Andre 3k is top 10 even if he never raps again or never drops a solo album

[Mvpbrodie93]

why do people keep mentioning Biggie when he has less material than Dre???

Biggie had 2 albums, Andre has 2.5 albums. He has quantity and quality, so whats the problem?

biggie had to classic SOLO albums

 

[Treize117]

What you doing using logic and reason over here? You know better than that fam. Everybody knows that you can extract one key element from a formula and attribute everything great about the formula to it. Water got at least 3 classics in your body but we all know hydrogen is a top 5 while oxygen aint even on the list b.

U know what ur right. Hendrix wasnt a great guitarist, because he played in a band. there was a drummer and a bass guitarist....So there's NO WAY we could evaluate him individually.

The fuck was i thinking...

 

[BobOblah]

Go see how many wack Dre verses you can count.......

Now count how many other rappers you can say that about....

 

[dr. zero_ahh]

do you know how much sense the bolded makes? none

how you gon say Kast is top 10 but, if you make a top 10 list 3K aint on it?

The idea that he should even be in the discussion without a catalog of solo projects makes no sense. Outkast is counting them both because it acknowledges that he did not do all the work alone and had a partner. That's like counting only ONE of the Beatles for the group's work. Andre 3000 is counting them as a single entity. As a single entity, Andre has one single alternative hip-hop album...how can you consider him top 10 alone when his verses came as part of a duo? It requires LESS to do that than to do a solo. Til then, he's not in the discussion. Outkast, as a unit is. Andre as a single entity, no.

 

[LuckyFace]

I love Andre, not only tracks, but his movies job also

 

[c.b.b.]

I got 3 stacks in my top 5 DOA

Substance, lyrics, and storytelling ability.

I'd put Big Boi in the top 20, but I think 3000 is just a notch ahead of him

 

[AldrichAmes]

Listen to the first 4 Outkast albums and then you know why he is a top 5 lyricist. There are just a few groups in hip hop that have constantly dropped such high quality music. It is possible to judge each members individual talent in a group and to compare it with others from the genre.

His last rap verse was on Royal Flush with Raekwon and Big Boi on the track and it was one of the best that year. Someone who is able to do that is also able to drop a hot solo album. Black Thought also never dropped a solo album, but he is def Top10 because of his music contributions with The Roots.

For me he is top 5 all-time lyricist...but thats a matter of opinion.

Rakim

Nas

Common

Tupac

Andre 3k

Black Thought

Aside from the obvious reach about Black Thought (he's been the only rapper in the roots for the last ten years so everything since 00 could be considered solo work) I respect your opinion but I vehemently disagree. Andre = Big Boi and I wouldn't put either one in the top 5 of all time or right now. I'm not saying they aren't great and I would put Outkast as one of the top 5 groups most definitely, but there's a difference between being responsible for 16 bars per song and 48 bars plus a hook per song. Word to Jadakiss.

 

[AldrichAmes]

U know what ur right. Hendrix wasnt a great guitarist, because he played in a band. there was a drummer and a bass guitarist....So there's NO WAY we could evaluate him individually.

The fuck was i thinking...

Word what the fuck are you thinking with this Hendrix shit? You would have a point if there was another lead guitarist in that band but there wasn't. You would have a point if Big Boi was to Outkast was Freaky Tah was to The Lost Boyz but he's not. Cut that shit out.

 

[Treize117]

Word what the fuck are you thinking with this Hendrix shit? You would have a point if there was another lead guitarist in that band but there wasn't. You would have a point if Big Boi was to Outkast was Freaky Tah was to The Lost Boyz but he's not. Cut that shit out.

Jeez yall niggas love to dance around the point.

The point isnt that Andre is to Outkast what Jimi was to the Jimi Hendrix Experience, or that he was what John Lennon was to the Beatles. The point is that just because someone is a member of a group or band doesnt mean they can't be evaluated on their individual merits or contributions to the group, as in the previous examples. It happens all the time. Just because Andre hasnt dropped solo material doesnt take away from the significance of the work he put out, even in the context of a group. Seriously, it makes no sense to say he cant be considered great based on his material with Outkast, just cuz Big Boi was a part of it too. That doesnt diminish the significance of his personal contribution.

 

[t. webb]

Outkast is the only Group in my Top 5.....can't seperate them...

 

[Stew]

Re-read what fam said.... i couldnt have said it any better. It is a disrespect to put him in the same ranks as pac, big, nas, hov, big l, kane, Em, cube, rakim, LL and he has no solo career/album & hasnt proven himself. 3 stacks is overrated B, sure hes got incredible lyrical prowesses but top 10 ? No. if we were saying top 10 niggas that can spit a verse sure theres a case there. But top 10 of all time GTFOH LOLOL. as a group Big Boi compliments him & vice versa which is why it can be said that Outkast as a group can fulfill the criteria of being top 10 but individually ? think about this rite.... where would Ice Cold be w/o Big Boi ? or why isnt Big Boi a candidate for top 10 GOATs ?

Or I could say how about Mobb Deep, how come Hav aint considered one of the best lyricists to do it but P at one point was hailed as 1 of the best rappers of his time ? we can say that Mobb Deep (or Outkast) has a case for being top 10 as a group b/c musically as a duo they compliment each other & made an impact as a group, turning each other's weaknesses into strengths and being able to vibe off each other - without that theyre obsolete tho. But every group always has that one stand out member that has a strength over the other. Big Boi may not be as good a lyricist as 3 stacks but his writing skills & love of soul music combined w/ Andre's swagger & lyrics makes for a recipe for success. The same could be said for the Wu, Mobb Deep & other groups. Sure P can rap forever but w/o Hav's gritty production & talent of conceptualizing P woulda just been 'another rapper' cuz hes not strong there. He woulda dropped an album it wouldve bricked & wed never know of Mobb Deep. For the Wu, RZA was present on all their solo releases & helped define their style by giving Wu that co-sign. Big Boi does the same for Andre & Dre for Big Boi but as a solo act, he simply doesnt have a viable argument as to WHY he should be top 10. He needs an album, he needs to define a position & he needs to make an impact. He has to show & prove then ill stfu LOL. Great lyricist but not a good solo act. Cee-Lo does what Andre tries to be much better. Andre 3000 hasnt solidified that his qualities as a solo act put him in the same rank as the Top 10 Greatest of All Time. If it were that easy niggas like Papoose, Krayzie Bone, Prodigy would all have a place on there.

Funny how u say its disrespectful to other solo legends when Em and Face among others who have him in there top 10. Are they being disrespectful as well or are they qualified enough to have a valid opinion?

 

[dr. zero_ahh]

Funny how u say its disrespectful to other solo legends when Em and Face among others who have him in there top 10. Are they being disrespectful as well or are they qualified enough to have a valid opinion?

Well that's their opinion and they're entitled to it. Just because legends deem it so, don't make it credible.

 

[D.James1026]

For some reason I feel honored to not know what the fuck "Deuces" or the "Deuces Remix " is.

Pardon the freepost.

Doesn't get out much post.

 

[Stew]

Well that's their opinion and they're entitled to it. Just because legends deem it so, don't make it credible.

So whats credible? Is it your opinion that just cause he doesnt have a solo album out that its disrespectful to others or is it that its just music and you can judge it just like any other music like myself and other rap legends have agreed upon?

 

[5th Letter]

he aint top 10 thats all

 

[son of 1973]

if i was under 30 or not from the east coast i think dre would make my top ten, maybe even top 5. he top 5 south lyricist for sure, only face and d.o.c. more influential to me ( i haven't heard mac like that). but tight as he is i cant put him over face, nas, big, redman, cube or the foundation dudes (ll rakim krs g rap kane). just my opinion.

 

[Stew]

My understanding is that they value him based on his lyricism NOT as the greatest. But if one were to draw up a top 10 list of ALL TIME nooo way in hell does he deserve to be in there individually.

Maybe Em's list was about lyricism cause he did include Jada and Kurupt but I know Face's list was top 5 DOA reported by AHH, regardless tho top 5 or 10 of anything is a huge statement and some of his peers believe that he is. Doesnt make me change my mind or anything just justify's that I know somebody of importance in this genre believes the same as I do and I know that me or anybody else that believes the same are not crazy or outright wrong. Not saying that you or anybody else are wrong for your opinion but I do believe its wrong that you cant even think about him being top 10 just cause he doesnt have a solo album out.

smh@ calling him meh as a musician. Im guessing youve never read how they came about any of their albums.

hes done too little & gets too much praise - hes overrated dude. face & em dubbin him GOAT as a lyricist but I bet if u sat down & asked them whose top 10 greatest of all time they aint gon say his name. U cant pick & choose ur truths... wat about Big Boi... why cant he be top 10 & hes clearly put out more & done more as an artist than Ice Cold has.... ? no one mentions him. hes top 10 greatest LYRICISTS of all time i can co-sign that but as the total package ? lets be honest here LOL. 'im just being honest'

Yea cause being in the game since 93 is too little. Face did name him as top 5 DOA, your wrong there. I have Big Boi in my top 10 as well, read the thread.

 

[BobOblah]

lol maaan as a group theyre good for the top 10 but individually theyve done too little. Andre 3000 in the same ranks as the "foundation of hiphop" & the usual suspects pac, big, nas, hov, cube & em ? & hes never even dropped an album or made an impact comparable to theres, shit Lloyd Banks, Game & krayzie bone got rhymes too but how come they cant be Top 10 ?

wen 3k drops a 5 mic album & takes a shit on the game leaving everyone in his sight copying his shit, & praising him as "the one" then maybe ill co-sign lol. but real talk, that nigga is overrated.

seems like nowadays everybody is top 10 no matter the amount of work they put in or impact they leave on the game. to take it a step further i would even go as far as saying Lil Wayne deserves a spot over Andre 3000....

*dips out b4 the tomatoes get thrown*

*reaches for tomatoes to throw*

 

[Treize117]

seems like nowadays everybody is top 10 no matter the amount of work they put in or impact they leave on the game. to take it a step further i would even go as far as saying Lil Wayne deserves a spot over Andre 3000....

*dips out b4 the tomatoes get thrown*

"You see the Big, The Jay, the Tupac in him

The Kurt Kobain, the Andre 3 Stacks, and im back to doin shit like i do's it

Maybach Music"

-Lil Wayne

 

[Stew]

lol maaan as a group theyre good for the top 10 but individually theyve done too little. Andre 3000 in the same ranks as the "foundation of hiphop" & the usual suspects pac, big, nas, hov, cube & em ? & hes never even dropped an album or made an impact comparable to theres, shit Lloyd Banks, Game & krayzie bone got rhymes too but how come they cant be Top 10 ?

wen 3k drops a 5 mic album & takes a shit on the game leaving everyone in his sight copying his shit, & praising him as "the one" then maybe ill co-sign lol. but real talk, that nigga is overrated.

seems like nowadays everybody is top 10 no matter the amount of work they put in or impact they leave on the game. to take it a step further i would even go as far as saying Lil Wayne deserves a spot over Andre 3000....

*dips out b4 the tomatoes get thrown*

Thats the best argument you have seriously? Youve never heard anyone say 3000 is one of the best? lol C'mon son your now coming off as a hater.