57th Annual Grammy Awards Thread a.k.a. The Show Where N-ggas Will Riot If Minstrel Show Iggy Wins

[J.J._Evans]

Kanye giving his award to Lil Wayne in 2008 because he felt Wayne deserved it that year. At least the nigga is consistent.

 

[nujerz84]

If you dont play instruments you're not a musician.

Says who?

Is the voice not an instrument? I think you would be hard pressed to find to great singers who aren't familiar with notes, and scales.

Says Me, virtually any dictionary in existence and anyone with a hint of common sense.

Music Artist, SongWriters and Performers is not the same as a musician.

Singers are vocalist not musicians (unless said vocailist/singers do in fact play instruments).

I was really hoping you would at least try but you didn't. So....

musician

noun mu·si·cian \myü-ˈzi-shən\

: a person who writes, sings, or plays music

Full Definition of MUSICIAN

: a composer, conductor, or performer of music; especially : instrumentalist

A musician (or instrumentalist) is a person who plays a musical instrument or is musically talented, or one who composes, conducts, or performs music. Musicians can specialize in any musical style, and some musicians play in a variety of different styles.

As I suspected you aren't any type of authority. In fact you aren't even intelligent.

As I suspected you also lack any kind of authority, as well as critical thinking skills and common sense. This debate is been going on for years within the music community and we are up on opposite side of the debate. I tend to believe my view is more logical, makes more sense, more easily backed up and verified my variety of reasons. Many of these pop and r and b singers are not writing, composing or conducting any kind of music or lyrics. Nor can most actually read and write actual sheet music or play any instruments.

Many singers (there are some who do but most don't) in today's climate have very little if anything to do with the actual MUSIC MAKING PROCESS. They don't write the lyrics that they are singing, they don't compose, conduct or play any instruments to create the music/instrumentation they sing over and MOST Vocals are already arranged and laid down by the writer over the music to show the singer how to sing the song (IE the vocal notes, ranges, pitches, scales).

These two tracks are just examples of what I am talking about...



By your view because Britney and Jesse are singers and performers they are musicians. To me R Kelly and Dream are the musicians as they are the ones who did everything on the song (composing, writing, arranging) to showing artist how to actually sing over the track ( Britney and Jesse doing there best R Kelly and Dream Impressions on each track).

This is goes on with alot of singers today in R&B and Pop, sorry bruh if they are doing this they are not musicians, now if they actually take part in the music making process and come up with notes, pitch, scales, lyrics or play instruments then yes he/she are musicians.

 

[whatevathehell]

sam smith gay..da fuck?

 

[Kwan Dai]

If you dont play instruments you're not a musician.

Says who?

Is the voice not an instrument? I think you would be hard pressed to find to great singers who aren't familiar with notes, and scales.

Says Me, virtually any dictionary in existence and anyone with a hint of common sense.

Music Artist, SongWriters and Performers is not the same as a musician.

Singers are vocalist not musicians (unless said vocailist/singers do in fact play instruments).

I was really hoping you would at least try but you didn't. So....

musician

noun mu·si·cian \myü-ˈzi-shən\

: a person who writes, sings, or plays music

Full Definition of MUSICIAN

: a composer, conductor, or performer of music; especially : instrumentalist

A musician (or instrumentalist) is a person who plays a musical instrument or is musically talented, or one who composes, conducts, or performs music. Musicians can specialize in any musical style, and some musicians play in a variety of different styles.

As I suspected you aren't any type of authority. In fact you aren't even intelligent.

As I suspected you also lack any kind of authority, as well as critical thinking skills and common sense. This debate is been going on for years within the music community and we are up on opposite side of the debate. I tend to believe my view is more logical, makes more sense, more easily backed up and verified my variety of reasons. Many of these pop and r and b singers are not writing, composing or conducting any kind of music or lyrics. Nor can most actually read and write actual sheet music or play any instruments.

Many singers (there are some who do but most don't) in today's climate have very little if anything to do with the actual MUSIC MAKING PROCESS. They don't write the lyrics that they are singing, they don't compose, conduct or play any instruments to create the music/instrumentation they sing over and MOST Vocals are already arranged and laid down by the writer over the music to show the singer how to sing the song (IE the vocal notes, ranges, pitches, scales).

These two tracks are just examples of what I am talking about...



By your view because Britney and Jesse are singers and performers they are musicians. To me R Kelly and Dream are the musicians as they are the ones who did everything on the song (composing, writing, arranging) to showing artist how to actually sing over the track ( Britney and Jesse doing there best R Kelly and Dream Impressions on each track).

This is goes with virtually many singers today in R&B and Pop, sorry bruh if they are doing this they are not musicians, now if they actually take part in the music making process and come up with notes, pitch, scales, lyrics or play instruments then yes he/she are musicians.

Debate Over.

LMAO. I gave you dictionary definitions of "Musician". Your opinion means shit. Move along. Clown. A vocalist recording their vocals isn't a part of the music making process now? Seriously STFU? You are making no sense at all.

 

[Broddie]

Beck's album was actually pretty good though. Beck got his Brian Eno, Pink Floyd and Beach Boys on and I could see why they gave him the award. Those are the type of people voting. It's not exactly for Beyonce's audience either. She makes good stripper music but let's be real here outside of that...

I don't watch the grammys but Kanye cracking me up in the news as usual. I wish South Park was still on the air right now instead of on hiatus lmao.

 

[MasterJayN100]

 

[Nah Son]

Kanye giving his award to Lil Wayne in 2008 because he felt Wayne deserved it that year. At least the nigga is consistent.

He wanted to give away one to Big Boi too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=PqzLaJr9WjU

Yeezy is something else man. You cant put him in a category. Egoistical, smart, funny af, maniacal, childish, straight forward, hes all those things combined

 

[nujerz84]

If you dont play instruments you're not a musician.

Says who?

Is the voice not an instrument? I think you would be hard pressed to find to great singers who aren't familiar with notes, and scales.

Says Me, virtually any dictionary in existence and anyone with a hint of common sense.

Music Artist, SongWriters and Performers is not the same as a musician.

Singers are vocalist not musicians (unless said vocailist/singers do in fact play instruments).

I was really hoping you would at least try but you didn't. So....

musician

noun mu·si·cian \myü-ˈzi-shən\

: a person who writes, sings, or plays music

Full Definition of MUSICIAN

: a composer, conductor, or performer of music; especially : instrumentalist

A musician (or instrumentalist) is a person who plays a musical instrument or is musically talented, or one who composes, conducts, or performs music. Musicians can specialize in any musical style, and some musicians play in a variety of different styles.

As I suspected you aren't any type of authority. In fact you aren't even intelligent.

As I suspected you also lack any kind of authority, as well as critical thinking skills and common sense. This debate is been going on for years within the music community and we are up on opposite side of the debate. I tend to believe my view is more logical, makes more sense, more easily backed up and verified my variety of reasons. Many of these pop and r and b singers are not writing, composing or conducting any kind of music or lyrics. Nor can most actually read and write actual sheet music or play any instruments.

Many singers (there are some who do but most don't) in today's climate have very little if anything to do with the actual MUSIC MAKING PROCESS. They don't write the lyrics that they are singing, they don't compose, conduct or play any instruments to create the music/instrumentation they sing over and MOST Vocals are already arranged and laid down by the writer over the music to show the singer how to sing the song (IE the vocal notes, ranges, pitches, scales).

These two tracks are just examples of what I am talking about...



By your view because Britney and Jesse are singers and performers they are musicians. To me R Kelly and Dream are the musicians as they are the ones who did everything on the song (composing, writing, arranging) to showing artist how to actually sing over the track ( Britney and Jesse doing there best R Kelly and Dream Impressions on each track).

This is goes with virtually many singers today in R&B and Pop, sorry bruh if they are doing this they are not musicians, now if they actually take part in the music making process and come up with notes, pitch, scales, lyrics or play instruments then yes he/she are musicians.

Debate Over.

LMAO. I gave you dictionary definitions of "Musician". Your opinion means shit. Move along. Clown. A vocalist recording their vocals isn't a part of the music making process now? Seriously STFU? You are making no sense at all.

This is a debate that is going on among classically trained music community so lmao at you acting like your view is absolute. You are attributing vocalist and singing the same characteristics/definitions as instrumentalist/musicians they are not one and the same by any definition.

I refuse to believe you are this dense. Let me break it down further for you and the rest of slow folks who fail to comprehend the point that can be easily undersood.

If the vocal arrangements were created entirely by someone else and not of your own creation and all you did was take it and recorded it then no that person was not part of the music making process.

Never-mind that your definition of music you provided is suspect.... as the FULL Definition of Musician, Singing is not included in any dictionary

American Heritage Dictionary:

mu·si·cian (my-zĭshən)

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n.

One who composes, conducts, or performs music, especially instrumental music.

[Middle English musicien, from Old French, from Latin mūsica, music; see MUSIC.]

mu·sician·ly adj.

mu·sician·ship′ n.

Oxford English Dictionary:

1. A person talented in the art of music.

Often overlapping with sense 2.

In modern use not generally applied to a person who writes music, for whom composer is the more usual term.

2. A person who performs music, esp. on a musical instrument; a professional performer of music.

3. In extended use: a person or thing likened to a musician; esp. a songbird.

1597 Shakespeare Richard II i. iii. 256 + 21 Suppose the singing birds musitions.

?1614 W. Drummond Song: It Autumne was in Poems The wing'd Musicians did salute the Morne.

a1653 H. Binning Serm. (1845) 595 Christ and His ministers are the musicians that do apply their songs to catch men's ears and hearts.

1723 J. Barker Patch-work Screen for Ladies 106 The Ladies went thither, where they were saluted with a most pleasant Consort of chirping Musicians.

1880 A. Newton in Encycl. Brit. XI. 209/1 The notes of the hen [of the Pine-Grosbeak] may be deemed to qualify her as a musician of no small merit.

1928 Sci. Monthly July 82 We have another order of insects which are instrumental musicians of the highest stamp, the Orthoptera.

1993 L. Beinhart Amer. Hero. xviii. 137 Every artist is a jazz musician, running new riffs on old turns.

Merriam-Webster Dictionary

Full Definition of MUSICIAN

: a composer, conductor, or performer of music; especially : instrumentalist

— mu·si·cian·ly \-lē\ adjective

— mu·si·cian·ship \-ˌship\ noun

See musician defined for English-language learners

See musician defined for kids

Examples of MUSICIAN

She's a very talented musician.

First Known Use of MUSICIAN

14th century

Related to MUSICIAN

Synonyms

instrumentalist, player:

MacMillian Dictionary:

someone who performs or writes music, especially as their job

a jazz/rock/classical musician

Synonyms and related words

People who play musical instruments or write music: accompanist, bandsman, bassist, busker, cellist, composer, drum major, drummer, fiddler, first violin... More

Oxford Dictionary:

someone who performs or writes music, especially as their job

a jazz/rock/classical musician

Synonyms and related words

People who play musical instruments or write music: accompanist, bandsman, bassist, busker, cellist, composer, drum major, drummer, fiddler, first violin... More

To further ether your point the Oxford Dictionary makes a clear distinction between singer and musician.

Definition of soloist in English:

NOUN

A musician or singer who performs a solo:

 

[kingblaze84]

You gotta really look at things and put in perspective of how deep in this Beyonce swallowfest mfers are in.

Beyonce drops her album. Honestly all her ablbums come and go the same to me: they're events, more about the pomp and ceremony than the music. The music is cool, but ok. I hear all the sngs an dthe songs themselves dont blow me away, but im thinkin 'wow, its everywhere. She's takin over'

Then it really hit me when Black Messiah drops. My Goodness. Apples and oranges. She's not on that level.

Then it really hits me when i revisit say Amy Winehouse Back to Black, which is >>>>anything Beyonce's done.

You gotta remember Miseducation of Lauryn Hill. Remember pre-Swizz Alicia Keys

Beyonce is gettin to that Tim Duncan stage where her accoldaes and the incredulousness when she doesnt win is due to her longevity and stature more than anything.

Black people look dumb af catering to her. She's overrated as fuk. But there's just a dearth of quality AND popular black artists (there's plenty quality, but not popular), so she's all we got so we throw all the money on her. STep back and really look at her music. This bytch aint talkin bout SHYT. Lol Pharrell inspriing people. Fag Smith is inspiring people. That 'take em church' song is inspiring. Beyonce on the other hand is actually closer to 'move that bass' and iggy azalea and all that pop shyt. She's borderline makin bubble gum pop at times. /rant

PREEEACH, Beyonce is beyond overrated. She can sing but her songs just aren't that good most of the time

 

[MARIO_DRO]

Kanye wishes he was fuckin Beyoncé so bad

Who doesn't?

I DONT..

GIVE ME @Kat AND IM GOOD!

 

[eternal soldier]

I wonder of he would've jumped on stage if Iggy would've won Best Rap album..

 

[rip.dilla]

It's all well and good giving his own awards out but he shouldn't force other people to give theirs out too.

He also shouldn't judge on what artistry is because his musicianship (IMO) in the last few years has been slightly above average

 

[Max.]

Kanye giving Away ama awards n shit

We talkn grammys...he has a bunch already...idk why he gets so salty over bey not winnin

 

[infamous114]

 

[dontdiedontkillanyon]

It's all well and good giving his own awards out but he shouldn't force other people to give theirs out too.

He also shouldn't judge on what artistry is because his musicianship (IMO) in the last few years has been slightly above average

According to a Bjork interview from a few weeks back Kanye wasn't even in the studio a lot of the time when Yeezus was being produced. Bjork just finished completing her album with Arca and is about to go on tour with him - he was one of the producers who worked on Yeezus so there is more than likely some substance or truth to that claim, so if that is true then Kanye is the last person to be talking about artistry.

 

[StoneColdMikey]

Nas looks stressed. Gotta be that's white pussy

 

[rip.dilla]

Nas looks stressed. Gotta be that's white pussy

Jay the funniest looking outta the three to me

 

[BoogaSuga]

Nas looks stressed. Gotta be that's white pussy

Jay the funniest looking outta the three to me

Im wondering how Fab got into the Grammys

 

[dontdiedontkillanyon]

Pitchfork: The world has a difficult time with the female auteur.

Bjork: I have nothing against Kanye West. Help me with this—I’m not dissing him—this is about how people talk about him. With the last album he did, he got all the best beatmakers on the planet at the time to make beats for him. A lot of the time, he wasn’t even there. Yet no one would question his authorship for a second. If whatever I’m saying to you now helps women, I’m up for saying it. For example, I did 80% of the beats on Vespertine and it took me three years to work on that album, because it was all microbeats—it was like doing a huge embroidery piece. Matmos came in the last two weeks and added percussion on top of the songs, but they didn’t do any of the main parts, and they are credited everywhere as having done the whole album. [Matmos’] Drew [Daniel] is a close friend of mine, and in every single interview he did, he corrected it. And they don’t even listen to him. It really is strange.
http://m.pitchfork.com/features/interviews/9582-the-invisible-woman-a-conversation-with-bjork/

 

[rip.dilla]

Nas looks stressed. Gotta be that's white pussy

Jay the funniest looking outta the three to me

Im wondering how Fab got into the Grammys

RocNation?