50 or Puffy or JayZ, Who is the most powerful HipHop Rapper/Mogul???

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MR.CJ;1716516 said:
lol niggas don't fear diddy

Bullshit. You already know Diddy's back-story due to all the Pac and Big threads. Curtis stood up to Preme so of course he will talk shit to Diddy as well (who's cool with some of Preme's people.)

Nevertheless, I repeat, Fif will never try Diddy's security team and nor has he ever paper gangstered any artist from Bad Boy. Lox begged to be free and never got free. Shyne did 10 years for Diddy & Steve Stout took a severe beating.
 
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musicology1985;1716533 said:
Bullshit. You already know Diddy's back-story due to all the Pac and Big threads. Curtis stood up to Preme so of course he will talk shit to Diddy as well (who's cool with some of Preme's people.)

Nevertheless, I repeat, Fif will never try Diddy's security team and nor has he ever paper gangstered any artist from Bad Boy. Lox begged to be free and never got free. Shyne did 10 years for Diddy & Steve Stout took a severe beating.

so saying diddy is the GOAT mogul?
 
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MR.CJ;1716539 said:
so saying diddy is the GOAT mogul?

Hands down without a doubt. He may lose the polls online but in the corporate world his fellow execs know what it is. Jay was never really strong as a mogul in Hip Hop other than with his own products and Fif is already starting to fade in Hip Hop. Diddy has been at it from 1990-2010. From Father MC to Rozay, he can't and wont stop.
 
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musicology1985;1716552 said:
Hands down without a doubt. He may lose the polls online but in the corporate world his fellow execs know what it is. Jay was never really strong as a mogul in Hip Hop other than with his own products and Fif is already starting to fade in Hip Hop. Diddy has been at it from 1990-2010. From Father MC to Rozay, he can't and wont stop.

what about russell?
 
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@sionb55

Man u aint letting up LOL.

@ 1st point.... YES they are - the vast majority of them are. Hes not even a mogul like that now hes more of a socialite now. Look at the types of deals he gets, a good portion are endorsements & theyre dependent on his ability to stay relevant. When ur putting 4 million dollars behind his project & u slippin like that tho i guess its understandable.... not very boss like tho LOL

Again, not all of them are. And even when that is the case, he's still relevant.

@ 2nd point.... so is Drake but is he as powerful as the 3 niggas we talmbout ? i think not.

Doesn't matter. Diddy's been at the top in earnings for Hip Hop Execs since the days of Russell Simmons, Andre Harrell and Suge Knight.

@ 3rd point.... all the more reason for him to ride off them, DESPERATION.

No it's not. He worked with Blidge and Mary in that same capacity while the records at BB were still selling. His last cert was 2008 and he's just going through a rough patch which I give him as pass for because he had a long streak from 94-08 with certs in every year.

@ 5th point.... I dont think so, from Black Rob, Game to Jada/LOX to even Whoo Kid and them niggas.

I don't understand what this means.

50 isnt goin to hit puff lol its not that serious.

You claimed he bullied Puffy and you were wrong.

Good God Whoo Kid & them were even clowning Puff about Cassie lol.

There's nothing wrong with jokes.

@ 6th point.... puffy takes advantage of all the suckers but is quick to freeze up wen in the presence to the smarter cats. Even Baby & Wayne said they know better than to let niggas get in their ears wen he was shoutin them out.

He ain't froze up and all of em' take advantage. He got work on the Wayne and Baby's block.


@ 7th point.... Puff wasnt bullied into a corner ? After Bombs First puff was circling back trying maintain damage control, everyone from his Big's moms to the feds were questioning what 50 said (shortly after threads on the IC were even being made about Fif snitching LOLOL),

Dry snitching is Fif's greatest political asset. Diddy does not want investigations like Irv.


no other nigga wouldve had the balls to call out puff on something like that.

Plenty people have called out Puff.


Just to keep the peace he did the I Get Money remix & was sucking up to Fif taking pictures w/ him n shit.... & wat does Fif do later ? disses him again LOL. Puff wasnt tryna let go of Mase & share the money and he wasnt tryna give G-Unit any piece of Mase's old material hence why they couldnt come to an agreement.

That was a good song and again, Fif never paper gangster-ed Mase from Puff. Puff kept everything he wanted and some.

@ 8th point.... no proof ?

There is no proof of extortion here. The gay allegations have been here for a while.


Overall, its great that hes got those things happening on New Years but in comparison to the 2 hes not seeing them. Vodka is cool but Coca Cola is one of the greatest companies in the world (vitamin water haha). Puff is powerful but just not as powerful as Jay & Fif. Like the other 2 sure hes got other things in entertainment poppin off but still its not enuff to put him ahead of Jay or 50.

I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
 
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@Sion

Going at Diddy's security team has nothing to do w/ anything tho LOL. 50 Cent is a grown ass man only a peon is going to fight another niggas security.

Again, you claimed that he bullied Puffy and there is no proof of such.

Shyne was a sucker

Shyne did what he had to do and what he thought was right.

but even then we know that puff was too pretty for jail & had this magnificent career to tend to LOL.

That and like they say on capitol hill and wallstreet, "he was too big to fail."

In no way could he have helped pay Shyne's legal fees or even do so much as visit him seeing as how he owe Shyne his life. Having a Best selling book, one of the largest hiphop sites in the world, Banks doin well, vitamin water, a 200 million dollar movie production deal (how many years has puff been acting again & hes never gotten nothing like this b4 ? smh), video games, fragrances, sports memorabilia, music & much much more. 50 Cent >> Diddy.

His Notorious film did great in theaters and his other productions in Hollywood and Broadway have as well. As far as all the other stuff that you listed, Puff has all of that as well. I still say 1. Sean 2. Shawn 3. Curtis 4. Williams Brothers 5. Russell

All are from a Hip Hop Mogul perspective.
 
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This is why Diddy changed the Supreme Team name

Curtis and his African American Fraternal Order of Police Squad in September 2009

[video=youtube;7pJZumYKI94]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7pJZumYKI94[/video]

Hov be on his snake shit. Diddy be on his Metrosexual Pimp Shit. And 50 be on his popo shit. Pick your poison.
 
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DatNiggaB1;1716691 said:
Jay-Z gets to lunch wid the President, thats recoginiton from the highest authority.

obama-and-diddy.jpg


Sean and Shawn are both good with Obama. Sean Combs is good with the Clinton's too. Vote or Die was not a gimmick.
 
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You forgot about Russel Simmons, Master P and Will Smith.
It depends on how you define powerful hip hop mogul.

Jay is focused on his rap career, but is powerful because of a variety of business venture.
Same with 50, but he gets mentioned mainly because of the Vitamin Water deal.
Puffy is music producer at first and establishing artists, but does make the most money of things outside music.
Master P started with No Limit, but has gone away from music and is concentrating on other business ventures
Will Smith started with rap, but moved on to hollywood become the most powerful actor on the planet
Russel Simmons is the only one who deserved the title most powerful hip hop mogul, because the main foundation of his wealth is Def Jam (Music, Artists, etc.)
 
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master_mentor;1716704 said:
You forgot about Russel Simmons, Master P and Will Smith.
It depends on how you define powerful hip hop mogul.

Jay is focused on his rap career, but is powerful because of a variety of business venture.
Same with 50, but he gets mentioned mainly because of the Vitamin Water deal.
Puffy is music producer at first and establishing artists, but does make the most money of things outside music.
Master P started with No Limit, but has gone away from music and is concentrating on other business ventures
Will Smith started with rap, but moved on to hollywood become the most powerful actor on the planet
Russel Simmons is the only one who deserved the title most powerful hip hop mogul, because the main foundation of his wealth is Def Jam (Music, Artists, etc.)

This is about rapper moguls. Using your criteria the list would still be the same with just a few added names like Will and P. Jay and or 50 seems to be the peoples champ so I'll make one final list for the folks.

1. Shawn Carter

2. Curtis Jackson

3. Sean Combs

4. Brian Williams

5. Percy Miller

6. O'shea Jackson

7. Marshall Mathers

8. Kanye West

9. Calvin Broadus/Will Smith

10. Jermaine Dupri

Peace out y'all.
 
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Lol i dont kno why niggas is arguing between puff and 50...i thought we already established jay as the goat...the fact that he can still put out platinum records while the other two struggle to get hits...the fact that his roster of artists...willow smith...j cole...alexis jordan...jay electronica...is stronger than both puff and 50's rosters combined...the fact that be has a best seller on the way...he own a baset ball team...he got 40/40 club...and lets not forget the fact that he made more money on his own last year than both them niggas combined...and then some...lol true puffy was there before jay...and 50 was ahead at one point when he came after...but the fact of the matter is he has NEVER fallen off...wat ever he touches turns to gold...he was president of def jam...creating stars such as ross....rihanna...ne-yo...etc...lets not even talk about the fact the roc-a-fella facter...kanye??....camrons only plaq...fact of the matter is jay has more power within music circles....as well as outside music circles than both of them...while these guys are busy trying to stay relevent...(lol @ 50 doin a vid wit some interent geek...lol @ diddy...period...)....jay is peddling his book...probably selling more than most peeps albums...whip my hair getting constant air play...the intire internet awaitng the arival of j cole...tho he bullshit to me...seems like y'all love this motherfucker....and still being able to sell records...clothes...tickets to some shitty formerly NJ based basketball team...etc....and to add to that he fucking beyonce...which is more than a bonus in my book...lets not lie here...Jigga runs hip-hop...and will do for some time...honestly i dont see any of them two catching up to jay...the only person who has a remote chance of taking that thrown is birdman...everyone else is dead in the water...
 
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thedarkprince;1716812 said:
Lol i dont kno why niggas is arguing between puff and 50...i thought we already established jay as the goat...the fact that he can still put out platinum records while the other two struggle to get hits...the fact that his roster of artists...willow smith...j cole...alexis jordan...jay electronica...is stronger than both puff and 50's rosters combined...the fact that be has a best seller on the way...he own a baset ball team...he got 40/40 club...and lets not forget the fact that he made more money on his own last year than both them niggas combined...and then some...lol true puffy was there before jay...and 50 was ahead at one point when he came after...but the fact of the matter is he has NEVER fallen off...wat ever he touches turns to gold...he was president of def jam...creating stars such as ross....rihanna...ne-yo...etc...lets not even talk about the fact the roc-a-fella facter...kanye??....camrons only plaq...fact of the matter is jay has more power within music circles....as well as outside music circles than both of them...while these guys are busy trying to stay relevent...(lol @ 50 doin a vid wit some interent geek...lol @ diddy...period...)....jay is peddling his book...probably selling more than most peeps albums...whip my hair getting constant air play...the intire internet awaitng the arival of j cole...tho he bullshit to me...seems like y'all love this motherfucker....and still being able to sell records...clothes...tickets to some shitty formerly NJ based basketball team...etc....and to add to that he fucking beyonce...which is more than a bonus in my book...lets not lie here...Jigga runs hip-hop...and will do for some time...honestly i dont see any of them two catching up to jay...the only person who has a remote chance of taking that thrown is birdman...everyone else is dead in the water...

Yea all of this ^^^^^^^
 
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I'm going to say either Jay or Fif mainly because they did it without college educations which can be hard to do for alot of niggas. But I'd take any of the 3's spot if I could.
 
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thedarkprince;1716812 said:
Lol i dont kno why niggas is arguing between puff and 50...i thought we already established jay as the goat...the fact that he can still put out platinum records while the other two struggle to get hits...the fact that his roster of artists...willow smith...j cole...alexis jordan...jay electronica...is stronger than both puff and 50's rosters combined...the fact that be has a best seller on the way...he own a baset ball team...he got 40/40 club...and lets not forget the fact that he made more money on his own last year than both them niggas combined...and then some...lol true puffy was there before jay...and 50 was ahead at one point when he came after...but the fact of the matter is he has NEVER fallen off...wat ever he touches turns to gold...he was president of def jam...creating stars such as ross....rihanna...ne-yo...etc...lets not even talk about the fact the roc-a-fella facter...kanye??....camrons only plaq...fact of the matter is jay has more power within music circles....as well as outside music circles than both of them...while these guys are busy trying to stay relevent...(lol @ 50 doin a vid wit some interent geek...lol @ diddy...period...)....jay is peddling his book...probably selling more than most peeps albums...whip my hair getting constant air play...the intire internet awaitng the arival of j cole...tho he bullshit to me...seems like y'all love this motherfucker....and still being able to sell records...clothes...tickets to some shitty formerly NJ based basketball team...etc....and to add to that he fucking beyonce...which is more than a bonus in my book...lets not lie here...Jigga runs hip-hop...and will do for some time...honestly i dont see any of them two catching up to jay...the only person who has a remote chance of taking that thrown is birdman...everyone else is dead in the water...

Alright this is my last word on it. The reason why I speak up for Diddy is because HE'S DONE 85% of his work on his own. Jay has never created a rap star (Ne-Yo & Rihanna don't count and Jeezy and Rozay are not his artists.) J Cole ain't ready yet and Willow ain't rap. Nonetheless, Diddy brought us numerous rappers (Craig Mack, B.I.G., Lil Kim, Mase, The Lox, Black Rob, G. Dep, Young Jeezy, Young Joc and Guerrilla Zoe while resurrecting 8 Ball and MJG's careers while currently managing Rozay & Nicki Minaj to much success.) Loon is the only rap artist under Diddy that did not find success after an album release. Loon did, however, appear on many singles with Diddy from 2002-2003, so he saw some progress there.

Diddy and his Hitmen production team have held down all Bad Boy artists, Busta Rhymes, Ghostface Killah, Big Pun, Rakim, KRS One, Fat Joe, Ice Cube and many other prominent rappers & singers FOR OVER A DECADE and even before that he was producing for Father MC & Heavy D. I just can't fathom why he's not acknowledged for actually doing what rap moguls are supposed to do. It makes no sense to me.

Some of this may also have something to do with net worth reported as well. Jay has been listed at 547M, 50 at 440M while Diddy has stayed at 346M since 2006. Why? IDK. He's had numerous successful business deals since then and he was neck and neck with P. in the late 90's. If P. is at 661M than Diddy should be at 550M at least by now.

50's only had his G Unit hookup as far as success directly related to rap. Diddy has matched them all in outside endeavors and surpassed them all in musical ones. I just don't think he'll ever get his just due. 50 said it himself that Jay ain't worth as much as people think. Maybe he knows something that we don't. I rest my case.

Diddy gets his respect in industry, international, pop and corporate circles but I doubt that he'll ever get props on the internet and amongst the average rap fan. He's also respected by the street legends (Jimmy Henchmen, Fat Joe) Drug Kingpins (Big Meech & Southwest T) & the money launderers (Jacob "the jeweler" Arabov) Regardless of what Curtis says.
 
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musicology1985;1716826 said:
Alright this is my last word on it. The reason why I speak up for Diddy is because HE'S DONE 85% of his work on his own. Jay has never created a rap star (Ne-Yo & Rihanna don't count and Jeezy and Rozay are not his artists.) J Cole ain't ready yet and Willow ain't rap. Nonetheless, Diddy brought us numerous rappers (Craig Mack, B.I.G., Lil Kim, Mase, The Lox, Black Rob, G. Dep, Young Jeezy, Young Joc and Guerrilla Zoe while resurrecting 8 Ball and MJG's careers while currently managing Rozay & Nicki Minaj to much success.) Loon is the only rap artist under Diddy that did not find success after an album release. Loon did, however, appear on many singles with Diddy from 2002-2003, so he saw some progress there.

Diddy and his Hitmen production team have held down all Bad Boy artists, Busta Rhymes, Ghostface Killah, Big Pun, Rakim, KRS One, Fat Joe, Ice Cube and many other prominent rappers & singers FOR OVER A DECADE and even before that he was producing for Father MC & Heavy D. I just can't fathom why he's not acknowledged for actually doing what rap moguls are supposed to do. It makes no sense to me.

Some of this may also have something to do with net worth reported as well. Jay has been listed at 547M, 50 at 440M while Diddy has stayed at 346M since 2006. Why? IDK. He's had numerous successful business deals since then and he was neck and neck with P. in the late 90's. If P. is at 661M than Diddy should be at 550M at least by now.

50's only had his G Unit hookup as far as success directly related to rap. Diddy has matched them all in outside endeavors and surpassed them all in musical ones. I just don't think he'll ever get his just do. 50 said it himself that Jay ain't worth as much as people think. Maybe he knows something that we don't. I rest my case.

1st of all let me correct you. G-Dep also didn't have much "success". He had a hot single aaaaaannnd...poof he was gone. I liked his album personally. I dont think it was his fault; it seemed to me he didn't get alot of push from BB. Then of course we found out he is homeless and a crackhead. Whole other story.

Secondly, ONE of the definitions of a "mogul" is a extremely powerful business person. Can we really consider Puffy to ever be a rapper? REALLY?! No. Puffy's strength has always been on the business side and initially Puffy was the man, second to Russell Simmons because no matter what people say,Russell was the original HipHop Mogul.

Its not about who you had as an artist, the albums you put out of the artist, blah blah blah....ITS ABOUT THE MOVES YOU MAKE BUSINESS WISE, and the success of your ventures you produce from your craft. 50 bigged up Vitamin Water, bought it, and then sold it for 240mil or something like that?! Thats GOOD BUSiNESS! and Jay has been making moves of that caliper for the last 5, 6 years!?!? Don't ever listen to one's competitor about how much another persons worth. IF thats the case 50 definitely ain't worth what he thinks he is then.

All you really have to ask yourselves is ...who has the MOST influence on the culture and society on the entertainment perspective right now??

The answer is rather easy.
 
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@RaHaLLdaY

1st of all let me correct you. G-Dep also didn't have much "success". He had a hot single aaaaaannnd...poof he was gone. I liked his album personally. I dont think it was his fault; it seemed to me he didn't get alot of push from BB. Then of course we found out he is homeless and a crackhead. Whole other story.

G Dep still experienced some success. He had 2 songs. Special Delivery, Special Delivery the remix and the Lets get it song with P. Diddy and G Dep. Diddy didn't tell dude to get on crack and for others to not properly go over contracts or mismanage funds. He's released ten times the successful acts IN RAP THAN JAY Z. Jay's only successful rappers came under Dame tutelage.

Secondly, ONE of the definitions of a "mogul" is a extremely powerful business person.

Diddy is a powerful business person who built his empire on his own. Unlike Jay Z.


Can we really consider Puffy to ever be a rapper? REALLY?! No.

Diddy has 5 successful albums ranging from 7M sold to Gold. He also has the record for most 1 single hits by a rapper.

Puffy's strength has always been on the business side and initially Puffy was the man, second to Russell Simmons because no matter what people say,Russell was the original HipHop Mogul.

Puffy and Russell are still the man. Jay and 50 too, but Jay has been boosted up the most with a lot of help over them all.


Its not about who you had as an artist, the albums you put out of the artist, blah blah blah....ITS ABOUT THE MOVES YOU MAKE BUSINESS WISE, and the success of your ventures you produce from your craft.

Diddy has done all of that blah blah blah, Sean John netted 100M in 2006 alone. And it is about the artists you put OUT as well, otherwise Russell would not be mentioned. Quit with the double standards and Camel Jockeying. Camel and produce no rap success other than himself.


50 bigged up Vitamin Water, bought it, and then sold it for 240mil or something like that?! Thats GOOD BUSiNESS! and Jay has been making moves of that caliper for the last 5, 6 years!?!?

Good move. Ciroc has reported soaring profits since their partnership with Diddy as well but we don't know what the exact numbers are.

Don't ever listen to one's competitor about how much another persons worth. IF thats the case 50 definitely ain't worth what he thinks he is then.

When the top wealthiest blacks were listed in 2009, Jay Z was on it for 150M, that may be actual worth so there's some truth to what Fif says. Many people behind the scenes have invested in the Jay Z brand. This is not a one man show.


All you really have to ask yourselves is ...who has the MOST influence on the culture and society on the entertainment perspective right now??

The answer is rather easy.

Sean is equally as influential as Shawn.
 
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