as we have already discussed the energy topic

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

And you should know my serious answer would be the same as we have already discussed the energy topic

Yeah I know lol

 

[kids in america_]

Your a bible freak son.

Actually I'm a 'bible' super freak, to be exact.

The answer I have you aint tryin to hear so just quit askin.[/B] Again why cannot I not kill? Why can't someone kill their child, that is their creation?

I'll like to hear.

 

[VIBE]

Don't struggle Im comfortable with my beliefs.

But your right Im trying to brainwash you. I am the true antichrist, I am the father and founder of the Illuminati, I have been here since extraterrestrials vistited Earth and will be here long after my lord Satan destroys Jesus Christ... or Jesus of Nazareth... or the real guy Yeshua

I didn't say you were. I said they were, the people who try their hardest to debunk the bible. The people who try to dissect and ONLY pick out the NEGATIVE aspects, or what they THINK is. They try to fill the minds of believers with nonsense of non existence of God or Jesus. They, like YOU (on this part) and the rest here want HARDCORE, CONCRETE evidence. You want something you can physically LOOK at or TOUCH in your hands to PROVE anything. You want a blanket, a cross, something to PROVE it. Why though? It's the the retarded saying of, "Do you see air?", "No, but I know it exists, I'm alive and science yadda yadda yadda".

You're comfy with your beliefs? I beg to differ. I don't know you but according to your posts you're confused. First here, you believed. Then you weren't sure, you seen problems. Then you were SURE that you didn't believe. Now you possibly think this all has something to do with alien life?

You think alien life has created us, due to Noah and the Ark, that's where the "plan" came into play. Everything was working right. Okay sure, lets do it that way. How were alien life forms created? Actually, how was everything created? BBT? What in the BBT caused this? Was it a big giant rock that blew up?

 

[VIBE]

Chozen, this link you gave me

http://www.unholylegacy.woerlee.org/discrimination-of-women.php

Is very funny.

1. They point out all the punishments the women receive but do not explain why. How they got to the punishment. They just say it's unfair.

2. They make it seem bad that a woman must submit into her husband. So I take it a guy will do laundry, clean, cook, take care of the kids, do all the womanly duties then right? HA! I thought not. Why complain about something and you won't live it like that? I know not of ONE MALE friend or family member of mine that says, "Wife, go sit and I'll do this". NOT ONE. They all allow the woman to serve and cook. My friend swears that ALL WOMEN MUST DO THIS. ALL. And he's is VERY FAR from being a bible reader. My point, most males will have their wives serve them or do all the cleaning and cooking. MOST, not ALL. So why is it okay for that but not for the bible to say so? I'm sure the dude writing that has his wife serve him like so.

3. He doesn't understand what he's speaking of. He's taking something he thinks is NEGATIVE, like I stated before, and puts it into the light. Without explanation without reason he gives the verse and the reader doesn't understand what they're seeing. So in that case the reader will say, "Wow, that's jacked up". Not knowing the FULL story and reasons and punishments for SIN.

He gives no background to understand the posted scripture. He's only playing "negative man". He might fool others, not me.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

I didn't say you were. I said they were, the people who try their hardest to debunk the bible. The people who try to dissect and ONLY pick out the NEGATIVE aspects, or what they THINK is. They try to fill the minds of believers with nonsense of non existence of God or Jesus. They, like YOU (on this part) and the rest here want HARDCORE, CONCRETE evidence. You want something you can physically LOOK at or TOUCH in your hands to PROVE anything. You want a blanket, a cross, something to PROVE it. Why though? It's the the retarded saying of, "Do you see air?", "No, but I know it exists, I'm alive and science yadda yadda yadda".

You're comfy with your beliefs? I beg to differ. I don't know you but according to your posts you're confused. First here, you believed. Then you weren't sure, you seen problems. Then you were SURE that you didn't believe. Now you possibly think this all has something to do with alien life?

You think alien life has created us, due to Noah and the Ark, that's where the "plan" came into play. Everything was working right. Okay sure, lets do it that way. How were alien life forms created? Actually, how was everything created? BBT? What in the BBT caused this? Was it a big giant rock that blew up?

Didn't believe when I came here, I wanted to but through searching kept becoming more and more unsure that I would believe it. Now I don't think the bible is true, or the Quran, or any other book. You take it literal, I take it as a moral book.

I never said aliens created us. The best I've given was yes I believe somewhere in the universe there is other life, wether its complex or simple i have no idea. I believe the flood happened, just don't think it was god and a 1000 year old man buildin boats and having water balloon fights.

To answer the last part, Energy.

 

[VIBE]

To answer the last part, Energy.

Yes, energy. Where did the material to create everything come from? (which is why I said, "Big rock?")

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Yes, energy. Where did the material to create everything come from? (which is why I said, "Big rock?")

Energy. Energy is everything. From our understanding it cannot be created or destroyed, it is the ultimate creator and ultimate destroyer. It is what you would consider god, it created everything and will one day destroy everything. It manifest through things but can never be seen nor heard in its original form.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Yes, energy. Where did the material to create everything come from? (which is why I said, "Big rock?")

From energy. Everything is energy, you cannot name one thing that is not a form of energy. Out of energy comes different forms of energy, and out of that energy comes other forms of energy.