9/11 conspiracy or not?

[musicology1985]

Wow. Did you look at the videos? The conspiracies are done for. Debunked because of doctored photos, video and audio. How sad is it when they gotta do this? That's fucked up. Explain them to me then? You can't, but I'll wait since you're an expert.

Bullshit and fuck yo videos nigga. 911 was foreal but the preparation and response was orchestrated.

 

[kingblaze84]

Bullshit and fuck yo videos nigga. 911 was foreal but the preparation and response was orchestrated.

I believe this too.....Condi Rice, why haven't you explained yet why and how you called Willy Brown to warn him to not fly the night before Sept 11th????

Yet the bitch said to Americans she never saw the attack coming.....

They wanted it to happen.....maybe not the whole thing, but most of it.

 

[kingblaze84]

Oh and another thing......why did Dick Cheney and Bush make it a RULE that only them two and Donald Rumsfeld can shoot down planes if a national emergency occurred???

This rule was made a full 2 months before 9/11.......hmmmmm. We all wonder why air defense was so weak that day, don't we?

And I'm supposed to believe that Bush and Co were "surprised" at the attacks?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!

Them niggas smiled with JOY after the attacks. They knew then that they would get a free ride from the American public to steal as many resources from the Middle East as possible. Good job fellas.....mission accomplished.

 

[quiet1]

or it was the plane that all those eyewitnesses saw.

LoL another one eats bullshit

There is a lot of dumbfuckery in this topic. Niggas jump to debunk the building & missle shit but ingnore everything else. You know with all the evidence we have that 9/11 was at bare minimum allowed to happen.

Too many coincedinces with 9/11 & the anthrax show that this was a program & not some niggas gettin lucky.

 

[elhuey]

@elhuey

what deed?

The deed that the Spaniards received after the Moorish Capitulation/Treaty in Spain. These gains were later spread to the Portuguese, French and British; basically the Christians. Moors had land all over the Americas & there were all kinds of Natives of various phenotype and autonomy. However, the first Americans were black.

America was named after the Moorish Empire and it's global Amer/Amir expansion. The real name for Morocco is Amerruk.

and why does every culture/ religion think they discovered the americas 1st?

Because people of African and Asian descent were already over here.

indigenous people have been in the americas for over 10000 years. way before there was a morocco, spain, christanity, or islam. and im doubting the historical accuracy of muslims/ africans being in america 1st. just as i dont buy into the people who claim that the ancient egytpians were white and all of their accomplishments should be handed to white people. and my race is irrelevant.

 

[musicology1985]

@elhuey

indigenous people have been in the americas for over 10000 years.


THE NEW YORK TIMES

An Ancient Skull Challenges Long-Held Theories
By LARRY ROHTER
Published: October 26, 1999

RIO DE JANEIRO— A human skull that is prominently displayed at the National Museum here has been attracting crowds and controversy in equal measure since it was first unveiled early this month. After two decades in storage, the fossilized cranium has now been identified by Brazilian scientists as the oldest human remains ever recovered in the Western Hemisphere.

The skull is that of a young woman, nicknamed Luzia, who is believed to have roamed the savannah of south-central Brazil some 11,500 years ago. Even more startling, a reconstruction of her cranium undertaken in Britain this year indicates that her features appear to be Negroid rather than Mongoloid, suggesting that the Western Hemisphere may have initially been settled not only earlier than thought, but by a people distinct from the ancestors of today's North and South American Indians.

''We can no longer say that the first colonizers of the Americas came from the north of Asia, as previous models have proposed,'' said Dr. Walter Neves, an anthropologist at the University of Sao Paulo, who made the initial discovery along with an Argentine colleague, Hector Pucciarelli. ''This skeleton is nearly 2,000 years older than any skeleton ever found in the Americas, and it does not look like those of Amerindians or North Asians.''

If the date is confirmed, the find could transform thinking about the peopling of the Americas. It may be some time before that work is completed, but meanwhile, archeologists here and abroad say the find is potentially very important.

Until Luzia, named as a playful homage to Lucy, the 3.2-million-year-old human ancestor found in Africa, the oldest known human remains recovered in the Western Hemisphere were those of a woman found in Buhl, Idaho, and repatriated to the Shoshone tribe in 1991. Radiocarbon dating tests have established the age of that skeleton as a bit more than 10,000 years old.

Luzia's discovery at a location in the state of Minas Gerais called Lapa Vermelha is consistent, however, with recent findings made at the celebrated Monte Verde site in southern Chile. There, evidence of human habitation as early as 12,500 years ago, including stone tools and a footprint, has been uncovered, though no human remains have yet been found.

The finds, along with recent discoveries in North America like those of the so-called Kennewick Man and Spirit Cave Man, are forcing a reassessment of long-established theories as to the settling of the Americas. Based on such evidence, Dr. Neves suggests that Luzia belonged to a nomadic people who began arriving in the New World as early as 15,000 years ago.

Luzia's Negroid features notwithstanding, Dr. Neves is not arguing that her ancestors came to Brazil from Africa in an early trans-Atlantic migration. Instead, he believes they originated in Southeast Asia, ''migrating from there in two directions, south to Australia, where today's aboriginal peoples may be their descendants, and navigating northward along the coast and across the Bering Straits until they reached the Americas.''

About one-third of Luzia's skeleton has been recovered, enough to indicate that she appears to have perished in an accident or perhaps even from an animal attack. She was in her 20's when she died, stood just under five feet tall, and was part of a group of hunter-gatherers who appear to have subsisted largely on whatever fruits, nuts and berries they came across in their meanderings, plus the occasional piece of meat.

''This is intriguing and interesting and I want to know more,'' Dr. David J. Meltzer, a professor of anthropology at Southern Methodist University and an expert on the paleo-Indian populations of North America, said in a telephone interview from Dallas. ''Skeletal material of this age is extraordinarily rare, both here and in South America, so I am delighted to know that something of this antiquity is popping up.''

The region where Dr. Neves and his associates are working has been the focus of archeological inquiry since the mid-19th century, when Peter Wilhelm Lund, a Danish naturalist, first encountered human skeletal remains there. Many of the specimens he uncovered are now stored at the University of Copenhagen, but when Dr. Neves went to examine them, he found that the material had not been catalogued by geological strata and therefore could not be used for his research.

Luzia herself was originally discovered in 1975 in a rock shelter by a joint French-Brazilian expedition that was working not far from Belo Horizonte, Brazil's third-largest city. The skull was buried under more than 40 feet of mineral deposits and debris, separated from the rest of the skeleton but otherwise in remarkably good condition.

''This is a site where the soil was high in limestone content, which helped to preserve these remains for so long,'' explained Dr. Andre Prous, a French archeologist at the Federal University of Minas Gerais, who was part of the initial team and continues to work in the area. ''In other places, the bones disappear after a short time.''

Along with other material from the same expedition, Luzia was then taken to the national museum here. But she was put away in storage, and it was not until 1995 that Dr. Neves examined the skull, quickly noticed its unusual characteristics and invited other scientists, including Dr. Joseph Powell, an anthropology professor at the University of New Mexico, to join him in drawing up a profile of Luzia.

Dr. Neves bases his estimate of Luzia's age on the fact that the skull was found in a geological strata where the age of other organic material has been established through radiocarbon dating. The same procedure would ordinarily have been done with Luzia, but the specimen does not have enough collagen, the protein that gives bone its resiliency, to allow that standard technique to be used.

''We're sort of stuck,'' said Dr. Powell, who is also curator of human osteology at the Maxwell Museum. ''We know that she is so old that most of the organic portion of the bone has leached out. It would have been great to have the radiocarbon dating, but that is not going to happen unless techniques improve dramatically, which they may.''

With that avenue of verification closed, Dr. Neves is making other efforts to determine the racial and other characteristics of Luzia. Early this year, a computerized image of Luzia's skull was sent to Richard Neave, a forensic specialist on the faculty of medicine at the University of Manchester in England, with a request that he reconstruct her face.

''It was in much better shape than many other forensic subjects we have had to do,'' Mr. Neave said in a telephone interview. What he ended up with when he finished was a face ''with the features one associates with Negroid skulls, particularly the nose'' and jaw.

''When you do this sort of work, it is very important to have no preconceived ideas,'' Mr. Neave said. ''I personally would stick my neck out and say it is conclusive support for his findings and demonstrates without any doubt at all'' that Luzia is of non-Mongoloid origins.

When her remains were discovered, Luzia was alone. But more than 40 other skeletons that appear to be from the same general period have been found in a nearby area called Lagoa Santa, and scientists in Brazil hope to be able to test Dr. Neves's theory by doing radiocarbon dating on at least some of them.

''There are a large number of skeletons at this site, some of them in better condition than that of Luzia,'' Dr. Prous said. ''There is a great density of skeletons there, buried in an organized fashion, and so we conclude this was a cemetery for them, perhaps the oldest in the Americas.''

 

[musicology1985]

Initial indications are that these skeletons indeed have many of the same facial features and other characteristics that first made Luzia stand out. ''We see this pattern with other skeletons of the same age'' from the Lagoa Santa site, Dr. Powell said. ''We have seen 37 of them now, and they all have this sort of unusual appearance.''

In an effort to test the theory that Luzia belonged to a people ethnically distinct from the ancestors of modern North and South American Indians, scientists have also begun DNA sequencing in the Lagoa Santa skeletons. Dr. Sergio Pena, a geneticist at the Federal University of Minas Gerais, is conducting one set of tests while other samples have been sent to the Max Planck Anthropological Institute in Germany, where the DNA of Neanderthal Man was isolated in 1997, for examination.

''We know that today's Amerindians have four main groups,'' said Dr. Pena, who found a genetic marker common to 17 different widely dispersed Indian groups across the Americans in the course of an earlier project. ''What would constitute molecular proof of Walter's hypothesis is to find DNA sequences completely different from those four groups.''

Dr. Meltzer said: ''This is clearly the way to resolve the issue. The skull is intriguing morphological evidence, but in order to really nail down this issue of affinity, you need evidence, and DNA is the way to go.''

Photos: Dr. Walter Neves, who examined Luzia's skull, left, in 1995 and realized its importance. (Nilton Claudino/Ag.JB)(pg. F1); A reconstruction of the Luzia skull shows that her features appear to be Negroid rather than Mongoloid. (Nilton Claudino/Ag.JB)(pg. F5) Map of Brazil highlighting Lapa Vermelha. (pg. F5)

End of article

indigenous people have been in the americas for over 10000 years.

I never denied this, but blacks were here first.

way before there was a morocco, spain, christanity, or islam. and im doubting the historical accuracy of muslims/ africans being in america 1st.

I posted those Moorish examples to show the continual presence of black people before Columbus and the events which led him to advanced navigation.

just as i dont buy into the people who claim that the ancient egytpians were white and all of their accomplishments should be handed to white people.

Good.

and my race is irrelevant.

I just wanted to know your ethnic background so that I could get an idea of who I'm dealing with. Since you don't want to say it than cool.

P.S.

Look up that Luiza Skull, AND AMER-indians were named after the Moorish Empire as well. Like I said, there were numerous complexions of Natives with various phenotypes and levels of autonomy.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

It's not like its a big surprise Musicology. When the Earth was Pangaea everyone was dark skinned. So it's not like it's a big deal that the first people in the Americas were dark skinned.

 

[musicology1985]

It's not like its a big surprise Musicology. When the Earth was Pangaea everyone was dark skinned. So it's not like it's a big deal that the first people in the Americas were dark skinned.

It is a big deal because people always try to deny black people our Native AMERICAN status when we are tried and true Americans in every conceivable way. This is our land first that we have always shared with those who came after us. That's all I'm saying.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

It is a big deal because people always try to deny black people our Native AMERICAN status when we are tried and true Americans in every conceivable way. This is our land first that we have always shared with those who came after us. That's all I'm saying.

It is not our land. We migrated out of Africa to Europe, Americas, Asia etc... The ones who went and inhabited them lands claim them.

There is no me and you or us and them. We all came from the same thing and same place in the beginnning. The first niggas in the Americas are native Americans not Africans. Plain n Simple.

They inhabited a country and claimed it so that is what they were from then on out.

Using your theory we wouldn't be africans, Moors, w.e

We would be fuckin aliens, Godliens, or Big Bangiens.

 

[musicology1985]

It is not our land. We migrated out of Africa to Europe, Americas, Asia etc... The ones who went and inhabited them lands claim them.

There is no me and you or us and them. We all came from the same thing and same place in the beginnning. The first niggas in the Americas are native Americans not Africans. Plain n Simple.

They inhabited a country and claimed it so that is what they were from then on out.

bullshit. black people are native Americans. and Amerruk is in Africa so the connections are plain as day. We were here before anybody else and the U.S. government is known for discriminating and using the process of ethnic cleansing against the more negroid native Americans.

We came with the first migrations and this process never stopped. We should not be denied our claims on the land. T

 

[shootemwon]

Ok hold up. Before we continue with another generic Freemason/Illuminati thread, I want to ask something.

Can anyone give me PROOF of that these groups are out there controlling the world and pulling the strings?

When I say proof, I don't mean "Well X happened, then Y happened while at the same time Z happened, which would be a pretty big coincidence, therefore the secret world order is real"

I mean actual proof. Like you can prove water boils at 212 degrees Fahrenheit by heating it to 212 degrees and watching it boil.

If you don't have proof but still believe what you believe, that's fine. There are some things I believe that I can't prove. I just want to know if anyone can prove this stuff.

So this post still goes unanswered? Fine. But it's pretty pathetic that no one among the conspiracy theorist rank can answer this softball of a post. As along as this thread stays on the front page I'll just quote this post again til someone can come up with an answer.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

bullshit. black people are native Americans. and Amerruk is in Africa so the connections are plain as day. We were here before anybody else and the U.S. government is known for discriminating and using the process of ethnic cleansing against the more negroid native Americans.

We came with the first migrations and this process never stopped. We should not be denied our claims on the land. T

White people, Native Americans, Asians, Jews, Hispanics.

They were all dark skinned at some point in time. Again, they are not black, they claim nativity to the lands they inhabit and make home.

If you consider someones origin the place they should claim like I said we should be Aliens, Godliens, or BigBangiens.

 

[musicology1985]

@ThaChozenWun

They were all dark skinned at some point in time.

At least half of all of those groups besides the white group (because of experiments) still are.

Again, they are not black, they claim nativity to the lands they inhabit and make home.

Asia and Oceania still have blacks who are indigenous that go through the same stuff as us.

If you consider someones origin the place they should claim like I said we should be Aliens, Godliens, or BigBangiens

The black man and women is the true Native American. We live here and have always lived here so our claims are greater than everyone elses.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

@ThaChozenWun

They were all dark skinned at some point in time.

At least half of all of those groups besides the white group (because of experiments) still are.

Again, they are not black, they claim nativity to the lands they inhabit and make home.

Asia and Oceania still have blacks who are indigenous that go through the same stuff as us.

If you consider someones origin the place they should claim like I said we should be Aliens, Godliens, or BigBangiens

The black man and women is the true Native American. We live here and have always lived here so our claims are greater than everyone elses.

Oh you believe in black roots science.. aight then... enough said.

 

[musicology1985]

@ThaChozenWun

Oh you believe in black roots science.. aight then... enough said.

What you mean? I posted a New York Times article to validate my claim. You called me a N1gger & huey challenged my Americanisms so I showed proof of Negroids. Like I said, I operate in all of the NGR forms and none of them are ignorant.

I first heard about Black Roots Science from Shad33, Anthony7q, Ktulu and YOU! LOL

 

[ThaChozenWun]

@ThaChozenWun

Oh you believe in black roots science.. aight then... enough said.

What you mean? I posted a New York Times article to validate my claim. You called me a N1gger & huey challenged my Americanisms so I showed proof of Negroids. Like I said, I operate in all of the NGR forms and none of them are ignorant.

I first heard about Black Roots Science from Anthony7q, Ktulu and YOU! LOL

You said experiments, you think whites were made from experiments. That's black roots. But I'll just leave it be because it's an endless route.

I think the color change in folks is a result of locations and pigmentation change through evolution.

You think it was experimentation.

Either way neither of us have seen it n both follow a theory so it's useless to argue about it.

 

[musicology1985]

You said experiments, you think whites were made from experiments. That's black roots. But I'll just leave it be because it's an endless route.

I think the color change in folks is a result of locations and pigmentation change through evolution.

You think it was experimentation.

Either way neither of us have seen it n both follow a theory so it's useless to argue about it.

I already had a debate with Young Ice about this months ago. Even scientists agree that interbreeding took place in Europe between pale people and Neanderthals to produce a unique stock. You should rehash that thread because I'm not gonna debate about it again, shoulda' jumped in then.

And there were Mors, Mohrs & Maurs etc. all throughout the European Peninsula as well who acted as rulers up until the 15th and 16th centuries and sprinkled throughout after.

Even the Anagram for Roman IS MORAN

 

[memphis]

I already had a debate with Young Ice about this months ago. Even scientists agree that interbreeding took place in Europe between pale people and Neanderthals to produce a unique stock. You should rehash that thread because I'm not gonna debate about it again, shoulda' jumped in then.

And there were Mors, Mohrs & Maurs etc. all throughout the European Peninsula as well who acted as rulers up until the 15th and 16th centuries and sprinkled throughout after.

Even the Anagram for Roman IS MORAN

Do you believe this?

 

[elhuey]

@musicology1985

interesting article. i am not sure how far someones' ancestry has to go back for you to no longer consider them african. i read another article about that same finding, and they said that luzia's ancestors lived in asia for over 10000 years after leaving africa. shit, the homo sapien species originated in africa. do you consider everyone african?