AndStep, Explain this.

[ThaChozenWun]

I dont take too kindly to hijacking a thread that was directed at me.

Lol, I replied to your post. You aint answered.

 

[KTULU IS BACK]

muhammad didnt do it, he just authorized another guy to do it.

lol at making excuses for mass beheadings and slavery in the name of religion

"they deserved it"

smh at you, you savage

 

[VIBE]

Anytime someone says, prove god exists, all you people come up with is "Prove he doesn't", in your case here, you said "Prove it doesn't". You said the bible means slaves who get paid, it says nowhere of them being paid. Now how can I prove it? Just that, its saying nowhere they were paid for their actions and it points toward them being slaves.

Making people work is something wrong. Forcing the children of slaves to remain slaves once their parents are free is wrong.

Exodus 21:2-6
"If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve: and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. If he came in by himself, he shall go out by himself: if he were married, then his wife shall go out with him. If his master have given him a wife, and she have born him sons or daughters; the wife and her children shall be her master's, and he shall go out by himself. And if the servant shall plainly say, I love my master, my wife, and my children; I will not go out free: Then his master shall bring him unto the judges; he shall also bring him to the door, or unto the door post; and his master shall bore his ear through with an aul; and he shall serve him forever."

By buying they are not saying, pay a slave to serve you. They are speaking of paying a slave trader for one of their slaves, you know the guys who capture people then sell them into slavery? A slave is to only serve 7 years, again not because of god, but because after 7 years the slave is tired and worn down and a new one is needed. For those that came in on their own, it doesnt mean, "Heya Boss let me be your slave". That means someone who came to the city on free will and was turned into a slve or someone who's actions forced him into it as punishment. Then it says if someone is given a wife by their owner (again something wrong, during black slavery this was called selective breeding), that the wife and children don't get to leave but must remain slaves. But you are given the option to leave without your family, or ask to remain a slave to be with them in which case he will have to go through a process of council decisions, and have a tag pierced into his earlobe to label him as so n so's property.

How is this not slavery again?

"And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished. Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money."

If a man strikes and kills his slave, he will be punished. This punishment is not god smiting people, it is losing your source of free work and losing your money.

And the last part the verse your speaking of is for Christian slaves only. If it is not a slave who follows that religion then the rules don't apply.

Bro, I never said prove anything. I said the bible doesn't say they cannot be paid or that they can. It's up to the owner, it says nothing but this here..

[And] if thy brother, an Hebrew man, or an Hebrew woman, be sold unto thee, and serve thee six years; then in the seventh year thou shalt let him go free from thee. And when thou sendest him out free from thee, thou shalt not let him go away empty: Thou shalt furnish him liberally out of thy flock, and out of thy floor, and out of thy winepress: [of that] wherewith the Lord thy God hath blessed thee thou shalt give unto him. And thou shalt remember that thou wast a bondman in the land of Egypt, and the Lord thy God redeemed thee: therefore I command thee this thing to day.

Deuteronomy 15:12-15

So there is your form of "payment" of sorts. I will stick with there is nothing wrong with slavery in the bible only. Why? Because it doesn't condone abuse, period. Any type. It says no sex slaves. Period. Point blank, we cannot argue that one. It says if an owner lays hand on a slave that results in death, a punishment will be dealt.

Where does the bible say one cannot obtain currency or gifts through the showing of their body? Prostitution yes but strippers or dancers no. Adultery has nothing to do with strippers. If you consider a married man watchin a girl dance topless as adultery fine, but even without a stripper the man will find enjoyment elsewhere and therefore the stripper is not liable for the offense.

SMH fuck out of here with this. Men are constantly on a trip about our bodies, our manliness, our actions, how other perceive us etc...
It is not weak minded as much as it is fear.

In Roman 3:22-24 I think it says both women and mens sins are treated as equal, then why are women being punished more? You yourself have shown this evidence already and played it off as "Well she did eat the apple first" before you ask for the evidence go read your own quotes.

1st line: You were clothed for a reason. A women dancing lustfully for money = a sin. Your body is the temple of God, you should treat it as so.

1 Cor 6:

19 Or do you not know that your body is the temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and you are not your own?
20 For you were bought at a price. Therefore glorify God with your body

Stripping is not apart of that. Dancing is fine and dandy, just not in the ways of a stripper.

Matthew 18:

6 “But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in me to sin, it would be better for him to have a huge millstone hung around his neck and to be drowned in the open sea

Women cause men to sin a lot. They cause then to lust for them and have sex with them. We are MEN, especially men who aren't true men of God will fall into this temptation. I haven't physically but mentally yes. All do, period. There's no helping it. We are VERY weak with flesh. Women cause that. Period bro.

1 Thess 5:

22 Stay away from every form of evil.

Evil is stripping, it leads to sexual sin. Anything sinful in nature is evil in nature. Cannot argue that.

You say that men mistreat women, yes they do. Does God? No. Man was made first, therefore a woman shall honor him. There's a verse for that. Your Romans verse, you'll have to find that for me, I looked at it but don't see it saying that woman/man sin is the same. I don't doubt you, because I do believe all sin is the same no matter who you are.

Lastly, the "christian slaves" does it say that? "Christian Slaves"? Why do you use that title?

 

[VIBE]

Anyway, what else besides slavery and women are negative about the bible?

 

[And Step]

lol at making excuses for mass beheadings and slavery in the name of religion

"they deserved it"

smh at you, you savage

It was wartime, son.

What? If you at war and someone conspires with your enemy causing you to lose lives of men, women, and children. Your gonna invite them over for bluefish pate' and crackers?

Like Snoop said, you knew the job was dangerous when you took it.

Your blind and unreasonable and you don't like to hear truth when it goes against your unsupported opinions.

I realize you have an ax to grind with this whole God/Religion thing, but at least try to be objective.

I mean you go out of your way to make excuses, as you say, to defend the millions that were slaughtered by communist for their refusal to accept their "religion".

Extend the same courtesy, my man.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

First off I want to get back to the slavery real quick. Did you not read the passage? It is fine to beat a slave to death so long as he doesn't die on the first day. How is that treating them good?

Anyway, what else besides slavery and women are negative about the bible?

God Massive Killing or Killing caused by God

1. Already talked about all women suffering because of only one woman's faults.

2. Genesis 4:2-8. God choosing sides and preferring Able to Cain is the reason the murder happened.

3. Genesis 6:11-17, 7:11-24. Not because of all men, but because a smaller group of them God decides to kill every single living thing on Earth no matter what. Except Noah and his family. Mass Murder at it's finest. I know you'll be all "BUT NOAH WAS PURE, HE WAS NOT TAINTED BY EVIL IT SAYS SO" Not every single thing deserved to die.

4. Gensis 19:26. Lots Wife, God told her not to look back, she did and he killed her. Okay she disobeyed, women in that time should have known to listen. But she didn't. But why kill her? Would her seeing the destruction have been less good than bad? I think had she seen what was happening she would have been scared shitless and been a true follower and even helped to get gods name out there. IMO this was a nuke and the real reason she died but whatever. Still God killing for no good reason. Many women have been killed for doing the same by their husbands, and I would put money a few them got the killer dna from readin passages like this.

5. "BUT GOD KILLS FOR GOOD REASONS IF YOU COULDN'T SEE FROM READING THOSE!!!!!"
HMMMMM No! He Kills because he displays human emotions and catches feelings because he's a diva.
Exodus 7:1, 14, 9:14-16, 10:1-2, 11:7 The purpose of the devastation that God brings to the Egyptians is as follows:
to show that he is Lord;
to show that there is none like him in all the earth;
to show his great power;
to cause his name to be declared throughout the earth;
to give the Israelites something to talk about with their children;
to show that he makes a distinction between Israel and Egypt.

I could post 100000 fuckin things but it aint heard to pick out a single page and find something overly murderous.

And you are not an original Israelite, you should fear god because if the Bible is true as you claim you're fucked. Anything not from Israel aka Israelite he don't like you and will murder you in masses.

Problems that save lives.

1. We have the ability to save lives or cure paraplegics by searching things like stem cell research, we could possibly grow new limbs for people through cloning. However because of religious freaks, we have trouble getting grants and loans to study in these fields.

2. In Genesis 3:16 it says a woman must suffer through childbirth. Because of this woman have acually died from intense pain from refusing anesthesia. Many churches oppose woman who use it also simply because of this verse. Why should a woman have to suffer when man has discovered a way that she doesn't have to?

Land Ownership

1. Genesis 15:18 Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, and part of Iraq belong to the Jews only. So god picks out property and says these are the only people allowed to be here. Awesome.

Again with the Egypt shit children are once again held responsible for their grown up parents actions. Perhaps you should become homeless and give a black man your house since your ancestors were slave owners Vibe, I mean, that's what god would like you to do, take responsibility for their fuck ups.

1. Every Child should be punished if his parents refuse to have him circumcised. Yes because when a child is born he better tell his parent like it is, because if they fail to do something it is absolutely his fault for not speaking up on the matter.

POLYGAMY IS GREAT!

1. Polygamy is accepted and condoned all throughout the bible. GE 31:17, GE 36:6, DT 21:15, JG 8:30, SA 5:13, KI 11:3, CH 14:3, CH 11:21, 13:21 Why covet thy neighbors wife when you can have 40 of your own!

If your brother dies, you better impregnate his wife

1. Genesis 38: 8-10

If you owe money, sell your daughter to be a slave, and sorry lil girl, but you become a male slave and cannot be released after six years.
1. Exodus 21 :7-11
And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.

If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.

And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.

If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.

And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.

The bible says, Christian slaves do not act out against your slave owner, for whatever he does to you doesn't matter because he will meet god later in life.

SMH @ God being confused about this because clearly in Exodus 21:23-25 and Leviticus 24:17-21 he says an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth etc.. Seems to me like he doesn't know whether you should accept being a slave or fight back.

Vibe - "Slaves are treated like everyone else. They weren't treated like nothing" Hmmmm Ox kills man = Ox dies __________________ Ox kills man before and then again = both ox and owner die _________________ Ox gores and kills slave = fuck it pay the slaves owner 30 sheckles to recoup what he paid for the slave and call it even. Where does it say this? Right this way -------------->Exodus 21:28-32

LMAO Want more?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

It was wartime, son.

What? If you at war and someone conspires with your enemy causing you to lose lives of men, women, and children. Your gonna invite them over for bluefish pate' and crackers?

Like Snoop said, you knew the job was dangerous when you took it.

Your blind and unreasonable and you don't like to hear truth when it goes against your unsupported opinions.

I realize you have an ax to grind with this whole God/Religion thing, but at least try to be objective.

I mean you go out of your way to make excuses, as you say, to defend the millions that were slaughtered by communist for their refusal to accept their "religion".

Extend the same courtesy, my man.

So in a time of war its okay to slaughter.

Do you take issue with Americans blowing the shit out of innocent Iraqi's and Afghans because its a warzone?

 

[VIBE]

That was a sloppy post, there's too much going on. It's gonna take me a while to sort through that. I read it, I have my arguments but dang dude take it easy. Lets just sort it out by subject, it's easier to keep up. You seem mad today. lol seriously you do

*I'll get back to this later tonight, I have things to do right now. What I read, I'll keep in mind.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

That was a sloppy post, there's too much going on. It's gonna take me a while to sort through that. I read it, I have my arguments but dang dude take it easy. Lets just sort it out by subject, it's easier to keep up. You seem mad today. lol seriously you do

*I'll get back to this later tonight, I have things to do right now. What I read, I'll keep in mind.

Bolded = Subject or initial claim as to why its bad
Under the bolded aka the unbolded provides the verse that explains or support what I said in the bolded.

But yea I tried to hurry n rushed through it Im buildin cabinets in my kitchen and trying to fuck around on here and get em built at the same time

 

[ThaChozenWun]

In due fairness, The Bible does specifically say to follow the Laws of the Land.

So would it be unfair to say that nearly everything you listed, is no longer legal today?

For instance, the bible clearly says that slavery is fine and for us to be the best slave we can be if that's what God made you as, here on Earth.

At the same time, it says to follow the laws of the Land to override that, I would think. Meaning, be the best slave you can be...but if Slavery is illegal in your Land? Then I would think that is pretty cut and dry, that no one will be slaves. True?

...just saying...

I don't take the bible in that literal sense. I'm only arguing it with Vibe because he thinks it's all real stories and it all happened. But to your point yea the old laws would be over ridden, but the old testament also says to follow it completely until the heavens and earth are no more. Well Earth is still here and I don't see heaven dying because it houses people for eternity. So should you follow laws of the land, or the OT since we are still on this planet?

 

[VIBE]

First off I want to get back to the slavery real quick. Did you not read the passage? It is fine to beat a slave to death so long as he doesn't die on the first day. How is that treating them good?

Servants, be obedient to them that are [your] masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;

Ephesians 6:5-6

Be obedient to them! With FEAR and TREMBLING. This doesn't mean that an owner is MEAN. Because it was said that they shouldn't kill them. If they aren't obedient, being stubborn then the "punishment" of a "beating" is issued. Not to the point of death or bleeding, just like a "spanking". Your children do not listen, you send them off to their room. Some parents spank, some don't. Same idea.

God Massive Killing or Killing caused by God

1. Already talked about all women suffering because of only one woman's faults.

2. Genesis 4:2-8. God choosing sides and preferring Able to Cain is the reason the murder happened.

3. Genesis 6:11-17, 7:11-24. Not because of all men, but because a smaller group of them God decides to kill every single living thing on Earth no matter what. Except Noah and his family. Mass Murder at it's finest. I know you'll be all "BUT NOAH WAS PURE, HE WAS NOT TAINTED BY EVIL IT SAYS SO" Not every single thing deserved to die.

4. Gensis 19:26. Lots Wife, God told her not to look back, she did and he killed her. Okay she disobeyed, women in that time should have known to listen. But she didn't. But why kill her? Would her seeing the destruction have been less good than bad? I think had she seen what was happening she would have been scared shitless and been a true follower and even helped to get gods name out there. IMO this was a nuke and the real reason she died but whatever. Still God killing for no good reason. Many women have been killed for doing the same by their husbands, and I would put money a few them got the killer dna from readin passages like this.

5. "BUT GOD KILLS FOR GOOD REASONS IF YOU COULDN'T SEE FROM READING THOSE!!!!!"

HMMMMM No! He Kills because he displays human emotions and catches feelings because he's a diva.

Exodus 7:1, 14, 9:14-16, 10:1-2, 11:7 The purpose of the devastation that God brings to the Egyptians is as follows:

to show that he is Lord;

to show that there is none like him in all the earth;

to show his great power;

to cause his name to be declared throughout the earth;

to give the Israelites something to talk about with their children;

to show that he makes a distinction between Israel and Egypt.

1. Okay.

2. Abel sacrificed an animal, Cain sacrificed food. Am I right? In the OT it required animal sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins. No shedding blood (animal sacrifice, no forgiveness of sin)



Lev 4:35

And he shall take away all the fat thereof, as the fat of the lamb is taken away from the sacrifice of the peace offerings; and the priest shall burn them upon the altar, according to the offerings made by fire unto the Lord: and the priest shall make an atonement for his sin that he hath committed, and it shall be forgiven him.

Abel did what was said, brought the fat forth of his first born from the flock. That was the forgiveness for his sin. Cain didn't, he brought forth fruit. God asks Cain what is wrong. Then says:

Genesis 4:7

If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? and if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee [shall be] his desire, and thou shalt rule over him.

If he did well with his offering, it would've been accepted. He didn't so sin still lies at his door. God lets him know. Cain becomes angry and kills his brother on HIS own. God never told him to, God never wanted him to. God isn't "choosing" sides to "favor" one PERSON but for the OFFERING that was GIVEN. That is the ONLY reason. If Cain would've offered what Abel did and Abel what Cain did, God would've accepted Cain's and not Abel's. Do not misunderstand that bro. It is easy to read and understand that.

3. Not a small group, ALL FLESH WAS CORRUPT.

Gen 6:12

And God looked upon the earth, and, behold, it was corrupt; for all flesh had corrupted his way upon the earth.

It clearly says, FOR ALL FLESH HAD CORRUPTED HIS WAY UPON THE EARTH. It doesn't specify a SMALL group. Where did you get small group from??

4. Lot didn't just "disobey" she did more than that. Looking back she is looking back upon not wanting to leave her old life behind. God was giving her a new life, God had mercy on Lot and his family. This verse here states:

Gen 19:

17. And it came to pass, when they had brought them forth abroad, that he said, Escape for thy life; look not behind thee, neither stay thou in all the plain; escape to the mountain, lest thou be consumed.

In which means do not look back on your old life, do not look back wanting to have your old life back. That city was full of sin, sexual sin. Lot's wife looked back with that feeling of being lost. "ESCAPE FOR THEY LIFE: LOOK NOT BEHIND THEE" escape for your life, to live, to leave your old life and do not look behind. Both figuratively and literally.

5. The Pharaoh questioned and said, "Who is the Lord?" Then says he doesn't know the Lord and will not let His people go. Over and over was this said, to "let His people go" and Pharaoh didn't.

23. For since I came to Pharaoh to speak in thy name, he hath done evil to this people; neither hast thou delivered thy people at all.



So God made himself known. If it would've been done in the first place everything would've been okay. That is not the PURPOSE, of what you listed. The purpose was what the Pharaoh didn't follow. That purpose caused what effects were thrown upon Egypt. God didn't randomly pick and say, "AHA! You shall see my wrath for no apparent reason!!" You seem to not read the rest before or after and just pick certain verses to make God evil. You need to research as to WHY, HOW etc.

Problems that save lives.

1. We have the ability to save lives or cure paraplegics by searching things like stem cell research, we could possibly grow new limbs for people through cloning. However because of religious freaks, we have trouble getting grants and loans to study in these fields.

2. In Genesis 3:16 it says a woman must suffer through childbirth. Because of this woman have acually died from intense pain from refusing anesthesia. Many churches oppose woman who use it also simply because of this verse. Why should a woman have to suffer when man has discovered a way that she doesn't have to?

1. Can you find for me where it is forbidden to do such a thing? To save lives? That's RELIGIOUS freaks. The bible doesn't teach a religion bro. I've yet so far to come across a verse where it forbids this type of stuff. It's the peoples own ideas. I mean I haven't gone FRONT to BACK with the bible. So if you know of a verse, post it.

2. Okay, Genesis 3:16. Idiots misinterpret. It doesn't say, "YOU MUST go through suffering" but that they will suffer.

gen 3:16

Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.

Another misinterpretation by religious freaks. A woman shall suffer child birth because EVE ate the fruit that was forbidden. That was the "curse". She opened that door. It doesn't say "you MUST" suffer. My wife took things to help her relax and feel no pain, *shrugs* SO WHAT! LOL

Land Ownership

1. Genesis 15:18 Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Lebanon, Syria, Yemen, and part of Iraq belong to the Jews only. So god picks out property and says these are the only people allowed to be here. Awesome.

Again with the Egypt shit children are once again held responsible for their grown up parents actions. Perhaps you should become homeless and give a black man your house since your ancestors were slave owners Vibe, I mean, that's what god would like you to do, take responsibility for their fuck ups.

1. Every Child should be punished if his parents refuse to have him circumcised. Yes because when a child is born he better tell his parent like it is, because if they fail to do something it is absolutely his fault for not speaking up on the matter.

1. It wasn't ONLY for his people. It just states this:

Gen 15:18

In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

It doesn't specify no others shall live here. Unless I'm missing it from else where. I mean one of them has a servant, an Egyptian servant. Why is that servant allowed to be there if it's only for HIS people? As for the rest that you posted, you specified no verses so I am now confused to what you're referring to.

 

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POLYGAMY IS GREAT!

1. Polygamy is accepted and condoned all throughout the bible. GE 31:17, GE 36:6, DT 21:15, JG 8:30, SA 5:13, KI 11:3, CH 14:3, CH 11:21, 13:21 Why covet thy neighbors wife when you can have 40 of your own!

If your brother dies, you better impregnate his wife

1. Genesis 38: 8-10

If you owe money, sell your daughter to be a slave, and sorry lil girl, but you become a male slave and cannot be released after six years.

1. Exodus 21 :7-11

And if a man sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the menservants do.

If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.

And if he have betrothed her unto his son, he shall deal with her after the manner of daughters.

If he take him another wife; her food, her raiment, and her duty of marriage, shall he not diminish.

And if he do not these three unto her, then shall she go out free without money.

The bible says, Christian slaves do not act out against your slave owner, for whatever he does to you doesn't matter because he will meet god later in life.

SMH @ God being confused about this because clearly in Exodus 21:23-25 and Leviticus 24:17-21 he says an eye for an eye, tooth for a tooth etc.. Seems to me like he doesn't know whether you should accept being a slave or fight back.

Exodus 21:28-32

1. In the OLD TEST. it was accepted. In the NEW it wasn't. I will have to research before I go further with this. But that is my answer for now. WHY did it change? Like I said, I will have to study to see why. It was changed.

2. LOL Judas of all people says this, not God. God was displeased period. Can you show me where God says to impregnate the brothers wife? Because what you did was assume since he didn't impregnate her, God was upset for THAT reason.

3. Then the following says:



Exo 21:8

If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.

Which states they are married. A maidservant = a woman servant, meaning she does all the cleaning, cooking, whatever else. Where do you get, "slave" from? A woman's role in the bible is to be the wife, to be the wife you do all what I said, cleaning, cooking etc. That isn't being a "slave" per say. She's married to him now, so she is the wife and not a slave. She serves the husband, the bible says a woman shall respect and honor the husband.

4. It says if an owner is to lay hand on his slave and causes him great injury basically, then that slave is to be set free.

Also it says "If any mischief follow, you shall GIVE life for a life" not TAKE. That puts a different meaning. Give your life if you take a life, give your eye if you take an eye. Etc. It is not telling another person to do so to him because he did it. It is letting you know, God will do this to you. Again, you either misunderstand or assume bro.

The ox thing. Regardless, the ox dies. If the ox escapes, hence the "not keep him in" part and kill someone, then the owner shall too die because of irresponsibility. It says if it kills anyone, son or daughter etc etc then the ox will die. If it kills a man/woman servant, then the price of that servant will be paid to the owner.

You need to research and study the scripture bro, it explains it there. You took it out of context.

Want more? Sure.

 

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Had to make 2 posts, it was over the character limit.

 

[And Step]

So in a time of war its okay to slaughter.

Do you take issue with Americans blowing the shit out of innocent Iraqi's and Afghans because its a warzone?

No, I don't condone killing innocent people. But the people we were discussing were not innocent.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

No, I don't condone killing innocent people. But the people we were discussing were not innocent.

I'm sure there were some innocent people beheaded and stabbed during the entire saga. It's war, innocent people become casualties, from Muhammad ordering hits, to Bush killing for daddy, to Jamal shooting up the block, to white people going nuts at the job.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Vibe I'll get back into this with you in a couple of hours I gotta finish these cabinets while my kids up.

 

[kids in america_]

First off I want to get back to the slavery real quick. Did you not read the passage? It is fine to beat a slave to death so long as he doesn't die on the first day. How is that treating them good?

God Massive Killing or Killing caused by God

1. Already talked about all women suffering because of only one woman's faults.

2. Genesis 4:2-8. God choosing sides and preferring Able to Cain is the reason the murder happened.

3. Genesis 6:11-17, 7:11-24. Not because of all men, but because a smaller group of them God decides to kill every single living thing on Earth no matter what. Except Noah and his family. Mass Murder at it's finest. I know you'll be all "BUT NOAH WAS PURE, HE WAS NOT TAINTED BY EVIL IT SAYS SO" Not every single thing deserved to die.

4. Gensis 19:26. Lots Wife, God told her not to look back, she did and he killed her. Okay she disobeyed, women in that time should have known to listen. But she didn't. But why kill her? Would her seeing the destruction have been less good than bad? I think had she seen what was happening she would have been scared shitless and been a true follower and even helped to get gods name out there. IMO this was a nuke and the real reason she died but whatever. Still God killing for no good reason. Many women have been killed for doing the same by their husbands, and I would put money a few them got the killer dna from readin passages like this.

5. "BUT GOD KILLS FOR GOOD REASONS IF YOU COULDN'T SEE FROM READING THOSE!!!!!"
HMMMMM No! He Kills because he displays human emotions and catches feelings because he's a diva.
Exodus 7:1, 14, 9:14-16, 10:1-2, 11:7 The purpose of the devastation that God brings to the Egyptians is as follows:
to show that he is Lord;
to show that there is none like him in all the earth;
to show his great power;
to cause his name to be declared throughout the earth;
to give the Israelites something to talk about with their children;
to show that he makes a distinction between Israel and Egypt.

I could post 100000 fuckin things but it aint heard to pick out a single page and find something overly murderous.

And you are not an original Israelite, you should fear god because if the Bible is true as you claim you're fucked. Anything not from Israel aka Israelite he don't like you and will murder you in masses.

Why can’t ‘god’ kill people?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Servants, be obedient to them that are [your] masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, as unto Christ; Not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but as the servants of Christ, doing the will of God from the heart;

Ephesians 6:5-6

Be obedient to them! With FEAR and TREMBLING. This doesn't mean that an owner is MEAN. Because it was said that they shouldn't kill them. If they aren't obedient, being stubborn then the "punishment" of a "beating" is issued. Not to the point of death or bleeding, just like a "spanking". Your children do not listen, you send them off to their room. Some parents spank, some don't. Same idea.

You give your child a spanking and he dies two day later, and thats not severe? That's what it says, it's okay to kill them, just don't let them die the day of the beating. You didn't post anything to discredit what it says.

3. Not a small group, ALL FLESH WAS CORRUPT.[/B][/I]

The excuse for killing 98% of the animals?

4. Lot didn't just "disobey" she did more than that. Looking back she is looking back upon not wanting to leave her old life behind. God was giving her a new life, God had mercy on Lot and his family. This verse here states:[/B][/I]

In which means do not look back on your old life, do not look back wanting to have your old life back. That city was full of sin, sexual sin. Lot's wife looked back with that feeling of being lost. "ESCAPE FOR THEY LIFE: LOOK NOT BEHIND THEE" escape for your life, to live, to leave your old life and do not look behind. Both figuratively and literally.

No it doesn't and no she looked back to look back and see what was going on.

5. The Pharaoh questioned and said, "Who is the Lord?" Then says he doesn't know the Lord and will not let His people go. Over and over was this said, to "let His people go" and Pharaoh didn't.

Yes the man that no one can see nor hear got angry again because someone said I dont believe you you need more people.

So God made himself known. If it would've been done in the first place everything would've been okay. That is not the PURPOSE, of what you listed. The purpose was what the Pharaoh didn't follow. That purpose caused what effects were thrown upon Egypt. God didn't randomly pick and say, "AHA! You shall see my wrath for no apparent reason!!" You seem to not read the rest before or after and just pick certain verses to make God evil. You need to research as to WHY, HOW etc.

God never has made himself known, the guys who wrote the book are the ones who brought him to people.

1. Can you find for me where it is forbidden to do such a thing? To save lives? That's RELIGIOUS freaks. The bible doesn't teach a religion bro. I've yet so far to come across a verse where it forbids this type of stuff. It's the peoples own ideas. I mean I haven't gone FRONT to BACK with the bible. So if you know of a verse, post it.

Yes the bible teaches religion. For you to worship that one god and no others it would have to have its own religion.

2. Okay, Genesis 3:16. Idiots misinterpret. It doesn't say, "YOU MUST go through suffering" but that they will suffer.

So god just wanted stuff added to his book that people already know? Why did Constitine add that line, what's the significance?

Another misinterpretation by religious freaks. A woman shall suffer child birth because EVE ate the fruit that was forbidden. That was the "curse". She opened that door. It doesn't say "you MUST" suffer. My wife took things to help her relax and feel no pain, *shrugs* SO WHAT! LOL

Can you name some curses on men for Adam eating the fruit?

It doesn't specify no others shall live here. Unless I'm missing it from else where. I mean one of them has a servant, an Egyptian servant. Why is that servant allowed to be there if it's only for HIS people? As for the rest that you posted, you specified no verses so I am now confused to what you're referring to. [/B][/I]

Because the servants are slaves, the owners must take them.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Why can’t ‘god’ kill people?

Why can't I?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

1. In the OLD TEST. it was accepted. In the NEW it wasn't. I will have to research before I go further with this. But that is my answer for now. WHY did it change? Like I said, I will have to study to see why. It was changed.

The old testament said it shall be followed til Heaven and Earth are gone, they are both still here so it is still in effect.

2. LOL Judas of all people says this, not God. God was displeased period. Can you show me where God says to impregnate the brothers wife? Because what you did was assume since he didn't impregnate her, God was upset for THAT reason.

Still must be done.

3. Then the following says:

Exo 21:8

If she please not her master, who hath betrothed her to himself, then shall he let her be redeemed: to sell her unto a strange nation he shall have no power, seeing he hath dealt deceitfully with her.

Which states they are married. A maidservant = a woman servant, meaning she does all the cleaning, cooking, whatever else. Where do you get, "slave" from? A woman's role in the bible is to be the wife, to be the wife you do all what I said, cleaning, cooking etc. That isn't being a "slave" per say. She's married to him now, so she is the wife and not a slave. She serves the husband, the bible says a woman shall respect and honor the husband.

If you have a slave you can marry her, or she is sold to be a slave and married in return. Read the scripture, the shit is right there.

4. It says if an owner is to lay hand on his slave and causes him great injury basically, then that slave is to be set free.

No it dont.

Also it says "If any mischief follow, you shall GIVE life for a life" not TAKE. That puts a different meaning. Give your life if you take a life, give your eye if you take an eye. Etc. It is not telling another person to do so to him because he did it. It is letting you know, God will do this to you. Again, you either misunderstand or assume bro.

Yes because it cannot possibly be you who ever misunderstands a book and anything you say is right because you believe in the god in it.

The ox thing. Regardless, the ox dies. If the ox escapes, hence the "not keep him in" part and kill someone, then the owner shall too die because of irresponsibility. It says if it kills anyone, son or daughter etc etc then the ox will die. If it kills a man/woman servant, then the price of that servant will be paid to the owner.

So the ox and owner live but they pay a small fee, that's called slave trade. You kill my slave you pay me so I can buy another.

You need to research and study the scripture bro, it explains it there. You took it out of context.

Want more? Sure.

I've researched and have read it multiple times, I went and studied hebrew to re-read it to be sure it was real. It's not, thats how I feel. You read it differently because you want to believe in it, you feel you have to believe in it. Your afraid to question it. Your "reading" of scripture will always fall in your favor because you work way around it and say "Yea yea i know what it says, but it means _____________"