All Conspiracy Theorists are bound for Hell

[beenwize]

Isiah 1:11 ask the question what is the purpose of your sacrifice to ime yet in other areas of the Bible it says without shedding blood their is NO remission of sins... So if shedding blood is REQUIRED to forgive sins then why is the question being asked in Isiah 1:11?

But Samuel replied: "Does the LORD delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices as much as in obeying the voice of the LORD? To obey is better than sacrifice, and to heed is better than the fat of rams. (1 Samuel 15:22)

The point is to not put yourself in a place where you need to do so many sacrifices in the first place. It's like credit card debt. Don't get credit card after credit card, just stopped putting yourself in debt in the first place!

See, the problem with the sacrifices mentioned in Isaiah 1:11 is that ppl were using them as a way to 'pay' for their sins....like they have some kind of sinning license. That's why God found their sacrifices to be an abomination. The lesson here still applies to a Christian now but in a different manner.

And also part of the reason why ppl in the Old Testament even have forgiveness of sins is because of Jesus sacrifice and their obedience to God's word. The forgiveness is IN Christ. The blood of JESUS washes away sins. And also obeying the word of God saves people from condemnation.

Except the question below was asked in Isaiah 1:1

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When ye come to appear before me, who hath required this at your hand, to tread my courts?

^ the question is asked who required them to sacrifice.. well does not Hebrews 9:22 and Leviticus 17:11 state sacrifice is REQUIRED?

 

[Rock_Well]

That's not the reason WHY God asks that. I challenge you provide the whole context from the beginning of Isaiah down to verse 11 and explain or show why God asks that....if you can lol.

 

[VIBE]

Word? So you follow all of Leviticus 19?

not sure what you getting at...

You said people cherry pick the bible, that they should full it to a T. I'm asking if you follow Lev 19? All of gods laws.

 

[VIBE]

Or some *shrugs*

 

[beenwize]

That's not the reason WHY God asks that. I challenge you provide the whole context from the beginning of Isaiah down to verse 11 and explain or show why God asks that....if you can lol.

I already disproved your theory.. Now you want to laugh it off. Lol

 

[beenwize]

You say Jesus cosigned all of the Old Testament? Lol and did you also forget your Bible was revised, compiled, and published by the same ppl that are supposed to have crucified Jesus? Only a dummy would believe they did not alter the Bible at all.

You started off in the wrong direction the moment you chose to believe mere men can distort and alter the word of a sovereign God. But then again you don't stand for truth, so you open yourself to all sorts of lies of men. As it's written, God be true and all men liars. And the above is a lie. All who believe the lie and all unrepentant liars headed to Hell. God has no desire for men to destroy themselves. Why not repent?

And if Jesus is suppose to be the central theme of the Bible through his death for the sins of the world after he was beaten and crucified then what is the purpose of the Old Testament god constantly denying any form of a savior other than himself? Does he only want worship for himself? What exactly is the purpose of saying no other savior is besides me if the only other savior the Bible teaches of is Jesus? Kinda sound like the same entity that approached Jesus for worship on the mountain to me.

If Jesus died for the sins of the entire world then you would think it would say Jesus is a savior besides me rather than say there is no savior besides me.

Isaiah 43:11

I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Jesus is a spirit. Jesus is the author and finisher of Christian Faith. Part of this implies He authored the Old Testament as well. The fact that the Bible refers to Jesus as being the savior implies that Jesus is God. Wow! So where is the contradiction besides just in your own head? How is it so hard to put that together?

So are you saying Jesus and Yahweh are the SAME entity? You would have to say that because throughout the Old Testament they did not recognize or teach of two entities being god.

1 Chronicles 17:20

O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

1 Samuel 2:2

There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.

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[Rock_Well]

Word? So you follow all of Leviticus 19?

not sure what you getting at...

You said people cherry pick the bible, that they should full it to a T. I'm asking if you follow Lev 19? All of gods laws.

actually i said they pick and choose what they accept as true. i never made a point about how much they actually try to follow. one can accept the Bible as all God's word and the truth but that still dont mean they follow it all of it. And whether a person fulfills all the commands is not a question of going to Old Testament law, thought you know better than that. :/

 

[Rock_Well]

That's not the reason WHY God asks that. I challenge you provide the whole context from the beginning of Isaiah down to verse 11 and explain or show why God asks that....if you can lol.

I already disproved your theory.. Now you want to laugh it off. Lol

....this dood..

asking you to explain yourself because i don't understand what your saying. why not even bother to stand by what you speak on? You didn't prove a thing. Pull out the context and show how it implies what you say it does, cause you not making sense right now.

 

[Rock_Well]

So are you saying Jesus and Yahweh are the SAME entity? You would have to say that because throughout the Old Testament they did not recognize or teach of two entities being god.

1 Chronicles 17:20

O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

1 Samuel 2:2

There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.

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No, the Father and Son are two different beings. They are still both God, as far as authority goes even though the Father has more authority.

 

[VIBE]

Word? So you follow all of Leviticus 19?

not sure what you getting at...

You said people cherry pick the bible, that they should full it to a T. I'm asking if you follow Lev 19? All of gods laws.

actually i said they pick and choose what they accept as true. i never made a point about how much they actually try to follow. one can accept the Bible as all God's word and the truth but that still dont mean they follow it all of it. And whether a person fulfills all the commands is not a question of going to Old Testament law, thought you know better than that. :/

How can one see that everything is true, believe in it but still not follow it all?

 

[Rock_Well]

Word? So you follow all of Leviticus 19?

not sure what you getting at...

You said people cherry pick the bible, that they should full it to a T. I'm asking if you follow Lev 19? All of gods laws.

actually i said they pick and choose what they accept as true. i never made a point about how much they actually try to follow. one can accept the Bible as all God's word and the truth but that still dont mean they follow it all of it. And whether a person fulfills all the commands is not a question of going to Old Testament law, thought you know better than that. :/

How can one see that everything is true, believe in it but still not follow it all?

The same way a person can be a hearer, but not a doer of God's word.

But even hearing the Word is a skill that must be learned.

 

[VIBE]

That makes no sense. If one truly believes in gods word, then one would FOLLOW gods word. How can one truly believe yet just cherry pick some laws to follow and completely ignore the other laws? What about priests who cut their hair and beards? Has it not been said that they shouldn't?

What about mating two different animals? It says NOT to do this. (racist btw). What about those who plant their fields with two different kinds of seeds? They're not supposed to do this either. Eating bloody meats, wearing two different kinds of woven materials are also a no-no. Why do you think no one follows them?

Also, I've always found "understanding gods word" a bit silly. Why does one need to "pray" to understand something they've read? Reading comprehension isn't so hard, even atheists who debate can do this without "praying" and they ether the shit out of pastors who have been "praying for understanding" for years.

 

[Rock_Well]

That makes no sense. If one truly believes in gods word, then one would FOLLOW gods word. How can one truly believe yet just cherry pick some laws to follow and completely ignore the other laws? What about priests who cut their hair and beards? Has it not been said that they shouldn't?

a person with the faith of demons...they believe but have no works.

who in their right mind would go to the Old Testament to bind law where the New Testament law DOESN'T bind it? This only demonstrate your lack of knowledge on Biblical doctrine. The OT does not offer a means of salvation..following OT instead of the law of Christ is spiritual suicide.

What about mating two different animals? It says NOT to do this. (racist btw).

I'll have to call your hand on that one...you obviously misunderstood something. The Bible is against racism, we have Biblical examples of God striking someone with leprosy because of a similar sin as racism.

What about those who plant their fields with two different kinds of seeds? They're not supposed to do this either. Eating bloody meats, wearing two different kinds of woven materials are also a no-no. Why do you think no one follows them?

You referring to OT law. If you personally choose to follow OT law that's you, but you have no right to bind it upon followers of Christ.

Also, I've always found "understanding gods word" a bit silly. Why does one need to "pray" to understand something they've read? Reading comprehension isn't so hard, even atheists who debate can do this without "praying" and they ether the shit out of pastors who have been "praying for understanding" for years.

Where does the Bible say to pray to understand the written word? Pauls says when we READ we can come to the wisdom of God. Some areas are harder to understand than others, yes. Other areas, like Revelation, if you not Christian, you just won't be able to understand.

 

[VIBE]

a person with the faith of demons...they believe but have no works.

I guess so lol

who in their right mind would go to the Old Testament to bind law where the New Testament law DOESN'T bind it? This only demonstrate your lack of knowledge on Biblical doctrine. The OT does not offer a means of salvation..following OT instead of the law of Christ is spiritual suicide

Why is the Old Testaments laws change? Aren't the 10 Commandments apart of the Old Testament? They seem to have weeded out (changed) to only be left with 10. How come? Sure you'll say "Jesus died for our sins" type of stuff, and I realize that it's cool they do away with the "sacrifices for sin" thing. Why were the other things changed?

I'll have to call your hand on that one...you obviously misunderstood something. The Bible is against racism, we have Biblical examples of God striking someone with leprosy because of a similar sin as racism.

Quote? I've heard though, this leprosy was basically a skin turning white type of thing, even seen scripture provided proving this. I forget the exact passages though, but considering that, isn't that racism in itself? Cursing someone to be different, white instead of dark?

Where does the Bible say to pray to understand the written word? Pauls says when we READ we can come to the wisdom of God. Some areas are harder to understand than others, yes. Other areas, like Revelation, if you not Christian, you just won't be able to understand.

Where did I say the bible said that? I say that because all Christians state this, "OH! You're an atheist, you need to read the bible in context and pray for wisdom and understanding". It seems that without some magical wisdom and understanding, you won't understand the bible. Why is that? Whether it's prayed for or brought to you by god through reading, why? Reading is reading, comprehending is comprehending. If you do not understand a book like I do, besides the bible, do I say you need wisdom and understanding from Mark Twain? I think that's a cheesy cop-out in saying, "Well, I don't have a good rebuttal, so instead, you don't understand the bible!". It doesn't take some magical understanding man.

 

[Bodhi]

thats the problem with Christians. They pick and choose what they want to follow and then act holier than thou. They want their god to be convenient to their current lifestyle

 

[judahxulu]

That makes no sense. If one truly believes in gods word, then one would FOLLOW gods word. How can one truly believe yet just cherry pick some laws to follow and completely ignore the other laws? What about priests who cut their hair and beards? Has it not been said that they shouldn't?

a person with the faith of demons...they believe but have no works.

who in their right mind would go to the Old Testament to bind law where the New Testament law DOESN'T bind it? This only demonstrate your lack of knowledge on Biblical doctrine. The OT does not offer a means of salvation..following OT instead of the law of Christ is spiritual suicide.

What about mating two different animals? It says NOT to do this. (racist btw).

I'll have to call your hand on that one...you obviously misunderstood something. The Bible is against racism, we have Biblical examples of God striking someone with leprosy because of a similar sin as racism.

What about those who plant their fields with two different kinds of seeds? They're not supposed to do this either. Eating bloody meats, wearing two different kinds of woven materials are also a no-no. Why do you think no one follows them?

You referring to OT law. If you personally choose to follow OT law that's you, but you have no right to bind it upon followers of Christ.

Also, I've always found "understanding gods word" a bit silly. Why does one need to "pray" to understand something they've read? Reading comprehension isn't so hard, even atheists who debate can do this without "praying" and they ether the shit out of pastors who have been "praying for understanding" for years.

Where does the Bible say to pray to understand the written word? Pauls says when we READ we can come to the wisdom of God. Some areas are harder to understand than others, yes. Other areas, like Revelation, if you not Christian, you just won't be able to understand.

Now you stepping on my toes...I'm going to straighten a few things out when I get back home and put my baby down for a nap...

 

[Rock_Well]

Nice going VIBE.

I'll have to wait till later to respond

 

[judahxulu]

Nice going VIBE.

I'll have to wait till later to respond

we cool so im not gonna get all aggro witcha but um...you should look at this on the wise of the OT offering salvation http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?criteria=salvation+LORD&sstr=0&t=KJV

 

[beenwize]

Nice going VIBE.

I'll have to wait till later to respond

we cool so im not gonna get all aggro witcha but um...you should look at this on the wise of the OT offering salvation http://www.blueletterbible.org/search/translationResults.cfm?criteria=salvation+LORD&sstr=0&t=KJV

Lol

 

[beenwize]

So are you saying Jesus and Yahweh are the SAME entity? You would have to say that because throughout the Old Testament they did not recognize or teach of two entities being god.

1 Chronicles 17:20

O LORD, there is none like thee, neither is there any God beside thee, according to all that we have heard with our ears.

1 Samuel 2:2

There is none holy as the LORD: for there is none beside thee: neither is there any rock like our God.

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No, the Father and Son are two different beings. They are still both God, as far as authority goes even though the Father has more authority.

dude the Old Testament does not recognize two different beings as god..



This is Yahweh speaking in the Old Testament.

Isaiah 43:11 I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.

Isaiah 44:8 Do not tremble, do not be afraid. Did I not proclaim this and foretell it long ago? You are my witnesses. Is there any God besides me? No, there is no other Rock; I know not one."

Isaiah 45:5 I am the LORD, and there is none else, there is no God beside me: I girded thee, though thou hast not known me:

That they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is none beside me. I am the LORD, and there is none else.

^^ Now if Yahweh is speaking in those scriptures and he has a son named Jesus as you claim then why is he not recogizing him as a god and a savior?

If Yahweh who you call Father is saying there is no god nor savior with him then why do you not understand this? What would be the point of constantly saying no savior is beside me if you still saying there are 2 gods who are a Father and Son?