Aang vs Storm

[The Lonious Monk]

The first part....she's shown significantly more power than Aang with her storms than he has with....anything he's ever done. With 0 speculation and using only feats you would literally have to say she overpowers him. She has the feats to prove it.

You keep on talking about brute power. I've said about 5 times already that Storm has more power than Aang. That doesn't mean she will beat him. She doesn't have the feats to prove that she can do it because her being able to make huge hurricanes doesn't mean she can overpower Aang's ability to bend the elements. Again, creating huge hurricanes says absolutely nothing about what she can or can't do against someone who is also very able when it comes to controlling the elements.

Second part, not true and a no limit fallacy. Just because you can control something doesn't mean it can never hurt you despite the force. Ask any energy manipulator that gets overloaded. That's like saying Aang could manipulate Thor's Wind of a thousand worlds (that beat a skyfather) because he can control wind. It doesn't work that way.

At no point did I say that Aang's control was indomitable. My point was that Storm spreading her power out in the manner you're suggesting would be pointless. If you were claiming that Storm could hit Aang with 1000 mph wind, then maybe I'd agree because that's a direct attack that may be beyond Aang's ability. However, you're talking about Storm creating a massive hurricane. Well the hurricane being huge is just overkill. If Aang is able to bend hurricane force wind, the hurricane country sized doesn't mean a whole lot.

Also Storm's exhibited more control than Aang. She's fought elementals and controlled their very being. She's taken control of other people's storms, she uses the wind to sense, defend, attack, fly, vortex,suffocate,funnel planet ripping power, etc. all at the speed of thought. She literally used lightning to not only give her life force back, she's used it as a shield. They're two different levels and Storm's lightyears above Aang.

And Aang doesn't even control lightning so he's dead with that anyways.

Once again, you're trotting out a list of high level feats and acting like Storm operates on those levels all the time. She's been bested by less than planet ripping power before, so stop acting like it takes that or more to defeat her. It doesn't. See that's the problem with comics vs anime/cartoon discussions. Most of these comic characters have been around for decades. Their powers fluctuate and they have extremely high level feats and very low level feats. Where as most anime/cartoon characters are around for a much longer time and don't necessarily have the all the ridiculously high level feats that some comic characters have, but they don't usually have the low ones either. As I've already pointed out. Storm has been bested by people weaker than Aang in the past, so acting like he has no chance is silly.

 

[DarkRaiden]

The first part....she's shown significantly more power than Aang with her storms than he has with....anything he's ever done. With 0 speculation and using only feats you would literally have to say she overpowers him. She has the feats to prove it.

You keep on talking about brute power. I've said about 5 times already that Storm has more power than Aang. That doesn't mean she will beat him. She doesn't have the feats to prove that she can do it because her being able to make huge hurricanes doesn't mean she can overpower Aang's ability to bend the elements. Again, creating huge hurricanes says absolutely nothing about what she can or can't do against someone who is also very able when it comes to controlling the elements.

Second part, not true and a no limit fallacy. Just because you can control something doesn't mean it can never hurt you despite the force. Ask any energy manipulator that gets overloaded. That's like saying Aang could manipulate Thor's Wind of a thousand worlds (that beat a skyfather) because he can control wind. It doesn't work that way.

At no point did I say that Aang's control was indomitable. My point was that Storm spreading her power out in the manner you're suggesting would be pointless. If you were claiming that Storm could hit Aang with 1000 mph wind, then maybe I'd agree because that's a direct attack that may be beyond Aang's ability. However, you're talking about Storm creating a massive hurricane. Well the hurricane being huge is just overkill. If Aang is able to bend hurricane force wind, the hurricane country sized doesn't mean a whole lot.

Also Storm's exhibited more control than Aang. She's fought elementals and controlled their very being. She's taken control of other people's storms, she uses the wind to sense, defend, attack, fly, vortex,suffocate,funnel planet ripping power, etc. all at the speed of thought. She literally used lightning to not only give her life force back, she's used it as a shield. They're two different levels and Storm's lightyears above Aang.

And Aang doesn't even control lightning so he's dead with that anyways.

Once again, you're trotting out a list of high level feats and acting like Storm operates on those levels all the time. She's been bested by less than planet ripping power before, so stop acting like it takes that or more to defeat her. It doesn't. See that's the problem with comics vs anime/cartoon discussions. Most of these comic characters have been around for decades. Their powers fluctuate and they have extremely high level feats and very low level feats. Where as most anime/cartoon characters are around for a much longer time and don't necessarily have the all the ridiculously high level feats that some comic characters have, but they don't usually have the low ones either. As I've already pointed out. Storm has been bested by people weaker than Aang in the past, so acting like he has no chance is silly.

And Aang's been beaten by like....normal people, Zuko, Azula, etc. Combustion Man had Aang dead to rights whereas Storm would easily destroy him. And she does have the feats to say she'd beat Aang. She's overpowered and outcontrolled other element users, no reason she wouldn't do it to him.

Hell just the other day they showed Aang struggling (dying) against a small fire nation force that Storm would've decimated. He struggled against a powerless Azula and like...2 earth benders. Again, Storm would've decimated.

Storm's beaten better people than Aang without her powers (Cyclops).

 

[The Lonious Monk]

So basically you're taking Storm at her highest and comparing her to Aang when he was still learning how to use his powers. lol Ok

 

[jaxn]

Zuko, Azula and Combustion Man are "normal" people???

 

[jaxn]

Cyclops is >>> Aang now?? wtf???

 

[jaxn]

I honestly think this shit is a tie... They can both counter each others powers. Nobody has posted anything the other hasnt done before

Their powers work differently and they definitely do things the other can't.

Storm can't create fire from nothing or manipulate Earth and Aang can't shoot ice from his hands. Just as an example.

Aang also can't create a city or country wide storm that engulfs everything. He can't even shoot lightning the way Storm can, he has to redirect it. And Storm can create plasma and has made earthquakes on occasion.

How exactly would a country wide storm make a difference in a one on one fight? Everyone can agree that Storm can affect the elements on a way larger scale than Aang, but that doesn't really matter in the context of this discussion.

And if Aang has learned how to lightning bend then he can recreate it. The whole redirecting lightning is just one of the steps to learning how to do it. Those who know how to do it can create their own lightning just like they create their own fire.

Aang can't do that though....not from what's been shown.

And a country/city-wide storm means she can engulf the entire area and not even worry about aiming or trying to hit him, a storm with that much energy would be destructive enough to easily wipe out an opponent in 1v1 combat unless they were super durable which Aang is not.

It would be destructive enough to easily wipe out an opponent IF that opponent couldn't bend those very elements nullifying them. Aang doesn't have to counter the entire countrywide storm. He only had to defend against the part that's a threat to him, which he could do.

The fact that Storm can make a country-wide storm with the power to overpower Hulk, Sentinels, etc. proves she has the brute force factor over Aang. If it comes down to control vs. control Storm wins cause she's stronger and faster by a large margin. Plus she can do multiple at once, aang won't be able to keep up.

You have absolutely no way of knowing that. If cats in here don't want to allow for the speculation that Aang improved his skills as he grew up, there is no way that you can assume that Storm can overpower Aang. Being able to do more of something is not the same as being able to do something better. Once again, Storm creating a huge hurricane where 99.9999% of its power will have no effect on Aang is meaningless. He doesn't have to bend the whole hurricane. He only has to bend the relatively miniscule portion of it that will affect him. And it's irrelevant what the brute force of the hurricane can do to Hulk or a Sentinel. Aang doesn't have to withstand the brute force of the elements because he can literally control them. He doesn't have to stop the wind. He can just funnel it around himself.

Frankly, even is Storm could win, it wouldn't be using the strategy that you guys keep bringing up. Once again, it does not matter that Storm can affect the elements on a larger scale than Aang. Making countrywide hurricanes and things on that level would be a supreme waste of energy when fighting a single person and definitely takes more focus and effort on Storm's part than simply using attacks that can easily be directed on Aang.

The first part....she's shown significantly more power than Aang with her storms than he has with....anything he's ever done. With 0 speculation and using only feats you would literally have to say she overpowers him. She has the feats to prove it

Aang doesn't walk around creating storms and creating storms is irrelevant in a fight like this. Storm can make it rain and Aang can control literally all the water in his vicinity..He can control literally all the air/wind in his vicinity and use them in manners that Storm cannot. Storm cannot use water like a whip. Storm cannot change the temperature of water in the manner that benders can in ATLA. They can literally use water as a whip and freeze certain parts of the water whip. On average I would say Storm wouldn't over power him. What exactly would she be over powering him with? Elements that he himself bend? Storm isn't Thor. She doesn't operate at Thor levels.

Second part, not true and a no limit fallacy. Just because you can control something doesn't mean it can never hurt you despite the force. Ask any energy manipulator that gets overloaded. That's like saying Aan could manipulate Thor's Wind of a thousand worlds (that beat a skyfather) because he can control wind. It doesn't work that way.

No shit, that's exactly why Storm would lose this fight. Just because she can create storms etc, she doesn't control the elements in the manner as benders. Storm creates a tornado..great..Aang can use said tornado against her while creating his own. She creates a storm..even better, more ammo for Aang to manipulate. He can encase her in ice while she's conjuring up clouds. I mean, it's like you've never watched a single episode and yet come in her acting like an expert. You keep listing the things that Storm does that Aang can't like it's not a two way street. Her powers don't work like the benders in the series. There are abilities Aang has that Storm can't compensate for. Wind, water, lightning is nothing new for Aang. His entire world is filled basically with elementals. He fights people with the ability to bend elements on a regular basis. He's fought people who fire lightning and he's handled it with no problems as a child, how much more powerful do you think he became as an adult?

Also Storm's exhibited more control than Aang. .

She's shown more control in certain aspects but their powers are different. Aang has shown more control in actually manipulating the elements and let's be clear here. Aang does have more than just air and water bending. You haven't commented on how Storm will deal with his Earth, Fire and Energy bending..

She's fought elementals and controlled their very being.

and this means what?

She's taken control of other people's storms, she uses the wind to sense, defend, attack, fly, vortex,suffocate,funnel planet ripping power, etc. all at the speed of thought. She literally used lightning to not only give her life force back, she's used it as a shield. They're two different levels and Storm's lightyears above Aang.

you really have no clue what you're talking about. It was fun at first but now it's just sad. High end feats only really aren't good to use. Folks can start bringing up low end feats and use that as a basis for powerlevels.

And Aang doesn't even control lightning so he's dead with that anyways.

yeah ok.

 

[jaxn]

So basically you're taking Storm at her highest and comparing her to Aang when he was still learning how to use his powers. lol Ok

basically. He's comparing a high end storm to a 10/12 year boy just learning his abilities.

 

[jaxn]

The first part....she's shown significantly more power than Aang with her storms than he has with....anything he's ever done. With 0 speculation and using only feats you would literally have to say she overpowers him. She has the feats to prove it.

You keep on talking about brute power. I've said about 5 times already that Storm has more power than Aang. That doesn't mean she will beat him. She doesn't have the feats to prove that she can do it because her being able to make huge hurricanes doesn't mean she can overpower Aang's ability to bend the elements. Again, creating huge hurricanes says absolutely nothing about what she can or can't do against someone who is also very able when it comes to controlling the elements.

Second part, not true and a no limit fallacy. Just because you can control something doesn't mean it can never hurt you despite the force. Ask any energy manipulator that gets overloaded. That's like saying Aang could manipulate Thor's Wind of a thousand worlds (that beat a skyfather) because he can control wind. It doesn't work that way.

At no point did I say that Aang's control was indomitable. My point was that Storm spreading her power out in the manner you're suggesting would be pointless. If you were claiming that Storm could hit Aang with 1000 mph wind, then maybe I'd agree because that's a direct attack that may be beyond Aang's ability. However, you're talking about Storm creating a massive hurricane. Well the hurricane being huge is just overkill. If Aang is able to bend hurricane force wind, the hurricane country sized doesn't mean a whole lot.

Also Storm's exhibited more control than Aang. She's fought elementals and controlled their very being. She's taken control of other people's storms, she uses the wind to sense, defend, attack, fly, vortex,suffocate,funnel planet ripping power, etc. all at the speed of thought. She literally used lightning to not only give her life force back, she's used it as a shield. They're two different levels and Storm's lightyears above Aang.

And Aang doesn't even control lightning so he's dead with that anyways.

Once again, you're trotting out a list of high level feats and acting like Storm operates on those levels all the time. She's been bested by less than planet ripping power before, so stop acting like it takes that or more to defeat her. It doesn't. See that's the problem with comics vs anime/cartoon discussions. Most of these comic characters have been around for decades. Their powers fluctuate and they have extremely high level feats and very low level feats. Where as most anime/cartoon characters are around for a much longer time and don't necessarily have the all the ridiculously high level feats that some comic characters have, but they don't usually have the low ones either. As I've already pointed out. Storm has been bested by people weaker than Aang in the past, so acting like he has no chance is silly.

And Aang's been beaten by like....normal people, Zuko, Azula, etc. Combustion Man had Aang dead to rights whereas Storm would easily destroy him. And she does have the feats to say she'd beat Aang. She's overpowered and outcontrolled other element users, no reason she wouldn't do it to him.

If Zuko, Azula and CM are "normal" people, then what are the X-men?? Last time I checked, Zuko, Azula and CM were born with their abilities just like mutants. I wonder if Sunfire and the Human Torch think they're just "normal" people..hell all they can do is shoot fire..hold up, so can Zuko and Azula..I wonder if Cyclops thinks he's a "normal" person with shooting concussive blasts and all, similar to, hold up..Combustion Man..yeah, Zuko, Azula and CM, you're so "normal" how did you even make it in a series about folks who can manipulate the elements?

Hell just the other day they showed Aang struggling (dying) against a small fire nation force that Storm would've decimated. He struggled against a powerless Azula and like...2 earth benders. Again, Storm would've decimated.

the only time Aang almost died is when Azula shot him in the back with lightning. What small fire nation force are you speaking of that caused him to "struggle"? If by struggle, you mean chase Azula then I guess you're right since you know, Azula ran that entire fight..those two earthbenders ( i guess they're just "normal" too) were Dai Li agents and considered elite. But hey Storm wins because whatever right..

Storm's beaten better people than Aang without her powers (Cyclops).

This is one of the funniest posts by you. Cyclops is somehow better than Aang. Aang as a child would own the fuck out of Cyclops but hey he's better

 

[DarkRaiden]

Aang doesn't walk around creating storms and creating storms is irrelevant in a fight like this. Storm can make it rain and Aang can control literally all the water in his vicinity..He can control literally all the air/wind in his vicinity and use them in manners that Storm cannot. Storm cannot use water like a whip. Storm cannot change the temperature of water in the manner that benders can in ATLA. They can literally use water as a whip and freeze certain parts of the water whip. On average I would say Storm wouldn't over power him. What exactly would she be over powering him with? Elements that he himself bend? Storm isn't Thor. She doesn't operate at Thor levels.

Unsurprisingly, you're wrong. She can and does control water and wind in such a way. And yes she would overpower him, Storm operates at a hemisphere level, Aang doesn't even get to building level.

Let's see how storms are useful in a fight:

vs. Phoenix

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tornado taking out the x-men:

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vs. a giant vibranium kraken-like being (yes she breaks vibranium):

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vs. Hulk

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Freezing water:

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No shit, that's exactly why Storm would lose this fight. Just because she can create storms etc, she doesn't control the elements in the manner as benders. Storm creates a tornado..great..Aang can use said tornado against her while creating his own. She creates a storm..even better, more ammo for Aang to manipulate. He can encase her in ice while she's conjuring up clouds. I mean, it's like you've never watched a single episode and yet come in her acting like an expert. You keep listing the things that Storm does that Aang can't like it's not a two way street. Her powers don't work like the benders in the series. There are abilities Aang has that Storm can't compensate for. Wind, water, lightning is nothing new for Aang. His entire world is filled basically with elementals. He fights people with the ability to bend elements on a regular basis. He's fought people who fire lightning and he's handled it with no problems as a child, how much more powerful do you think he became as an adult?

First of all, lightning benders are 1000x slower than Storm's lightning and 1000x weaker. As are their wind, water, and so on. And he didn't become much stronger as an adult from what they've shown.

Second of all, bruh. She doesn't take time to create clouds. Her storms are instant. Blink of an eye/speed of thought.

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Anyways, her controlling elements and elementals (people who literally become elements

wind:

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water:

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elements/storms:

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She's shown more control in certain aspects but their powers are different. Aang has shown more control in actually manipulating the elements and let's be clear here. Aang does have more than just air and water bending. You haven't commented on how Storm will deal with his Earth, Fire and Energy bending..

vs. Fire:

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tanking Legion's fire:

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something she could do to counter earth bending (especially since she flies):

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you really have no clue what you're talking about. It was fun at first but now it's just sad. High end feats only really aren't good to use. Folks can start bringing up low end feats and use that as a basis for powerlevels.

Her high end feats are doing planetwide ice ages, taking control of the galactic core (thousands of stars), funneling planet splitting power, hurting Silver Surfer, dissipating Stardust herald of Galactus, hurting Gladiator with her winds, protecting the world from planet busting Solar Flares, etc. I'm naming her normal feats.

So, as you learned today, Storm controls the elements better than Aang does, is hundreds of thousands of times more powerful, and is 1000x faster. Don't worry, you were uninformed and I merely taught you something. Happens to the best of us.

 

[jaxn]

^^ that's cute. I'll just post vids. Just a little background. In this universe, instead of mutants you have benders. The Avatar is the only person who can bend all four elements: earth, air, fire and water. The Avatar is Wan who is reincarnated over and over again. Every feat shown for any Avatar can be applied to them all since they retain the knowledge etc..Avatars are usually given years to master each element. Aang was given one year to complete his training. The entire 3 seasons take place in a year's time. Aang is 12 at the beginning, 13 by the end. Once mastering an element, the Avatar will be more powerful than said master. The Avatar is also one with the "Light" spirit Rava. Aang mastered airbending prior to learning he was the Avatar, so that would make him around 11 becoming an airbending master. As an airbender they have some level of superspeed and superb agility on the level of your Gambit's of the world. I'll just post vids showing how benders operate in this world and how they are able to manipulate the elements

Just Airbending examples:


Aang & Katara fighting "normal" Zuko and Azula:


Aang sparring with his old friend King Bumi (an earthbending master) Keep in mind, Bumi isn't really trying to hurt Aang. He hasn't seen Aang in 100 years:


Being the Avatar, he can access the Avatar State, which is a power boost utilizing the energies of Rava and himself. A feat by any avatar is a feat for them all since they are all one and the same:


Here is Aang and crew fighting "normal" Combustion Man:


Aang vs. Azula (who is Zuko's younger sister and a prodigy like Toph):


Zuko vs. Azula (bending examples)


Using common sense, everyone will be more powerful as an adult than a child, except for Aang i guess, but here are a few feats by other Avatars:


Examples of waterbending (Katara vs. Master Paku):


Examples of earthbending (The GOAT Toph Bei Fong):


Aang vs. Firelord Ozai ( the most powerful firbender in the show aside from Aang) Aang did not want to kill Ozai and is a pacifist by his nature of being a monk. Ozai and the firebenders were being powered up by a comet:


Bloodbending example (literally bending the blood in your body):


Waterbending example (Unalaq vs Tonraq):


Avatar Korra vs. Dark Avatar Unalaq:


Avatar Korra vs. Vaatu (the Dark Spirit, the other half of Rava):


Korra vs. Vaatu (part 2):


Korra vs. Red Lotus (Korra was poisoned with mercury. she's actively trying to prevent herself from entering the Avatar State. The chains are made out of platinum and no metalbender can bend them):

 

[jaxn]

examples of earth and metal bending. This is Lin and Suyin, Toph Bei Fong's daughters sparring:

 

[jaxn]

yeah obviously Storm manipulates the elements like these benders.

Tenzin (Aang's son) vs Zaheer and Red Lotus:


The first Avatar, Wan fighting Vaatu for the first time. Rava used to be as big as Vaatu before Wan seperated them. Vaatu became more powerful due to the chaos spreading. Rava grew weaker. Prior to this Wan traveled the world to obtain the ability to bend from lion turtles. He was only able to bend multiple elements because Rava "held" them for him. Prior to them merging, he could only bend one element at a time. Once they became one, the Avatar was born:

 

[jaxn]

By the way Korra is around 17 in those clips. She became a fully realized Avatar in the first season. I posted them just to give an idea of an Avatar older than 12. Aang didn't become fully realized until basically the end of season 2, but Azula shot him in the back, severing his connection to the state. When he fought Ozai, the connection was regained. Being fully realized means they have complete control of the AS and can enter in and out at will.

 

[jaxn]

Desna and Eska vs Ming Hua (waterbending examples)


Aang's children vs. Red Lotus:


White Lotus (Bumi, Iroh, Paku, Piando vs the Fire Nation):


Earthbending examples (King Bumi is about 112 years old):


Avatar Roku explaining his training to Aang (Roku was the Avatar prior to Aang):

 

[jaxn]

Korra vs Tarrlock (Amon's brother who also happens to be a bloodbender):

 

[BangEm_Bart]

Yea after watching this, storm got this easily,

 

[jaxn]

oh ok

 

[BangEm_Bart]

Storm is levitating in the air deflecting all of aangs attacks and then hits him with a reverse tornado at full capacity then game over.

 

[soul rattler]

Storm is levitating in the air deflecting all of aangs attacks and then hits him with a reverse tornado at full capacity then game over.

Can't deflect someone controlling every muscle in your body via blood bending.

 

[BangEm_Bart]

Na Aang doesn't blood bend also if she has faster reflexes with weather that means a blood bender won't have time.