A VERY INTERESTING CONVERSATION (between an atheist professor and a christian student)

[tru_m.a.c]

I understand what ya are saying but in the end he proved that science also belive in faith.Or is faith driven.

no he didn't

this is the argument dawkins uses when he says he doesn't choose to believe in gravity. He doesn't jump out of windows and go "well damn I hope gravity doesn't work today." Its not fuckn driven by faith lol

 

[Dirty Words]

The student had him until the brain thing.. All you gotta do is crack open a niggas skull.. There is a brain, it's been seen.. Either way whenever people have convo's like this I just end it quick because it's pointless, neither side can prove anything with fact, therefore neither point of view is right.. It's just about who can make who seem more incorrect.. In the end, there is no answer..

 

[Doctopian]

This shit again?

*insert Russell's Teapot and counterarguments to Pascal's Wager here*

 

[The Lonious Monk]

Yeh, not only is this "conversation" a myth, but both fictional arguments are poor.

I don't know why you caught so many bad ratings, but I was thinking the same thing. You can tell by the way it's organized. The prof asks the student a bunch of quests that anyone could have given a response to, good or bad, yet the student is somehow unable to come up with one. Then suddenly he has this "deep" philosophy that the professor is lost against despite the fact that his points weren't anymore well thought out than the ones the professor had.

 

[damobb2deep]

good read... smh @ niggas tryna say dude was "WRONG"...cuz made a good argument...

 

[ol_buddy]

LOL @ "(The Lecture Theatre became very quiet with this turn of events)"

 

[caddo man]

SOmething i saw on Fb and thought was interesting, most of you wont read it but those of you who will i think will find it interesting.....me, i thought it very interesting, and i am not religious, but do believe in God...hope a few can make it to the end

An Atheist Professor of Philosophy was speaking to his Class on the Problem Science has

With GOD , the ALMIGHTY. He asked one of his New Christian Students to stand and . . .

Professor : You are a Christian, aren't you, son ?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor : So, you Believe in GOD ?

Student : Absolutely, sir.

Professor : Is GOD Good ?

Student : Sure.

Professor : Is GOD ALL - POWERFUL ?

Student : Yes.

Professor : My Brother died of Cancer even though he Prayed to GOD to Heal him. Most of us would attempt to help others who are ill. But GOD didn't. How is this GOD good then? Hmm?

(Student was silent )

Professor : You can't answer, can you ? Let's start again, Young Fella.

Is GOD Good?

Student : Yes.

Professor : Is Satan good ?

Student : No.

Professor : Where does Satan come from ?

Student : From . . . GOD . . .

Professor : That's right. Tell me son, is there evil in this World?

Student : Yes.

Professor : Evil is everywhere, isn't it ? And GOD did make everything. Correct?

Student : Yes.

Professor : So who created evil ?

(Student did not answer)

Professor : Is there Sickness? Immorality? Hatred? Ugliness?

All these terrible things exist in the World, don't they?

Student : Yes, sir.

Professor : So, who Created them ?

(Student ha d no answer)

Professor : Science says you have 5 Senses you use to Identify and Observe the World around you. Tell me, son . . . Have you ever Seen GOD?

Student : No, sir.

Professor : Tell us if you have ever Heard your GOD?

Student : No , sir.

Professor : Have you ever Felt your GOD , Tasted your GOD , Smelt your GOD ? Have you ever had any Sensory Perception of GOD for that matter?

Student : No, sir. I'm afraid I haven't.

Professor : Yet you still Believe in HIM?

Student : Yes.

Professor : According to Empirical, Testable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says your GOD doesn't exist. What do you say to that, son?

Student : Nothing. I only have my Faith.

Professor : Yes, Faith. And that is the Problem Science has.

Student : Professor, is there such a thing as Heat?

Professor : Yes.

Student : And is there such a thing as Cold?

Professor : Yes.

Student : No, sir. There isn't..

(The Lecture Theatre became very quiet with this turn of events )

Student : Sir, you can have Lots of Heat, even More Heat, Superheat, Mega Heat, White Heat,

a Little Heat or No Heat.

But we don't have anything called Cold.

We can hit 458 Degrees below Zero which is No Heat, but we can't go any further after that.

There is no such thing as Cold.

Cold is only a Word we use to describe the Absence of Heat.

We cannot Measure Cold.

Heat is Energy.

Cold is Not the Opposite of Heat, sir, just the Absence of it.

(There was Pin-Drop Silence in the Lecture Theatre )

Student : What about Darkness, Professor? Is there such a thing as Darkness?

Professor : Yes. What is Night if there isn't Darkness?

Student : You're wrong again, sir. Darkness is the Absence of Something

You can have Low Light, Normal Light, Bright Light, Flashing Light . . . But if you have No Light constantly, you have nothing and its called Darkness, isn't it? In reality, Darkness isn't. If it is, were you would be able to make Darkness Darker, wouldn't you?

Professor : So what is the point you are making, Young Man ?

Student : Sir, my point is your Philosophical Premise is flawed.

Professor : Flawed ? Can you explain how?

Student : Sir, you are working on the Premise of Duality. You argue there is Life and then there is Death, a Good GOD and a Bad GOD. You are viewing the Concept of GOD as something finite, something we can measure. Sir, Science can't even explain a Thought. It uses Electricity and Magnetism, but has never seen, much less fully understood either one. To view Death as the Opposite of Life is to be ignorant of the fact that Death cannot exist as a Substantive Thing.

Death is Not the Opposite of Life: just the Absence of it

Now tell me, Professor, do you teach your Students that they evolved from a Monkey?

Professor : If you are referring to the Natural Evolutionary Process, yes, of course, I do.

Student : Have you ever observed Evolution with your own eyes, sir?

(The Professor shook his head with a Smile, beginning to realize where the Argument was going )

Student : Since no one has ever observed the Process of Evolution at work and Cannot even prove that this Process is an On-Going Endeavor,

Are you not teaching your Opinion, sir?

Are you not a Scientist but a Preacher?

(The Class was in Uproar )

Student : Is there anyone in the Class who has ever seen the Professor's Brain?

(The Class broke out into Laughter )

Student : Is there anyone here who has ever heard the Professor's Brain, Felt it, touched or Smelt it? . . .

No one appears to have done so.

So, according to the Established Rules of Empirical, Stable, Demonstrable Protocol, Science says that You have No Brain, sir. With all due respect, sir, how do we then Trust your Lectures, sir?

(The Room was Silent. The Professor stared at the Student, his face unfathomable)

Professor : I guess you'll have to take them on Faith, son.

Student : That is it sir . . . Exactly !

The Link between Man & GOD is FAITH.

That is all that Keeps Things Alive and Moving.

NB:

I believe you have enjoyed the Conversation . . . and if so .. .

You'll probably want your Friends / Colleagues to enjoy the same . . . won't you?

Forward them to Increase their Knowledge . . . or FAITH.

That student was Albert Einstein.

This shit been around since Blackplanet. It gets changed up and updated everytime. This thing is like the Willie Lynch fiasco.

 

[[Trillmatic]]

both sides of the arguement were dumb as fuck

if the absence of light is dark. then yes a shadow is dark... wtf is this young bull talking about

and yes darkness can be measured. the less light there is, the more dark their is LOL contrast is the very thing that measures existence

i think the student was tryna say that no matter how dark/cold it is, you still measure it by how hot/light it is...or isnt

oh i know what he was trying to say LOL, but thats just it .. he was trying LOL. there is light and dark. not light and no light. the only way you could say there is no such thing as dark is to say that there is no state of existence where light does not exist. which we all know is false LOL

and thats just it. if you believe in god and believe that he created everything then you have to "believe" in opposites too

plus the lil dude was dumb because the professor argued that the devil was equal to god which he could have said no anyway smh

light is created by energy, the absence of light is the absence of that energy which is darkness. Darkness itself is not created by energy, therefore it is not the opposite of light, just the absence of it. get it now?

 

[CallMeWelvin]

@Trill there's no explaining anything to the idiot Uptown

 

[Gucci Scott King]

this argument will go on til the end of time..if theists are wrong it will be no big deal..but if atheists are wrong its a wrap for that ass

But what if you believe in the wrong god?

 

[lordhonka2]

you this "conversation" got all the athiest knees weak. talking bout its a bad arguement when its there arguement

 

[bootsy_jenkins]

Silly bullshit FB story. Stupid people pass it on to even more stupid people and the cycle of ignorance continues. SMH

 

[bdbdbd]

Silly bullshit FB story. Stupid people pass it on to even more stupid people and the cycle of ignorance continues. SMH

you see people that have opinions, as ignorant?

you see fables as ignorant?

granted its a made up story, but its main purpose is to make people think, atleast open people up to another way of thinking.

people that just stand up and say its ignorant/stupid are the real ignorant ones

 

[janklow]

that seems like one of those made-up stories. I highly doubt that was Einstein. Somebody Snopes it.

Snopes says:

CLAIM: While a student, Albert Einstein humiliated an atheist professor by using the "Evil is the absence of God" argument on him.

FALSE

 

[SnowBunnySmanger]

Bad arguments on both sides

good looks on that link janklow

 

[lighthearted26]

Most atheists I know have other reasons for being one other than the usual "why is there evil and devastation in the world" there's so many arguments you can make against that weak ass argument the professor had.

 

[whar]

Most atheists I know have other reasons for being one other than the usual "why is there evil and devastation in the world" there's so many arguments you can make against that weak ass argument the professor had.

I would be interested in hearing them. The central problem of evil directly lead to my conversion to atheism. The problem as it appears to me is straight-forward. God is defined as a being all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving.This leads to the paradox that this God exists and 500,000 children, mostly in Africa, die each year due to malaria. This God can trivially help these children, loves them as his own children, but lets them die.

To resolve this paradox I can assume God acts mysteriously, however God is all-powerful. If he has a hidden agenda he can achieve that agenda without killing children. To say otherwise means God is not all-powerful.

Perhaps I can argue that God has dominion over us and anything he does is right. This reduces God to a psychopath that kills children by the boatload then demands we worship him. I must drop the all-loving trait assigned to God and accept that this entity is inherently evil.

If I eliminate God from the equation everything I sees starts to make sense. Malaria kills people according to the rules of nature no supernatural being is needed. It strikes people in Africa and equatorial areas because the species that causes malaria thrives there. With god I am left with contradictions while without God the worst I have are unanswered questions.

 

[janklow]

good looks on that link janklow

Snopes does what they can

 

[lighthearted26]

@whar well one argument is that god creates a world where shit just happens based on the nature of the world itself. Lets say you slip on some ice and break your leg. God didn't set out to make sure you broke your leg on April 23, 2012 at 4:00pm. He just created a world where people exist, ice exist, and if a person happens to walk on it they might slip.

 

[whar]

@whar well one argument is that god creates a world where shit just happens based on the nature of the world itself. Lets say you slip on some ice and break your leg. God didn't set out to make sure you broke your leg on April 23, 2012 at 4:00pm. He just created a world where people exist, ice exist, and if a person happens to walk on it they might slip.

God is the creator of that world's nature. If by the nature of that world millions of children die each year from disease and famine they fall by God's hand.

If a God has the traits all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving a paradox arises. Since God is all-powerful and all-knowing any world this god creates is exactly the way he wants it. Since God has the power to create any possible universe then he could have trivially created one where I did not slip and fall on ice on April 23, 2012 at 4:00pm.

It is not lost on me either that you moved from the wholesale slaughter of innocent children to something rather trivial like a broken leg. Your argument makes a certain sense for the small events that touch our lives like a broken leg but when we examine the world in total it simply fails. 10,000 dead in an earthquake, 200,000 dead in a tidal wave, 5,000,000 dead dues to a disease. When you look at slaughter on this scale it becomes quite clear that there can not be a personal god that loves but murders us on such scales.