Andre 3k is top 10 even if he never raps again or never drops a solo album

[Treize117]

"Here's the order of my list that it's in,

It goes Reggie, Jay-Z, Tupac and Biggie, Andre from Outkast, Jada, Kurupt, Nas, and then Me"

-Eminem

"I got the usual suspects, you know...Big, Pac, Scarface, Eminem, and Andre 3000. Off of the top of my head right now would be my top 5"

-Jay-Z

"I mean of all time— If I did one for [the] South MCs I would say— Top five of all time, it’s 3000"

-Scarface

Noticing a trend here? lol

 

[Brian B.]

The idea that he should even be in the discussion without a catalog of solo projects makes no sense. Outkast is counting them both because it acknowledges that he did not do all the work alone and had a partner. That's like counting only ONE of the Beatles for the group's work. Andre 3000 is counting them as a single entity. As a single entity, Andre has one single alternative hip-hop album...how can you consider him top 10 alone when his verses came as part of a duo? It requires LESS to do that than to do a solo. Til then, he's not in the discussion. Outkast, as a unit is. Andre as a single entity, no.

Re-read what fam said.... i couldnt have said it any better. It is a disrespect to put him in the same ranks as pac, big, nas, hov, big l, kane, Em, cube, rakim, LL and he has no solo career/album & hasnt proven himself. 3 stacks is overrated B, sure hes got incredible lyrical prowesses but top 10 ? No. if we were saying top 10 niggas that can spit a verse sure theres a case there. But top 10 of all time GTFOH LOLOL. as a group Big Boi compliments him & vice versa which is why it can be said that Outkast as a group can fulfill the criteria of being top 10 but individually ? think about this rite.... where would Ice Cold be w/o Big Boi ? or why isnt Big Boi a candidate for top 10 GOATs ?

Or I could say how about Mobb Deep, how come Hav aint considered one of the best lyricists to do it but P at one point was hailed as 1 of the best rappers of his time ? we can say that Mobb Deep (or Outkast) has a case for being top 10 as a group b/c musically as a duo they compliment each other & made an impact as a group, turning each other's weaknesses into strengths and being able to vibe off each other - without that theyre obsolete tho. But every group always has that one stand out member that has a strength over the other. Big Boi may not be as good a lyricist as 3 stacks but his writing skills & love of soul music combined w/ Andre's swagger & lyrics makes for a recipe for success. The same could be said for the Wu, Mobb Deep & other groups. Sure P can rap forever but w/o Hav's gritty production & talent of conceptualizing P woulda just been 'another rapper' cuz hes not strong there. He woulda dropped an album it wouldve bricked & wed never know of Mobb Deep. For the Wu, RZA was present on all their solo releases & helped define their style by giving Wu that co-sign. Big Boi does the same for Andre & Dre for Big Boi but as a solo act, he simply doesnt have a viable argument as to WHY he should be top 10. He needs an album, he needs to define a position & he needs to make an impact. He has to show & prove then ill stfu LOL. Great lyricist but not a good solo act. Cee-Lo does what Andre tries to be much better. Andre 3000 hasnt solidified that his qualities as a solo act put him in the same rank as the Top 10 Greatest of All Time. If it were that easy niggas like Papoose, Krayzie Bone, Prodigy would all have a place on there.

again, how can you say Kast is top 10 but, individually they're not? that makes no sense

"Here's the order of my list that it's in,

It goes Reggie, Jay-Z, Tupac and Biggie, Andre from Outkast, Jada, Kurupt, Nas, and then Me"

-Eminem

"I got the usual suspects, you know...Big, Pac, Scarface, Eminem, and Andre 3000. Off of the top of my head right now would be my top 5"

-Jay-Z

"I mean of all time— If I did one for [the] South MCs I would say— Top five of all time, it’s 3000"

-Scarface

Noticing a trend here? lol

I was jus bout to post Til I Collapse

 

[BobOblah]

"Here's the order of my list that it's in,
It goes Reggie, Jay-Z, Tupac and Biggie, Andre from Outkast, Jada, Kurupt, Nas, and then Me"

-Eminem

"I got the usual suspects, you know...Big, Pac, Scarface, Eminem, and Andre 3000. Off of the top of my head right now would be my top 5"

-Jay-Z

"I mean of all time— If I did one for [the] South MCs I would say— Top five of all time, it’s 3000"

-Scarface

Noticing a trend here? lol

Not that this is a real argument, but I'll add on anyway for the hell of it

Big K.R.I.T and Killer Mike both put Andre 3000 in their AHH top 5 DOA
Kweli & Mos Def called him top 5 as well

none of them seemed to have a problem thinking about 3000 as an individual

 

[JokerzWyld]

biggie had to classic SOLO albums

....and Andre has arguably 3 classic albums in a group which he wrote and produced material. Solo album or no solo album, Andre has MORE material with MORE substance. He's sold MORE records. He's had a greater impact on hip hop and his peers. So back to the original question: Why is Biggie considered top 10 with less material, substance, record sales, & talent (admittedly arguable) than Andre 3000???? I'll wait.

 

[AldrichAmes]

Jeez yall niggas love to dance around the point.

The point isnt that Andre is to Outkast what Jimi was to the Jimi Hendrix Experience, or that he was what John Lennon was to the Beatles. The point is that just because someone is a member of a group or band doesnt mean they can't be evaluated on their individual merits or contributions to the group, as in the previous examples. It happens all the time. Just because Andre hasnt dropped solo material doesnt take away from the significance of the work he put out, even in the context of a group. Seriously, it makes no sense to say he cant be considered great based on his material with Outkast, just cuz Big Boi was a part of it too. That doesnt diminish the significance of his personal contribution.

The point is you don't have one and you are terrible at picking examples. Jimi was the leader of the band (hence the reason it was named after him) and Lennon did something that Dre has yet to do...have a solo career. When was the last time you Andre rap over the course of an entire song by himself? How many solo rap songs does Andre even have?

It's not that I'm diminishing the significance of his personal contribution, it's that I'm saying it's ridiculous to hold a guy in a group with such high regard over solo artists who...well...actually have an individual body of work. It's even more ridiculous considering this "Andre is top 5" trend didn't happen until a couple rappers said so. Same thing happened when Wayne said he was the best rapper alive. It's the lack of individual thought and copycatism in hip hop that never ceases to amaze me and this thread is testimony to that.

 

[Treize117]

The point is you don't have one and you are terrible at picking examples. Jimi was the leader of the band (hence the reason it was named after him) and Lennon did something that Dre has yet to do...have a solo career. When was the last time you Andre rap over the course of an entire song by himself? How many solo rap songs does Andre even have?



It's not that I'm diminishing the significance of his personal contribution, it's that I'm saying it's ridiculous to hold a guy in a group with such high regard over solo artists who...well...actually have an individual body of work. It's even more ridiculous considering this "Andre is top 5" trend didn't happen until a couple rappers said so. Same thing happened when Wayne said he was the best rapper alive. It's the lack of individual thought and copycatism in hip hop that never ceases to amaze me and this thread is testimony to that.

Wow...

Is it that I dont have a point or that ur just not getting it? In the post you just quoted I said, SPECIFICALLY, that the comparison wasnt meant to imply that Andre had the same or comparable role in Outkast that Jimi or John Lennon had in their respective groups. Ima spell it out one more time: The POINT is that they are both recognized as outstanding individual artists based primarily on the work they did as part of a group/band. This is not an opinion. It is a fact. The same thing can be said of Andre 3000 given his role in Outkast. He is considered elite based on the outstanding quality of work he did within the context of the group he was in.

And what's funny to me is that with all yall niggas saying there are solo artists who put in more work, those VERY SAME ARTISTS would openly call Andre an elite or top 5 artist. You think people have that opinion just because rappers said so? Did you ever stop to think that there was a large segment of people who really believe he's that good based on the material he's put out? No of course not. We're all sheep and brainwashed by rapper's opinions...FOH

 

[Treize117]

but thats inconsistent tho b/c its not the same fam. were talkin about Andre 3000 being the Greatest of All Time or in that top 10 list. hes a great talent but G.O.A.T ? individually ? hell nah. U can say as a group sure cuz the success was both of theres. but as a standalone artist ? its not the same, then Big Boi should be in there as well which isnt fair to others more deserving. Andre 3000 is overrated b. Saying that Andre 3k is the GOAT & never has to drop a solo album is like me saying that 'GZA or U-God are the G.O.A.T & never have to prove it b/c we all know that since the Wu Tang Clan is the Best that obviously those 2 are as well since their w/ Wu so a top 10 list should read' :

1. Raekwon

2. Method Man

3. Ghostface Killah

4. Inspectah Deck

5. GZA

6. RZA

7. Masta Killa

8. Cappadonna

9. ODB

10. U-God

& thats fair.'

smmfh lololol come on fam it dont work like that n u know it.

But none of them are as nice as Andre lol

Look back at some of the posts homie. Eminem, Jay, Scarface, Wayne, Killer Mike etc. etc...alot of elite solo artists consider Andre top 5 material. Not to say their opinions are more significant than everybody elses, but it just goes to show that a lot of people hold him in really high regard. What it ultimately comes down to, is that Dre is outright nice enough on the mic to be considered top 5 material. Big boi isnt included because he's not as nice as Andre. Him being on the same album doesnt make him as good of a rapper. Even if that material came from him as part of a group, you can still listen to him and say based purely off rap skills that he's a top five talent.

 

[cuttadc13]

yes....to answer the Thread....Andre 3k's catalogue and material history>>>>> 90% of rappers DOA

 

[Brian B.]

got dayum hoe here we go again. top 10 or top 5 lyricists YES !!! top 5 or top 10 BEST or GREATEST OF ALL TIME ? NO. again ive already said my piece & yes brian b it makes sense. hes got flaws & weaknesses individually & the lack of work that doesnt overstand the ones ahead of him to be top 10 GOAT. So it dont make him eligible for the throne. Hes made music w/ Big Boi and together they eliminate each other's flaws & carry one another making them appear flawless on records. Without his partner tho hes just a great lyricist. again hes a great lyricist but top 10 G.O.A.T ? no. His success is Big Boi's success as well & u cant take 1 w/o the other & claim it as a viable reason to say hes the G.O.A.T , thats like me saying Cappadonna is G.O.A.T b/c the Wu-Tang Clan as a collective is the G.O.A.T or me saying that Black Thought is top 10 G.O.A.T w/o the Roots knowing dayum well that hes got 5 writers writing for him & producers that make a specific sound specifically for him. 3k made an impression lyrically the same way immortal technique makes an impression lyrically. POST a viable argument with aaaall his accomplishments of why HE should be top 10 GOAT, & i dont want co-signs from fans like talib or Em i want a viable argument & facts. i have a meeeaan titangraph to post once any of u do that.

I am not hating ive acknowledged that he is a GREAT lyricist but as a candidate for the Greatest of All Time he is not. & if ur gonna add him in there u have to put big boi in there as well. the reason why u cant take 1 w/o the other is b/c he is weak w/o Big Boi as an artist & his individual work dont put him above more deserving niggas like Method Man, Rae, Ghost, Weezy (smh but i respect the body of work), cube, The God Allah & others. Andre 3000 is overrated, he gets too much praise for too little. His lyrical skills are amazing no doubt but not enuff to put him in the top 10 & on top of that there isnt ANY proof at all (or material) that would show that Andre 3000 is a strong enuff standalone artist that is the Greatest of All Time - tell me im lying.

& joker uve got to be fucking kidding me LOL.... Biggie crafted a lyrical blueprint that niggas have yet to decipher except a few (Hov & somehow Wayne) , using the ballad of his voice like a jazz singer plays the sax or trumpet & combining impeccable wit, timing & melody to make his punchlines all the more effective. At the same time packaging that complexity in a format so simple & easy to miss it added more to the rewind aspect of hiphop LOL. Only Hova has mastered that taking Big's craft & filling it w/ more complex double & even triple entendres. Couple that in w/ putting Brooklyn New York on the map during an era when LL, Rakim & the founding fathers couldnt even put out successful records to compete w/ the growing hype that the west coast had & Big was automatically labelled the poster boy for the East. The notorious B.I.G helped usher in the era of bling, was a catalyst in merging RnB ballads w/ hiphop (i know a lot of niggas give LL that claim but Big took it to the next level) & made history w/ Puff with his first & second album. All that and Big's death also gave him the luxury of never having made a bad song. He waged a coastal beef that has never been paralleled in hiphop w/ the G.O.A.T Tupac Amaru Shakur (who is said to have mentored him at one point) & dont u dare claim Nas vs Jay, he was the first MC EVER to sell 10 million records & get a diamond plaque (MC not Rapper so hammer dont count). His death was all the more iconic as he was the first ever King of New York & became the Gold standard for niggas to achieve.

The substance is there in his work, Life After Death , Ready to Die all incredible albums, 5 mics & concepts that became all the more vivid wen u heard it come from Big's mouth, i know niggas who cant go a day w/o hearing that classic 'uhh , uhh' b4 goin outside thats how real shit is w/ frank white. So u really wanna compare 3 stacks to the Frank White Biggie Smalls ? Big sold his records & never made a bad song, created a lyrical blueprint for niggas to run with & did his numbers. He had the acclaim to back it up too. With all due respect to Outkast & Atlanta, 3 Stacks is not seein Big on any level.

no you switchin up what you said

go & look @ my post where I quoted you, you did not say top 10 lyricist, you jus said top 10

now, you could've meant top lyricist but, Im not a mind reader so, how could I have known

& Im not even gonna adress the sick duckin (dick suckin) you jus did w/ biggie cuz you jus took stannery up a notch, makes shadyteam look like a regular fan

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3K verse on this one song>>>>any biggie verse

 

[ocelot]

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3K verse on this one song>>>>any biggie verse

no... and Ceelo verse>>>>>>>>>> Big Bio=3 Stacks verse...

 

[iamkang]

Niggas cocc slidin lmao

3stacks aint top 10
biggie aint top 10
pac aint top 10

Bun-b>>>>>>>>>