Agree or Disagree? Black people in America would be stronger, if segregation remained in America.

[Plutarch]

We could control either of these parties or both for that matter. Our vote tips the scales like no other one in America.

I might agree with most of what you've said, but this here doesn't seem to be true for what appears (to me at least) to be obvious reasons.

Blacks are, what, only 12% or 13% of the population? It's been said that we didn't really even vote Obama in office. White women did, right? We overwhelmingly vote Democrat, and they still lose at times. The Dems even take our vote for granted. Doesn't sound like we have as much political power as you say.

 

[Plutarch]

I don't think it's a dumb question, simply because the question makes you think. But I do think it's a weird-ass question, not that there is anything really wrong with weird questions.

Like others have said, integration vs. segregation is largely irrelevant, i.e., if the goal is peace and prosperity (as it should be?). The real question is much deeper than segregation or integration.

I've always believed peace and prosperity starts with individual freedom. Sounds abstract, but I still think it's an essential rule that many unfortunately either forget or disregard altogether.

And I mean freedom from, not freedom to. Not just from government but from other larger forces, like even "the black community." If humans are prone to corruption, and power corrupts, then I don't see how anyone can believe that the evils (of white leaders) would just disappear if we segregated ourselves and had black leaders instead. Sounds way too optimistic to me. If anything, we need more leaders but less followers.

But shouldn't we be allowed our own land and our own right to make mistakes ??

What's wrong with that?

Yes, of course!? That was my point. I'm not sure whether we're understanding each other.

But yes, we, as individuals (I really don't like the group/herd mentality) should be free to make our decisions and mistakes responsibly.

Of course, education is always an essential importance along the way that helps us not make those mistakes, but if we do, then we should hold ourselves accountable (with the exception of children).

As for land, I'm not sure what you mean.

If you're talking about private ownership, then of course. I'm 100% for that.

If you're talking about the 40 acres (and a mule), well, that's complicated, heh. I have a divided mind about reparations.

If you're talking about separatism or the carving out of America for a Black America, I'm also of a divided mind about that.

I'm just saying that it all starts from individual freedom from, imo.

Yeah your free to segregate yourself by "race". But...that is pretty hard to impossible to do in modern America. Also believe it or not the races were never really separate in America...due to Europeans forcing themselves on the others. So there seems to be a distorted understanding of segregation. That was less about real separation and more about using energy to try to keep people down...based on the color of your skin...makes a lot of sense and works great (obvious sarcasm smh) Which hurts the oppressor or perpretrator too.

This is a "come back here with me" topic. Who even sits around thinking about this. There is life to live in 2017.

People can choose who they want to associate with but as you said its personal choice. Maybe others dont want to limit themselves in those ways. All black people arent a monolith exactly the same...

Alright I went backwards enough to address this "topic" Im one who is about winning in todays world not going back to some theoretical and nonsensical...who knows what it is supposed to be.

That's interesting. I agree with you. I think you're right about segregation too, though the oppressor seems to always remain firmly in power/control despite the "self-harm."

But yeah, times have certainly changed, but I still think some "theory" is necessary, if I understand you correctly. It just needs to be accompanied by productive practice that fits, as you've said, our modern times as well.

I know people are tired of all the talking and inaction and even the action of marching and protesting, but that just means that we (as a group) are not being very proficient with the productive action part of it all.

 

[ThaNubianGod]

We could control either of these parties or both for that matter. Our vote tips the scales like no other one in America.

I might agree with most of what you've said, but this here doesn't seem to be true for what appears (to me at least) to be obvious reasons.

Blacks are, what, only 12% or 13% of the population? It's been said that we didn't really even vote Obama in office. White women did, right? We overwhelmingly vote Democrat, and they still lose at times. The Dems even take our vote for granted. Doesn't sound like we have as much political power as you say.

13% of the population yes, but a quarter of the Democrat party base. If we threatened to drop our support, the Dems would be done. If we threw our support to the GOP they couldn't lose. We hold the most unique position in American politics, we just use zero leverage. In fact, the Dems have us co-signing gay agendas, and their whole SJW platform. Latinos have lobbies putting pressure on both parties for open borders. We should demand the same when it comes to the Drug War, police abuse and a whole host of other issues. We should be electing political leaders looking out for our interests, which isn't being done.

 

[blackrain]

lol @ wanting segregation, that is so dumb.

Niggas talk about this shit like life was so great during segregation. Like black folks really had things so much better and actually having access to more was a detriment. Was there bad things that happened as a result of segregation? Yes. Nothing is all 100% good...but this mentality that removing segregation, legally, somehow stunted the black community is just stupid.

 

[blackrain]

Umar said some real shit recently on the Breakfast Club, black people are the only group that are thought being around your own people is bad and moving amongst whites is a come up.

That's not real shit..that's stupid shit because the black community ain't the only ones who think that. Asians do as well...folks talk about how latinos think that too.

 

[blackrain]

I don't think it's a dumb question, simply because the question makes you think. But I do think it's a weird-ass question, not that there is anything really wrong with weird questions.

Like others have said, integration vs. segregation is largely irrelevant, i.e., if the goal is peace and prosperity (as it should be?). The real question is much deeper than segregation or integration.

I've always believed peace and prosperity starts with individual freedom. Sounds abstract, but I still think it's an essential rule that many unfortunately either forget or disregard altogether.

And I mean freedom from, not freedom to. Not just from government but from other larger forces, like even "the black community." If humans are prone to corruption, and power corrupts, then I don't see how anyone can believe that the evils (of white leaders) would just disappear if we segregated ourselves and had black leaders instead. Sounds way too optimistic to me. If anything, we need more leaders but less followers.

The bold is something many don't want to admit to themselves. THey think simply removing white folks will erase alot of the social problems of the world? Nah. Someone in power will always do what they need to to maintain that power. They ain't just giving it up and being nice to folks to just because. Hell even white folks in power look down on lower class and poor white people. They do just enough to maintain and help push the idea that a "white man on any level is worth more than a black man" to make those idiots keep them in power.

 

[Broddie]

Black wallstreet though.

No matter how together black americans get it the assholes of the world will always seek to destroy it. It's depressing as fuck tbh.

 

[So ILL]

Low-key, segregation never left. But it definitely seems like we were more in tune back then. I was just telling someone how its wild how they organized a whole boycott of the bus system back then for over a year with nowhere close to the technology that we have now.

 

[blackrain]

Low-key, segregation never left. But it definitely seems like we were more in tune back then. I was just telling someone how its wild how they organized a whole boycott of the bus system back then for over a year with nowhere close to the technology that we have now.

1. It wasn't nationwide so it didn't require as much agreement as people think...

2. People still overstate about how much agreement people were over that and many other things involving the Civil Rights movement. All black folks weren't all in. Just like today there were plenty of "Nah don't rock the boat" or "Just what the fuck will this accomplish" question asking black folks.

 

[So ILL]

Low-key, segregation never left. But it definitely seems like we were more in tune back then. I was just telling someone how its wild how they organized a whole boycott of the bus system back then for over a year with nowhere close to the technology that we have now.

1. It wasn't nationwide so it didn't require as much agreement as people think...

2. People still overstate about how much agreement people were over that and many other things involving the Civil Rights movement. All black folks weren't all in. Just like today there were plenty of "Nah don't rock the boat" or "Just what the fuck will this accomplish" question asking black folks.

True, but you still have to respect that they made shit change by making a plan and sticking to it. Niggas can't even boycott international businesses in our neighborhoods now that don't benefit us, let alone shit that a lot of people in a good-sized city like Montgomery, Alabama uses on a daily basis.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Umar said some real shit recently on the Breakfast Club, black people are the only group that are thought being around your own people is bad and moving amongst whites is a come up.

That ain't even true. Plenty of people from other races try to get close to rich white people when they come up. I'm not really sure why so many people think the best way to help black people is to make up bullshit to attack black people.

Anyway, I don't think black people would be better off if segregation didn't end. There was more unity back then, so you can make a case for integration setting us back in a way. However, people seem to forget what happened to successful black communities back then. White people could basically destroy good black communities out right and walk away without consequence. Even if blacks were stronger and more unified back then, we still weren't really in a position to build anything that lasted in this country.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

Black people dont have the mentality to create and support thier own today. We worship european handbags and belts too much.

Black people dont have the mentality to create and support thier own today. We worship european handbags and belts too much.

cars nigga

cars too.

^^^SMH @ these two feminine subliminal posts

so only black people shouldn't enjoy nice handbags or belts..........and we should all drive buckets? :lol:

I don't recall there being any black owner luxury item manufacturers

and when Lavar Ball tried to sell some luxury shit, the same hating mofos had something negative to say about it

even while sitting there proudly with Nikes on their feet haha

niggaaaaaa

who the hell summoned you?

you always come cartwheeling out just so counter my shit...

the thread is about something an i see a problem I pointed out. stop being so defensive.

sublimal? nah nigga. don't give yourself so much credit.

I call a nigga out when needed. I don't sit an wait for certain people.

an yes...I am proud of my cheap ass sneakers....you still missed the point on that ...while also missing my point in the lavar thread. but all you see is hating? lol. overpriced is overpriced no matter the brand and lets not get back started on lavar.

opposing views are always welcomed by me...I'm always up for a debate...

but you.....seems your only objective is to prove me wrong....sounds suspect but ehh. I don't hate on the gays.

cut the shit bruh.......I just call out bullshit when I see it

u take weak wristed shots all the time and then play victim whenever someone points it out

then u lift ur skirt like always and try to deflect

the reason me and u disagree is cuz I can't relate to fake balling/flossing type niggaz

it's either u truly humble and don't give a damn about luxuries............or u a "baller" who money must be too short to really compete, that's why u hating on the next man in a better car than u :joy:

yeah u proud of ur sneakers cuz u a crab type nigga proud to wear Nikes.....meanwhile there are plenty of really cheap shoes u could wear instead since u so concerned about shit being overpriced

but don't mind me for pointing out the obvious flaws in ur logic as usual

homotional.

^^deflection as usual

but please share with us all why u chose a pair of Nikes instead of another pair of cheaper shoes since u so concerned about overpriced shit while u also claim to be a "baller" at same the time :joy:

but I get it, the "white man's ice is always colder" to u as another poster said on here

i never said the ice is colder shit.....an you really got me fukked up.

i must explain this last time...the sneakers can pass for boots...2 things in 1...an was cheap. so i bought them. and you can be a baller with out having to spend all your money just because you got it.

 

[2stepz_ahead]

hating ass niggaz like @2stepz_ahead are why we can never build our own shit and our kids continue to feel like we need white people.......how stupid/hypocritical would he be to cosign anything but integration

Lavar Ball stepped out there to build something of his own while mofos sat on the sidelines.......and mofos still hated when he was teaching his kids the value of owning their own shit, instead of being owned by somebody else

we don't need to be officially segregated to build our own shit, but it's too many virus niggaz out here who like to play both sides

they love using the black community for support when shit is hard, but when they feel like they got a lil bit of money or status them same mofos love being surrounded by crackas

you still on lavar...ok lets close this up too.

no one tried the sneaker...so cant say its luxury...hes coming out with an arrogant marketing scheme....nothing humble about it. then priced then up. nahh.....he gets an A for effort but the way hes going about will hurt him in the long run and put too much pressure on his child to be great. he sneaker will sell just to lakers fans an he can make money....

just me...i dont like opportunist type niggas no matter the color. he needs to look out for his son first and market the shoe to his abilities agaisnt the pros.

and for all that other shit.....nigga you must be drunk.

cuz you still dont touch all the shit i have ben trying o do here...connecting, networking, motivivation, advising and learning....you like to try to stay on some one thing and that that makes you right. when you dont know what your talking about.

yoiu sounding more like a virus nigga....always coming in here hating with your shit,

you dont even debate....you first shit is hate.

you over in the dave ramsey thread hating,.

hating on anyone wanting to learn something you may already know.

how about you add to the thread and try to be positive.

and i expect to see your ass all up in any black excellence thread. cheering and support

 

[Jamaican Curry Bwoy]

I don't think it's a dumb question, simply because the question makes you think. But I do think it's a weird-ass question, not that there is anything really wrong with weird questions.

Like others have said, integration vs. segregation is largely irrelevant, i.e., if the goal is peace and prosperity (as it should be?). The real question is much deeper than segregation or integration.

I've always believed peace and prosperity starts with individual freedom. Sounds abstract, but I still think it's an essential rule that many unfortunately either forget or disregard altogether.

And I mean freedom from, not freedom to. Not just from government but from other larger forces, like even "the black community." If humans are prone to corruption, and power corrupts, then I don't see how anyone can believe that the evils (of white leaders) would just disappear if we segregated ourselves and had black leaders instead. Sounds way too optimistic to me. If anything, we need more leaders but less followers.

But shouldn't we be allowed our own land and our own right to make mistakes ??

What's wrong with that?

Allowed?! if its yours you should take it back by force and protect it until you death!

 

[jetlifebih]

I don't think it's a dumb question, simply because the question makes you think. But I do think it's a weird-ass question, not that there is anything really wrong with weird questions.

Like others have said, integration vs. segregation is largely irrelevant, i.e., if the goal is peace and prosperity (as it should be?). The real question is much deeper than segregation or integration.

I've always believed peace and prosperity starts with individual freedom. Sounds abstract, but I still think it's an essential rule that many unfortunately either forget or disregard altogether.

And I mean freedom from, not freedom to. Not just from government but from other larger forces, like even "the black community." If humans are prone to corruption, and power corrupts, then I don't see how anyone can believe that the evils (of white leaders) would just disappear if we segregated ourselves and had black leaders instead. Sounds way too optimistic to me. If anything, we need more leaders but less followers.

But shouldn't we be allowed our own land and our own right to make mistakes ??

What's wrong with that?

Allowed?! if its yours you should take it back by force and protect it until you death!

Didn't mean to say allowed as if we need permission, I meant we should have a right to our own just like anybody else, and even if it gets corrupted, we should still have the right to be corrupted if we so choose....

 

[5th Letter]

Umar said some real shit recently on the Breakfast Club, black people are the only group that are thought being around your own people is bad and moving amongst whites is a come up.

That's not real shit..that's stupid shit because the black community ain't the only ones who think that. Asians do as well...folks talk about how latinos think that too.

So Asians don't have an entire community across the US where they live amongst themselves and distribute resources amongst themselves? Are you being naive again? Then you bring up latinos like there aren't latinos of different races and ethnicities that stick together.

 

[luke1733]

I always hear how this "system wasn't made for us". Do you think if we remained segregated we would come up with a system of our own that worked?

If we were not messed with then yes to segregation. The problem is it was segregation with us having to continue to pay taxes and have our communities raided by terrorists, police, military and government, AND hospitals infecting us and schools and teachers not receiving funding and banks not lending us money, and government jobs being withheld and strict restrictions that prohibited us from even leaving our communities to travel to other black communities. The inequalities under the Constitution 3/5ths of a man and so on are what made segregation an unrealistic option for Af. Americans.

So segregation under a government at war with Black people would have some benefits but it would also have repercussions. With all that said, if we could have had segregation with reparations then YES I would have been for it. If we could have had segregation with at least a Supreme Court ruling on what African Americans have invested into America and receive a state with finances, structure and a lifestyle compromising or parallel to our contributions then YES. And YES to the other point being that even in the extreme of all the benefits I enjoy now, I would even sign on to say YES to segregation under our terms and not by White America's terms of what it will do to us if segregation was offered.

For example in short: (Blacks would have access to free trade, receive grants as every other community, property, police, military, technologically advanced schools, and so on)

A sheep among wolves is not good for the sheep. The position we were/are put in America largely makes us a victim to circumstance instead of sovereign dictators of our destiny.

 

[blakfyahking]

hating ass niggaz like @2stepz_ahead are why we can never build our own shit and our kids continue to feel like we need white people.......how stupid/hypocritical would he be to cosign anything but integration

Lavar Ball stepped out there to build something of his own while mofos sat on the sidelines.......and mofos still hated when he was teaching his kids the value of owning their own shit, instead of being owned by somebody else

we don't need to be officially segregated to build our own shit, but it's too many virus niggaz out here who like to play both sides

they love using the black community for support when shit is hard, but when they feel like they got a lil bit of money or status them same mofos love being surrounded by crackas

you still on lavar...ok lets close this up too.

no one tried the sneaker...so cant say its luxury...hes coming out with an arrogant marketing scheme....nothing humble about it. then priced then up. nahh.....he gets an A for effort but the way hes going about will hurt him in the long run and put too much pressure on his child to be great. he sneaker will sell just to lakers fans an he can make money....

just me...i dont like opportunist type niggas no matter the color. he needs to look out for his son first and market the shoe to his abilities agaisnt the pros.

and for all that other shit.....nigga you must be drunk.

cuz you still dont touch all the shit i have ben trying o do here...connecting, networking, motivivation, advising and learning....you like to try to stay on some one thing and that that makes you right. when you dont know what your talking about.

yoiu sounding more like a virus nigga....always coming in here hating with your shit,

you dont even debate....you first shit is hate.

you over in the dave ramsey thread hating,.

hating on anyone wanting to learn something you may already know.

how about you add to the thread and try to be positive.

and i expect to see your ass all up in any black excellence thread. cheering and support

bruh if talking shit about niggaz for buying luxuries that they can afford isn't hating, then what is?

as far as that Lavar Ball shit I notice u still avoided my whole wearing Nikes argument.....which is why I don't debate u......u not really interested in debating and u can't argue/reason with a liar haha

all the other shit I can't speak on cuz I really don't care what it is u are attempting to do here.......and I've already pointed out multiple times how u have already contradicted yaself

I can't cheer and support someone who isn't sincere about black excellence........in ur mind the only way a person is successful if they live the way u think they should live

u surround yaself with crackas on purpose and then talk shit about niggaz getting more money than u

yet I'm supposed to believe u sincere about "black excellence" :joy:

no way the black community can build its own shit with mofos like u pretending u on our side

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Umar said some real shit recently on the Breakfast Club, black people are the only group that are thought being around your own people is bad and moving amongst whites is a come up.

That's not real shit..that's stupid shit because the black community ain't the only ones who think that. Asians do as well...folks talk about how latinos think that too.

So Asians don't have an entire community across the US where they live amongst themselves and distribute resources amongst themselves? Are you being naive again? Then you bring up latinos like there aren't latinos of different races and ethnicities that stick together.

You do know blacks have neighborhoods where they do the same too in this country right? And I'm not just talking about the hood. Also not every Asian person lives in Chinatown. You think when you go to rich mostly white neighborhoods throughout the country that you don't see Asians there too? Come on man.

 

[Swiffness!]

I always hear how this "system wasn't made for us". Do you think if we remained segregated we would come up with a system of our own that worked?

We did and they burned those communities /establishments to the ground..via the govt.

So no

easier to shoot fish in a barrel

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