All Conspiracy Theorists are bound for Hell

[Rock_Well]

@Thulsa - my aim isn't to e-convert anyone I merely aim to plant a seed. Somebody else from the faith can water it. And God will bring the increase, not me. plus im not Mormon. Im a child if God by faith in Christ. A Mormon creed of faith is outlined in the book of Mormon which comes from men. A child of God faith lies in the word of God which the Holy Spirit revealed to all of us for our own good. Why the hostility?

 

[Rock_Well]

@bambu i appreciate that bro. I figure it's time we shed some light on the erroneous ways of these types.

 

[DoUwant2go2Heaven]

Amen and Amen. What great edification you provided for my soul brother Solid. Keep preaching the word! Hallelujah!

 

[Rock_Well]

That's unfortunate, since many of the religious believe that unseen supernatural beings control and manipulate the world around us; such behavior qualifies as being a "conspiracy theorist".

doesn't quite match the definitions given in the OP friend...

This is basically the definition I am using:

Under this definition, anyone who claims that supernatural beings control and manipulate the world around us would qualify as a "conspiracy theorist", unless they also claimed that they knew all of the thoughts/actions/plans of the supernatural beings.

So an example of these "conspiracy theorists" would be anyone who subscribes to the belief that "God works in mysterious ways".

The Bible tells us to speak as oracles of God. so any time someone use God name to speak on spiritual thing my question is always 'How much of what the person is saying is supported by God's word?' in the Bible those who speak presumptuously and don't bother to support their speech with facts (as an Oracle of God would) are condemned.

This does nothing to change the definition of a "conspiracy theorist".

You've said that "All Conspiracy Theorists are bound for Hell". Do you include the religious who meet the aforementioned criteria in this universal statement?

Because that would mean people who subscribe to the belief that "God works in mysterious ways" are also "bound for Hell".

The answer would be yes in a particular circumstance where the person goes too far to the point it becomes lying and continually does it. the Bible teaches that God is active in the world, but that don't necessarily mean men can detect when and where. People still try to detect Him all the time. Like when Katrina happened, there were ppl saying this was a judgement from God. But how we know Katrina wasn't just time and chance? Or how do we know if men were behind it or not? Or how do we know the only thing God did in this event was 'arrange' for the levees to break? In the end we just guessing. It's not about that anyway, it's about coming to the aid of those who need help, regardless of all the behind the scenes activity we don't know about. Ppl may believe God to be behind a given event, but the Truth is, outside of what God has already decided to speak on, we can't be too sure if He was directly involved in said event or not. This type you mention would be in danger and jeopardizing their souls if they go too far in imposing these beliefs on others as requirement for them to accept when it isn't factual or when God didn't actualy say so Himself. So, again the answer would be "yes" in some cases. Esp the ones where the person continue to do this even after being showed the scriptures say to not do it.

 

[Rock_Well]

@ DoU - it's been a while since i seen your posts. thnx tho i can't rly take credit i mentor with another brother who's well taught and laced me up on a lot of this.

 

[waterproof]

Surely there are certain things that are credited to some form of supernatural being by whichever religious text you use?

@goldcertificate what supernatural being are you talking about

 

[Gold_Certificate]

Surely there are certain things that are credited to some form of supernatural being by whichever religious text you use?

@goldcertificate what supernatural being are you talking about

Any supernatural being that is said to control and manipulate the world around us.

 

[VIBE]

Damn, so the conspiracy theory that all bad, evil, hate etc is the "devil" has everyone going to hell.

See you there!

 

[Disciplined InSight]

The ignorance is bliss in this thread.

 

[Rock_Well]

Not quite. A 'theory' that all, bad, evil and hate is the 'devil' is at least based on a true story. Its not comparable to some of these other fables ppl come up with. And again the question is how much of this 'theory' is based on truth? Theories are wrong for different reasons than that they are labeled 'theory'. we only know about the devil because of God word which is truth. As we dig further in the truth, we'd learn that blaming the devil for every little act of evil still does nothing to get mankind off the hook for his own sins. That's why the church was established. And that's why the church is longest standing kingdom ever. Because its founded on Truth

 

[VIBE]

None of what you said is "truth". To state the bible, god or the devil is a truth is a falsehood. None of these things have been proven.

 

[waterproof]

Surely there are certain things that are credited to some form of supernatural being by whichever religious text you use?

@goldcertificate what supernatural being are you talking about

Any supernatural being that is said to control and manipulate the world around us.

how about getting some understanding first and you see that YHWH does not the control or manipulate the world around us. YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW, you either can use the tools that was given to us or not

 

[Bodhi]

A 'theory' that all, bad, evil and hate is the 'devil' is at least based on a true story.

That is not a true story. All bad, evil and hate stems from the minds of sentient beings who can determine what events, happenings, or doings are least desirable and most desirable to their well being. That is the true story.

 

[Bodhi]

we only know about the devil because of God word which is truth.

False. We only know about a "devil" because of the words and writings of men. God has never spoken to anyone as far as I know so his word is neither false nor true because his words don't exist.

 

[Gold_Certificate]

Surely there are certain things that are credited to some form of supernatural being by whichever religious text you use?

@goldcertificate what supernatural being are you talking about

Any supernatural being that is said to control and manipulate the world around us.

how about getting some understanding first and you see that YHWH does not the control or manipulate the world around us. YOU REAP WHAT YOU SOW, you either can use the tools that was given to us or not

So there are no observable acts of "YHWH" in the world? Meaning no phenomena has occurred that qualifies as "the will of YHWH"?

 

[Rock_Well]

A 'theory' that all, bad, evil and hate is the 'devil' is at least based on a true story.

That is not a true story. All bad, evil and hate stems from the minds of sentient beings who can determine what events, happenings, or doings are least desirable and most desirable to their well being.That is the true story.

ok, you say 'stems from the mind' (of humans) right? now watch this:

"For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander." (Matthew 15:19)

so is NOT the above verse true?

In the Bible, 'heart' = spirit

They don't use the word 'spirit' in Science, they use 'mind' and 'consciousness'.

all refer to the same thing tho.

but where u say 'beings who can determine what events, happenings, or doing are least desirable and most desirable to their well being' the Bible says men can't do that. but are you going to tell me the following verses are NOT true: "I know, O LORD, that a man’s way is not in himself, Nor is it in a man who walks to direct his steps." Jeremiah 10:23

"A man's heart deviseth his way; But the LORD directeth his steps." (Proverbs 16:9)



"Every man's way is right in his own eyes, But the LORD weighs the hearts." (Proverbs 21:2)

And if rejecting the above truth that men don't have the ability to determine on their own what path is best, then what do you have on Jesus words? Everyone knows Jesus drew some pretty hard lines concerning what path to take in terms of good and evil. But of course you might say Jesus words are false. How do we rationalize this?

And don't say all religion are 'truths' because this is self-ethering by nature and would mean that no truth exists. which is probably one of the single most deadliest of lies a man can eat.

 

[loch121]

So we should believe everything the media tells us huh? Yeah there's no conspiracy until yrs later after events when ppl find out their really were.

More than a few conspiracies have come to be true.

isn't the Bible saying an evil angel runs the earth a conspiracy too?

What's funny is a lot of the theorist have a pro Christian agenda

I don't get what your trying to say?

GOD ain't write the Bible and if GOD had something to say he would come say it not have a bunch of maniacs running around killing ppl for religion.

Some dudes wrote some shit and said GOD said it and ppl still believe it.Whatever

Same government you praise kidnapped,raped,killed,enslaved, and continue to shit on my ppl so fuck the gov.

 

[Bodhi]

A 'theory' that all, bad, evil and hate is the 'devil' is at least based on a true story.

That is not a true story. All bad, evil and hate stems from the minds of sentient beings who can determine what events, happenings, or doings are least desirable and most desirable to their well being.That is the true story.

ok, you say 'stems from the mind' (of humans) right? now watch this:

"For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, sexual immorality, theft, false testimony, slander." (Matthew 15:19)

so is NOT the above verse true?

In the Bible, 'heart' = spirit

They don't use the word 'spirit' in Science, they use 'mind' and 'consciousness'.

all refer to the same thing tho.

but where u say 'beings who can determine what events, happenings, or doing are least desirable and most desirable to their well being' the Bible says men can't do that. but are you going to tell me the following verses are NOT true: "I know, O LORD, that a man’s way is not in himself, Nor is it in a man who walks to direct his steps." Jeremiah 10:23

"A man's heart deviseth his way; But the LORD directeth his steps." (Proverbs 16:9)



"Every man's way is right in his own eyes, But the LORD weighs the hearts." (Proverbs 21:2)

And if rejecting the above truth that men don't have the ability to determine on their own what path is best, then what do you have on Jesus words? Everyone knows Jesus drew some pretty hard lines concerning what path to take in terms of good and evil. But of course you might say Jesus words are false. How do we rationalize this?

And don't say all religion are 'truths' because this is self-ethering by nature and would mean that no truth exists. which is probably one of the single most deadliest of lies a man can eat.

Yeah I would have to disagree with that: a man's way is in himself; but I agree with the statement that it isn't in a man who walks to direct his steps. I don't believe any of the proverbs verses because I don't believe in the "LORD"

What words of Jesus' do you want me to comment on? One thing I agree with in the Bible is that we know "good" and "evil" by it's fruits. Whatever, IMO, causes suffering is evil, but again, the nature and minds of sentient beings determine what suffering is.

I don't think that all religions are true completely but all of them have some truth in them.

 

[Bodhi]

So we should believe everything the media tells us huh? Yeah there's no conspiracy until yrs later after events when ppl find out their really were.

More than a few conspiracies have come to be true.

isn't the Bible saying an evil angel runs the earth a conspiracy too?

What's funny is a lot of the theorist have a pro Christian agenda

I don't get what your trying to say?

GOD ain't write the Bible and if GOD had something to say he would come say it not have a bunch of maniacs running around killing ppl for religion.

Some dudes wrote some shit and said GOD said it and ppl still believe it.Whatever

Same government you praise kidnapped,raped,killed,enslaved, and continue to shit on my ppl so fuck the gov.

this thread I guess had good intentions but when you get to the meat of it, it makes no sense

 

[Rock_Well]

What's funny is a lot of the theorist have a pro Christian agenda

I don't get what your trying to say?

I went a little extreme in the title to draw ppl in the thread...i wanted to strike a nerve. But the theorist posters don't have a single thing to say in this thread as you can see.

Anyways How do you know a person has a pro Christian agenda unless you familiar what the Bible says? The Bible defines a Christians faith and instructs in righteousness.

Not everybody that claim Christ is carrying out the one plan spoken of in the Bible.

i just showed where the bible teaches us not to fear conspiracies of men. or if you didn't read it it's in my first or second post in here. so if you judge thatthe person that claim Christian is violating this principle of the Bible talking about conspiracies of men to cast fear on people, guess what that means? The Bible is your friend. because it helps us make a rightful judgement to not fear this 'theory'. Hopefully it makes you want to dig further to see what else you may have missed.

so, the basic lesson here is sin is a problem God's word is the answer. Not the lack of putting together conspiracy theories. not government. Sin is. Now that we know that, what's the solution? God's word. The Bible is a translation of that. Follow GOd and you'll be aight. It's promised.

men are not really in control...that's just what MEN want ppl to think. let all men be liars but God's word is truth. lying is sin, all conspiracy theories by the definition i gave are lies because no one knows the whole story, and lies can send ppl to Hell says the Bible. Again, though, there's a solution offered through God's word - an eternal solution. Which i think is a pretty positive message, might i add.

GOD ain't write the Bible and if GOD had something to say he would come say it not have a bunch of maniacs running around killing ppl for religion.

Some dudes wrote some shit and said GOD said it and ppl still believe it.Whatever

Same government you praise kidnapped,raped,killed,enslaved, and continue to shit on my ppl so fuck the gov.

so unless God says something the way YOU want him to say it, it's unacceptable, no matter if it's true or not?

I don't praise government. I realize where gov authority comes from and trust that God has power to protect me and His children from harm no matter which gov is in place.