9/11 conspiracy or not?

[VIBE]

Props on the link Pain, never seen the video before, most of the stuff I checked always said every video was taken and nothing leaked.

And I agree with the Knowledge. There is already evidence we received the threat prior to 9/11 so it's likely we also knew more.

Careful with the video though as well. The video they say is only a "white streak" which is true, BUT! They claim the white streak is a "missile". The 757 was traveling at like 400-500 mph or something like that and that video takes images at a frame rate of 1 per second. All you will get is a streak, white, due to light shining off the plane. Now, that's the official explanation and one I accept. Plane parts were found on the yard and inside the building. Conspiracy Theorists say that after the missile hit, a group of men ran all over the yard placing pieces of a 757 all over.

The more you read into the theories, you see it gets more silly.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Careful with the video though as well. The video they say is only a "white streak" which is true, BUT! They claim the white streak is a "missile". The 757 was traveling at like 400-500 mph or something like that and that video takes images at a frame rate of 1 per second. All you will get is a streak, white, due to light shining off the plane. Now, that's the official explanation and one I accept. Plane parts were found on the yard and inside the building. Conspiracy Theorists say that after the missile hit, a group of men ran all over the yard placing pieces of a 757 all over.

The more you read into the theories, you see it gets more silly.

Well IMO a missile would have a tail of fire or smoke behind it even moving at 400 mph. So IMO that is a plane in the video and not a missile.

 

[VIBE]

The funny part is you calling me a fool. For someone with open access to the internet, and a brain, you can't put two and two together? Or are you pulling our leg to strike conversation? lol

Well are you using the internet? What conspiracies are you reading? What I'm saying is you're a fool for posting what you did, most of that was invalid. Trade Center 7 did INDEED BURN WITH FIRES.

Here it is damaged -

Here it is on fire -

There's video of it on fire and more pictures.

In air traffic control, there is no way a monitor can be "switched off" and not noticed. Air ports work just like the post office. You know where everything goes before it gets there, and hardly anything goes unnoticed. Airplanes come equiped with mic's in the cabin and deck, connected to the black box. How this goes unnoticed for the time it takes a plane to take off, change direction, and fly over new york is implossible.

It WAS SWITCHED off you incompetent fool. It was switched off then NOTICED TO BE SWITCHED OFF. They radioed the plane, no answer. It wasn't hijacked at the airport either. It was hijacked when already in motion, in the air, on to it's destination. They took over the cabin and talked over the speak to the passengers, only thing? They were radioing not on speaker on the plane. This is what struck them as confusing, then when they radioed back to the plane, no response. Then transponders were shut off. They couldn't find them easily anymore.

The pentagon is the most militant oupost in America. How a plane can come within miles of the building is a reach. Did you see that tiny hole that it left?

Yes I seen that tiny hole. Do you also know that the Pentagon was undergoing brand new construction? Re-enforcing the whole building. That side the plane hit on? Re-enforced already. But that still adds to the stupid conspiracy, why re-enforced it, oh they knew it was gonna hit on that side and that spot directly! Come on get real. Everything is twisted.

Here's a real plane, with people under it. See how big it is?

Show me a 757, not a 747. That 747 is a wide body plane. This 747 is way bigger than a 707 (which was considered when the WTC were being built) Also not to mention that plane you're showing, is a double decker plane as well. That's way bigger than the 757 that hit the Pentagon. Nice try though, tried to fool everyone.

Tell me how can two other 747 create so much force and heat to bring down three buildings, yet the Pentagon suffers only minor cuts and scratches?

Again, inconsistent information and research. 2 767's hit the WTC and 1 757 hit the Pentagon. If a 747 hit them Towers, all hell would've been worse.

I guess you've looked at the inconsistancies instead of the coincidences. You'd see this was all a plan.

I guess if you shut up now and research for a few days you'll see your own mistakes.

 

[quiet1]

Niggas still believe in that "they turned off the transponder" shit? So basically you're saying the only reason there will never be 9/11 part II is that the passengers aint havin it?

Why the hell should we have all this security then? just give passengers a bonus for stopping a terrorist.

From the passport to them leaving a list of every one involved in the plot to the fact no planes intercepted them & many other things can only mean this is a inside job or bin laden is a lucky dude & picked the perfect day to do it.

It doesn't matter if the WTC was bombed there's enough other shit that's 100x more believable to cast hella doubt on the official story.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Now, what I do believe the real conspiracy is, is the reaction time of the attack and prior knowledge of an incoming attack.

You're not concerned with plots or conspiracies against the government are you!?!?

 

[shootemwon]

When people talk about the scandal as being a matter of the government simply knowing about what was coming and doing nothing, there are clearly facts to back this up, but it's more a matter of perception. There just wasn't a real focus on terrorism from our government before 9/11/2001. People underestimate the power of incompetence and ineptness, but institutional dysfunction runs throughout the government, and the incompetent find themselves in positions of great power all the time.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

When people talk about the scandal as being a matter of the government simply knowing about what was coming and doing nothing, there are clearly facts to back this up, but it's more a matter of perception. There just wasn't a real focus on terrorism from our government before 9/11/2001. People underestimate the power of incompetence and ineptness, but institutional dysfunction runs throughout the government, and the incompetent find themselves in positions of great power all the time.

When he was informed that there was a terror attack going on at the school why was he not led out though? That is my major question. We've seen countless times on TV where something smaller has happened and the president was instantly relocated to his batcave. I just find it odd he's informed that the nation is under attack and isn't led away at that time. What made that time okay to stay put but in the other times they go?

 

[shootemwon]

When he was informed that there was a terror attack going on at the school why was he not led out though? That is my major question. We've seen countless times on TV where something smaller has happened and the president was instantly relocated to his batcave. I just find it odd he's informed that the nation is under attack and isn't led away at that time. What made that time okay to stay put but in the other times they go?

And what difference would it make? Bush could have left the second he was informed and given everybody one less thing to talk about and it wouldn't have changed the days events at all. If this had been preconceived at all, they wouldn't have done something stupid like let him sit there. Dude was sitting in the classroom clueless about what to do, more reason to believe this wasn't anything that they had thought about in advance.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

And what difference would it make? If this had been preconceived at all, they wouldn't have done something stupid like let him sit there. Dude was sitting in the classroom clueless about what to do, more reason to believe this wasn't anything that they had thought about in advance.

Well I'm not talking about what Bush would do because whether planned or not he would have been confused as to what was happening.

And it makes a huge difference. If they move presidents to safer locations for every other terrorist attack in America and lesser things why would they not have moved him in what could have been potentially the biggest attack to hit America since the Natives were the only ones here?

 

[shootemwon]

Well I'm not talking about what Bush would do because whether planned or not he would have been confused as to what was happening.

And it makes a huge difference. If they move presidents to safer locations for every other terrorist attack in America and lesser things why would they not have moved him in what could have been potentially the biggest attack to hit America since the Natives were the only ones here?

I'm not believing that malicious powers within the US government saw this coming, decided to let it happen, but decided that since they already knew what would happen, they'd just intentionally have the President not do anything when the shit hit the fan. The whole thing about Bush just convinces me more that they didn't see it coming.

 

[major pain]

You're not concerned with plots or conspiracies against the government are you!?!?

Huh?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

Huh?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Lol nothin'.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

I'm not believing that malicious powers within the US government saw this coming, decided to let it happen, but decided that since they already knew what would happen, they'd just intentionally have the President not do anything when the shit hit the fan. The whole thing about Bush just convinces me more that they didn't see it coming.

But that doesn't answer why other presidents are rushed away in times like that and they didn't do that with Bush.

The only explanations to me is

1.) They really didn't give a fuck about him. The secret service got word like "Aye, we under attack, but keep that nigga out in the open and don't shoot back."
2.) The entire administration at that time, from the president to the agents, we're so dumb it didn't cross their mind.
3.) They knew the intended targets and knew Bush was safe where he was.

That's why I'm asking, if someone can answer me as to why Bush did not get to leave like other presidents have in times of attack, war, or threats please do cause I have no idea as to why.

 

[shootemwon]

But that doesn't answer why other presidents are rushed away in times like that and they didn't do that with Bush.

The only explanations to me is

1.) They really didn't give a fuck about him. The secret service got word like "Aye, we under attack, but keep that nigga out in the open and don't shoot back."
2.) The entire administration at that time, from the president to the agents, we're so dumb it didn't cross their mind.
3.) They knew the intended targets and knew Bush was safe where he was.

That's why I'm asking, if someone can answer me as to why Bush did not get to leave like other presidents have in times of attack, war, or threats please do cause I have no idea as to why.

Number 2 is probably the closest to the truth. Number 1 is just silly and Number 3 suggests they intentionally wanted to raise suspicion.

But my thought is that Bush and his people thought they could maintain an appearance of control and confidence if he didn't rush out of the room when he heard the news. Of course once the gravity of the situation became apparent, there was complete over-reaction from the public and all sectors of the government, but that doesn't speak to their immediate reaction at the time.

 

[janklow]

Why do people really think that little hole that hit the pentagon was an effect of a 757 plane?

the Pentagon is ridiculously large. why do people keep calling it a "little hole?"

 

[major pain]

the Pentagon is ridiculously large. why do people keep calling it a "little hole?"

Duh, from an aerial view, it looks like the size of standard donut.

 

[quiet1]

Y'all trippin they had to have remote controls & bush knew what was goin down.

& it was a missle that hit the pentagon.

 

[major pain]

Is that how you look at things? as opposed to the reality of what he actually said & the point in this issue.

Did you miss the sarcasm?

 

[musicology1985]

That shit was a Conspiracy

Securacom-Led by George W. Bush's brother Marvin Bush and responsible for security in regards to the WTC.

NORAD-Led by Dick Cheney on that day and responsible for U.S./Canada Ariel defense. Major player in the HALLIBURTON company who benefited from the attacks.

Al-Qaeda-Islamic Terrorists organization used to take the blame & led by a member of the Bin-Laden family

Bush-Bin Laden Alliance-A division of the Anglo-Arab Establishment who benefited from the attacks. This Arab family was possibly even here during the attacks.

Mossad-Possibly the actual party that carried out the attacks. An Ashkenazim Jew (Larry A. Silverstein) beat out higher bidders which is a blatant sign of the "hook up," and he preceded to take out insurance in preparation for it's destruction.

And remember, George H. W. Bush has been a CIA agent since the 60's. These cats collaborated to get this thing crackin.'

I'm not saying that the attacks weren't real, but it was planned. Tons of evidence points to this.

 

[musicology1985]

I don't need all of this "doubt" and "more proof" etc. etc. These guys have already showed us how they get down numerous times. So this turns into a political situation for the common people; aka those for the conspiracy, against the conspiracy or those on the fence because they don't want to be labeled "conspiracy theorists," because they're not cool or logical anymore once they do that LMAO