9/11 conspiracy or not?

[quiet1]

Just because the buildings weren't blown up doesn't mean 9/11 went down how they say it did. Them dudes had help.
& who ever did 9/11 did the anthrax attacks too since they sent the letters from the same area the hijackers were staying. & someone sent hoax letters before the real ones were public knowledge.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Just because the buildings weren't blown up doesn't mean 9/11 went down how they say it did. Them dudes had help.
& who ever did 9/11 did the anthrax attacks too since they sent the letters from the same area the hijackers were staying. & someone sent hoax letters before the real ones were public knowledge.

You do know the Hijackers were scattered in multiple locations right?

Which Hijacker lived in the same area btw?

 

[Arya Tsaddiq]

This man and a few of his associates seem to think it was a conspiracy....

[video=youtube;oO2yT0uBQbM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO2yT0uBQbM[/video]

 

[elhuey]

He's basically saying the 9/11 theories are created by the government to distract us from things they are doing in other countries that are wrong.

precisely. i dont actually believe that is the case. i think the terrorist simply just caught us slippin. but if people have to believe the gov't is so nefarious and conspiratorial, then it is not too far off to believe the gov't puts out these conspiracy theories on purpose. think about it, the gov't rather people believe that ufo in the sky are aliens, then have people know that it is actually some super secret airplane they are working on. as long as people think the gov't is covering up aliens, no one will question them about their new stealth jet, or drone or whatever. the youtube videos, the bullshit website about 9/11 inside job, alex jones, what if all that shit is to distract people from the shit that is happening in plain site? so while so many people are focusing on the gov't/ illumanati/ masons or whatever, obama just escalated a war in afghanistan thats pointless, 50000 troops and a bunch of contractors are still stationed in iraq, we got troops in colombia, the patriot act, lobbyist, PACs, high jobless rate, highschool drop out rate, so on and so on...... the world is already complicated, there is no need for conspiracies.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

It doesn't matter if it was a conspiracy or not, it's written into history they way they want it written.

 

[VIBE]

Last words, I really have another topic to get at. I've been too busy at home to be on the net lately.

1. What is a conspiracy theory, is it easy or complicated?

Answer is it's easy. Every other theory in history has been very easy. A and B and we're good. 9/11 is too complicated and too messy to be made an inside job. You have 3 buildings in NY, the Pentagon and Shanksville (Flight 93)

Now, you gotta conspire everything. Conspire bombs, which would take 2 or more years to perfect. People would be in the hundreds to be involved. I mean to pull this off you gotta be in GREAT numbers. According to the theorist's too many people were involved, I mean people who were filiming and taking pictures, to the hijackers who never really hijacked the planes, they were put on to be "executed". From the phone calls from the passengers/towers being faked to families. From the planes being remote controlled. From towers being imploded. Trade 7 being imploded. A "substitute" plane for 77 which hit the Pentagon. Flight 93 being, "shot down" then covered up by fake phone calls to make it seem heroic.

I mean the more you get into it the more complicated it gets. It's too big and too heavy and the government would've slipped up some where. There's always a whistle blower.

It's too much for this to be a conspiracy to this extent.

 

[rusty shackleford]

SOME of you people should actually research our countries willingness [instead of sittin' around goin'.. "hurm.. dat makes no sence.."] to murder it's own innocent civilians while blaming another country/group as a pretext for conflict... IF NOT FOR ANYTHING MORE THAN an effort to not to sound so naive..

The Northwoods Documents: (the unclassified plans to murder innocent people in a bid to make cuba look like.... Bin Laden. lmgao @ condalisa rice we had never even considered aircraft being used as a weapon.. lies. )

 

[rusty shackleford]

the rest is at your finger tips.. i'm not babysittin'..

http://www.retakingamerica.com/northwoods_page_1.html

 

[BlackxChild]

Ppl need to ask themselves why planes have crashed into apartment buildings and any other building yet they never fall down like theyve been demolished... Ppl also need to ask themselves y is smoke rising from the bottom of the twin towers?

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Ppl need to ask themselves why planes have crashed into apartment buildings and any other building yet they never fall down like theyve been demolished... Ppl also need to ask themselves y is smoke rising from the bottom of the twin towers?

There was no smoke coming from the bottom of the towers until after the first fell.

 

[tri3w]

Ppl need to ask themselves why planes have crashed into apartment buildings and any other building yet they never fall down like theyve been demolished... Ppl also need to ask themselves y is smoke rising from the bottom of the twin towers?

read the debunking evidence...................that will answer ur own question

 

[tri3w]

There was no smoke coming from the bottom of the towers until after the first fell.

that too, thx Chozen lol

 

[allied]

What do you believe about 9/11?

Do you believe the government had foreknowledge of the attacks? Yes

Do you believe everything (numbers etc) are all symbolic and on purpose? Yes

Do you believe there were 19 hi-jackers? No

Do you believe the planes were real? (ghost planes, fake planes etc yes, seriously some believe this) No

Do you think the planes had no passengers and were remote controlled? (passengers "worked for the government") No, to me this is the most rediculous rumor

Do you believe the planes had missiles attached to the bottom of the planes? No, jet fuel can explode a plane like that

Do you believe there were explosives in the Trade Centers? No, but I have seen the footage of the burst of light coming from the tower right before it collasped

Do you believe Hani Honjour flew flight 77 into the Pentagon? Not sure

Do you believe Trade Center 7 was planned to be demolished? No

Answer these, what do you believe and WHY?

What do you believe about Flight 93?

As for Filght 93 I think their were heroes on that plane that overtook the plane and give their lives. The hi-jackers were only armed with knives anyway.

 

[VIBE]

Ppl need to ask themselves why planes have crashed into apartment buildings and any other building yet they never fall down like theyve been demolished... Ppl also need to ask themselves y is smoke rising from the bottom of the twin towers?

lol

Dude, these planes were small planes. No where near the size of the one's on 9/11. No where near the speeds of 400-500 mph impacting buildings. No where as near as much fuel.

I've seen certain planes that hit buildings, video and what not. The impact zone didn't take up like 20 floors.

Just compare the 2, really. Also, if you even try to simply investigate both sides, BOTH SIDES, which means be open minded then you'll see the truth. Like I said, I was a heavy conspiracy theorist on this subject. I WASN'T open minded to hear the official story. After I decided to do so, I seen how ridiculous the theories are and seriously sickening. Nothing makes sense on the theory side, they have 2-3 "possible" theories for each thing. It's so twisted, confusing and so out there it's not possible. This is too messy first off and like I stated in my last post, all of this is too much to pull off.

Listen to Loose Change, now really? Then they go and change Loose Change which makes Loose Change 2, then again go and change to make their final version LC3. They failed over and over. No info was right and they backed out of most theories.

The more you see, read, watch and understand you'll see we just were plainly attacked.

 

[VIBE]

As for the smoke at the bottom of the WTC's do you not believe in debris? Bottom floor windows were GONE. Blown out. The impact reached the very bottom. People at the lobbies were on fire, which goes to show that fire and smoke are there.

There was smoke, not a lot but there was smoke. You think because a small trail of white smoke is there it's a bomb? LOL come on get real.

 

[jazz93]

This is ridiculous. 9/11 was absolutely an inside job committed by us. If you don't believe so it is because you haven't done real research or you can't grasp it emotionally so you choose not to believe.

If you are unsure about ANYTHING in life (guns in the hood, mafia owned businesses, gambling, funding of insurgents, banking regulations, etc) all you have to do is track the money. You can NEVER go wrong if you track the source of the money. Wall Street is a place for insiders, ONLY insiders get ridiculously rich. Everyone else loses money or is lucky to break even over time. If you look at the stock market the Friday before 9/11 you will notice that all airline and related stocks too a huge dip. They were trending at a certain point and went down steeply that Friday as the insiders sold their stock. The companies that stood to benefit from cleanup, oil ties, etc like Halliburton and Bechtel all took a huge jump. Check the 10Qs of those companies and you can see exactly what insiders sold what, when they sold it, for how much and how much they made. The SEC requires the insiders to report all of their transactions.

The architect of the WTC bldgs said they designed it with the ability to withstand the impact of a 747. Yet these didn't. Fuel cannot burn a building made out of steel in 7 seconds. Never before or since 9/11 in the history of The US has a fire totally burned a steel building.

Yesterday there were 1280 architects circulating a petition for the 9/11 truth to be told because they know how the buildings were destroyed.

I could go on and on. If anyone seriously wants to debate intelligently without getting emotional, I welcome ALL comers.

 

[jazz93]

The airline industry just put cellphone towers in the planes in 2006. Now you can make cellphone calls from the air. Anyone who has traveled on an airplane knows this to be true. You could never make cellphone calls from the air. Now you can.

Yet in 2001, a passenger calls his girl from a cellphone and tells her he loves her and that the plane has been hijacked? Then he gets off the phone and says "Let's roll?" How could he do this if cellphones didn't work that high up in the air back then? C'mon son. That phone call was never made. It was a made up story, designed to tug at our heartstrings. It worked.

You guys seriously need to do your homework and NOT think with your emotions or your personal beliefs. I used to think their was no way we had anything to do with it. I thought anyone who thought so was a kook. Then I did my own research.

Wake up people. Why was Dick Cheney in the booth that morning misleading, I mean controlling Norad? Years before 9/11 Norad had 100% accuracy on all events and threats. They have had 100% accuracy since. Yet that morning they made mistake after mistake? With Dick Cheney at the wheels? Negro please.

 

[cobbland]

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some questions :

why wasn't marvin bush questioned during the commission report as he supervised world trade bldg security both before and on september eleventh?

why were all videos of the approaching flight of united airlines flight 77 leading to the "alleged" crash into the pentagon wall that day confiscated and fully hidden from your view as a fellow American?

why have there been no traces of titanium engine debris, one of the hardest metals on earth, weighing several tons, never found in either the pentagon nor pennsylvania crash?

why was thermate powder found in all three buildings, world trade 1, world trade 2, and world trade 7, certified verification by electron microscope research, yet world trade 7 was not hit by a plane, and none of the 2 aircraft hitting buildings 1 and 2, respectively, had the chemical composition for thermate?

why would 80% of the world trade buildings fall at rate of 10 floors/ second, when they were at room temperature and the structural rigidity of steel framing plus the 47 massive steel columns in the center of each of the buildings had more than enough resistance to prevent a building fall at the speed of gravity? put another way, if there was nothing but air from the bottom of where the planes each hit the building, and from a start point in time, the buildings would collapse at 10 floors/ second which is the speed of gravity. however, when you have steel frame, concrete floors, 47 steel columns in the center of the world trade building, and all other items slowing up the fall (desks, chairs, other furniture), collectively it would take about 2 seconds / floor x 80 floors, or 160 seconds, which is over 2 1/2 minutes to fall, and even then, the bottom of the world trade could be pancaked floor by floor from about 300 feet up. yet this was not the case.

why were there concrete dust projections laterally exploded over 100 yards around the circumference of the world trade buildings, when if it was simply pancake gravity, there would be virtually minimal dust?

why would the steel frames even melt during the 60 minutes of "heat" from the jet fuel when most of the jet fuel was burned up in fireball outside the world trade building, which we all saw on video, and therefore most of the heat dissipated, and in addition the steel itself was fire safety rated for 2000 degrees farenheit. Jet fuel burns about 150 degrees COOLER than the steel safety rating, which was good for over 6 hours, incidently. there is no way steel should have melted in any capacity from the short burst of cool heat compared to the safety high temperature rated steel.

why didn't norad and the various safety facilities in washington dc deflect the plane onto the pentagon, since they had over an hour or so before the pentagon was hit and all commercial flights in the USA were grounded after the world trade buildings 1 and 2 were hit. in other words, norad/ air traffic controllers should have detered the flight into the pentagon, since they had plenty of time to deflect the flight but didnt. its almost as if the pentagon WANTED their building to be hit, so as to further the publilcs sympathy for the pentagon, even if that means giving up military lives, so what. the ones who planned this attack were safely in their offices chuckling with their girlfriends and alcohol, enjoying the air show.

why hasn't there been a full secondary investigation of september eleventh particularly with all these unanswered questions and bush and cheney conveniently had their own interviews in private, unrecorded, undocumented, and not under oath. its time to bring bush, cheney, rumsfelt, rice, and others: all the pentagon admirals and leaders of joint chiefs of staff to be equally investigated.

and if the fbi conficated the pentagon videos, then the fbi needs to be investigated.

bottom line: you can't force Americans and the world to believe a lie, then continue endless war on terror

 

[cobbland]

Bin Laden is dead.

[video=youtube;UnychOXj9Tg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnychOXj9Tg[/video]

 

[cobbland]

cobbland

Well it's quite obvious those bin laden followers aren't being forced to believe it really happened as you conspiracy lug nuts spew your nonsense.

afterthought

Mister cobbland do you actually think America's government and it's politicians are competent enough to actually pull this off?

I don't beleive it was just "American politicians."

It was an international effort.

Other high ranking officals in "allied" nations had to know about it.