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d.green;2277557 said:What? It was his own label and he started the group/
hlf;2269076 said:According to DJ Vlad
1. Scarface
2. Bun B
3. Lil Wayne
4. Andre 3000
5. Missy Elliot
6. Three 6 Mafia
7. Big Boi
8. Juvenile
9. Ludacris
10. 8 Ball and MJG
11. T.I.
12. Pimp C
13. Master P
14. Luke
15. Devin The Dude
16. Lil Jon
17. Cee-Lo Green
18. Trina
19. Gucci Mane
20. Pitbull
21. Birdman
22. Young Jeezy
23. Z-Ro
24. Killer Mike
25. Trick Daddy
http://www.vladtv.com/blog/40395/vladtvs-25-most-influential-southern-rappers/
Discuss
georgia boi;2286881 said:Flip was not a multi-platinum rapper. U Gotta Feel Me went platinum. Trap Muzik was hardly a flop. T.I. didn't really have any crossover hits on that album. Trap Muzik had street records like "Be Easy" and "24's" as singles before "Rubberband Man" and "Let's Get Away" dropped which weren't crossovers either. Flip on the other hand had the radio friendly "Game Over" and "Sunshine" as singles. LOL @ T.I. being low on the food chain. Diddy was trying to sign T.I. and Pharrell was saying T.I. was the Jay Z of the South even though I'm Serious was a commercial flop. That's big words coming from Pharrell when he worked with Jay and he doesn't even say things like that about his own artists. Flip didn't beef with T.I. b/c the beef was started over "he say, she say".
As far as the artists that were working w/ T.I., notice I said legends and mainstream artists. T.I. was featured on their records, not the other way around.
Anyways back to the subject, either way T.I.'s imprint on Southern Rap is much bigger than Jeezy's. Take away the record sales and T.I.'s commercial appeal and you still have the rapper that influenced Jeezy and all the other trap rappers after. Before T.I., artists weren't even putting "trap" in their album and song titles. Soul Food track #4 made it a concept and gave artists like T.I. a blueprint stylistically, but T.I. made it a movement. Before T.I., "trap" rap didn't have a face.
To Jeezy's credit, he came with the whole "Snowman" theme and hot the shirts that were banned and what not. Jeezy's biggest influence was him influencing artist to get DJ Drama host a solo Gangsta Grillz. Before Jeezy, Gangsta Grillz were just compilations of different artists' songs, after you had Wayne and other artists going to Drama to host their tapes.
ratchet bity;2288779 said:Niggas know in da streets I'm da hardest so in da duck would I diss a gold artist - lil flip was u even alive when flip was out underground legend plat u gotta feel me 2x plat. Flip didn't wanna diss a nobody t.I. just like master p didn't respond to troy .just like t.I. didn't respond to Lo .just like 50 didn't respond to yukmouth . T.I. was doin features on niggas shit dissing flip n shit was hot
buttuh_b;2288826 said:Ain't no one sayin Flip is super influential.. we're saying Tip didn't get really popular on a national level til after the Flip beef, which was also right around the time Jeezy dropped. They both really popped at the same time.
G.R.I.P. Money $$$;2289364 said:back then i aint listen to hip hop that wasnt at least a lil bit out there in the mainstream, i can remember flip from the way we ball so he was on first, but im sure i heard t.i. a good 2 years b4 i even seen jeezy on bet uncut...
ratchet bity;2287910 said:Urban legend went platinum u gotta feel me went double platinum the leprechaun sold more than I'm serious n it was an underground release(research that if u don't believe those numbers) . T.I. was low on food chain yea niggas knew he had skills diddy tried sign Jeezy as a solo artist shit everybody was Tryn sign papoose does that mean papoose was big time ? Shit diddy signed red cafe red cafe don be on many mainstream shit he still low doe niggas know who is but he ain't big time just like t.I. before dissin flip
georgia boi;2289436 said:You are inflating Flip's numbers something serious.
LIL' FLIP Title
UNDAGROUND LEGEND Certification Date
12/03/2002 Label
COLUMBIA
Award Description
PLATINUM Format
ALBUM Category
SOLO Type
LIL' FLIP Title
U GOTTA FEEL ME Certification Date
08/18/2004 Label
COLUMBIA
Award Description
PLATINUM Format
ALBUM Category
SOLO Type
ST
Source: RIAA
There's not a multi-platinum album listed. LOL @ T.I. not being big on national level until after the beef. The mainstream audience doesn't even know T.I. had beef w/ any artist. As a matter of fact, the beef w/ Ludacris was much larger than the one with Flip. To say that the beef w/ Flip had any impact on T.I.'s fame is delusion. LOL @ T.I. being low on the food chain. Being a Gold artist isn't a small feat for an artist that's supposed to be so low on the totem pole. Again, T.I. was getting features on major albums at the time. Brandy doesn't collabo w/ small artists and producers as big as Pharrell don't give small artists a Jay Z comparison.
What I'm seeing is people downplaying T.I. for whatever reason because all I'm seeing is how random Southern artists are supposedly bigger and better than T.I. when the argument is supposed to be about dude's influence. It's obvious that T.I. has had a greater influence on Southern Hip Hop than Young Jeezy. You may like Jeezy better or just not flat out like T.I., but that's beside the point. Come with factual information to back your claim.
buttuh_b;2289715 said:How is it random southern artists?? You may not be a fan of Jeezy but you can't deny his impact. I was back and forth between Jersey and Seattle when he dropped and his impact was felt in hoods across the nation.. trust me. Matter fact, I was even in Savannah around that time and I remember hearing way more Jeezy than T.I.
And the fact remains... Tip was gold. Flip was platinum.
Dude. I like T.I. too... He was one of my favorite rappers at a time. He was influential on southern music, just not much as Jeezy.
buttuh_b;2289715 said:How is it random southern artists?? You may not be a fan of Jeezy but you can't deny his impact. I was back and forth between Jersey and Seattle when he dropped and his impact was felt in hoods across the nation.. trust me. Matter fact, I was even in Savannah around that time and I remember hearing way more Jeezy than T.I.
And the fact remains... Tip was gold. Flip was platinum.
Dude. I like T.I. too... He was one of my favorite rappers at a time. He was influential on southern music, just not much as Jeezy.
G.R.I.P. Money $$$;2289846 said:jeezy got more influence..
cant go no where w/o hearing jeezy...
BUT..
jeezy cant drop an album
and t.i. sellin 800,000 and got 30 minute playlists in the club
from a jail cell.
jeezy influenced hoods..
t.i. influenced some of everything....
georgia boi;2289878 said:I like both Jeezy and T.I., but to say Jeezy's influence on Southern Hip Hop is larger than T.I.'s is reaching. It's like saying Nas's influence on mafiosos rap was greater than Rae and them. Sure Nas was selling more records with that style of rap than Raekwon was, but people know that he borrowed from Rae in the same manner that Jeezy borrowed from T.I. Besides, T.I.'s influence extends beyond just Trap Muzik. DJ Toomp and T.I. created a signature sound together much different from the music Toomp did before. After T.I. and Toomp blew up w/ "What You Know' everybody from Kanye to Jeezy to Jay Z to Nas to The Game had a Toomp beat. T.I.'s a sought after ghostwriter writing for Dre, Diddy and Bow Wow. Before "Live Your Life", rappers weren't checking for Rihanna on a chorus or they couldn't clear one. "Live Your Life" became a number one hit and Jay, Eminem, and Kanye feature her on their singles. Sure she's had rappers on her albums, but big name rappers weren't featuring her on their singles.
buttuh_b;2289928 said:Come on doggy don't try to front like Jay hadn't already worked with Rihanna before. He's the one who fuckin signed her dude. Kanye had been tight with her before that... yeah, Tip might have got Toomp hot but Jeezy got Shawty Redd and Drumma Boy and that whole signature trap sound you hear Lex Luger and them all over Gucci and Flocka mixtapes.. that whole shit came from Jeezy.
The Nas Raekwon analogy ain't good because Jeezy would be Rae and T.I. would be Nas because he sells more records and Rae appealed straight to the hood... Rae had a bigger influence on the mafia sound just like Jeezy had a bigger influence on the trap sound while Nas and T.I. were more successful in the mainstream because of non-mafioso/trap songs like If I Rule The World and Why You Wanna..
