21yo Dylann Roof walks into a Black church and, reportedly, 9 people dead at AME Church S.C(caught)

[black caesar]

Here's a documentary on Denmark Vesey

A Slave's Rebellion... the Denmark Vesey Story:

 

[ShencotheMC]

I'm usually positive but...

Headshot cracka, fuck yo vest

 

[silverfoxx]

Damn man this hurts.

 

[leftcoastkev]

you personally, you......you can love a white person, and a white person absolutely can love you....not your people, i'm talking about you personally...that relationship can exist in this world......that may not be the bigger picture everyone wants to focus on, but it is a picture that needs to be acknowledged before we all allow hate to completely take us over

No disrespect intended. I'm not trying to "ether" you or fish for IC reactions with this.

It may not seem like it, but on several levels, that is the picture that keeps us divided through ingrained behavior. That is the picture that perpetuates that darker skin stays demonized and stigmatized against. It allows the pathway for it.

Black people in America have historically been put down by whites, our recognized (false) beginnings in this country are as us slaves and them our masters. Not even touching on the damaging effects on us...but can you imagine the entitled effects that had on the white children of that time and the attitudes they've perpetuated throughout the past few generations to their children...it's no wonder that collectively we're viewed as sub-human.

Historically, (collectively, not all) in this country after slavery blacks wanted to integrate with whites. To seek equal treatment. At the same time, tell our kids to work harder than them just to be able to compete with them for an equal share. For the most part, we tell our kids to do everything possible in order to gain their respect (e.g., get a degree from "a good school") in order to be able to obtain resources from their infrastructure. They set the bar for most of us that aren't entrepreneurs or ambitious enough to figure out ways to success without their infrastructure.

We (collectively) have always spent energy trying to prove that we're good enough. We become "successful", then move to neighborhoods where they are the majority. Our collective view of success is achieving the standards of success they've set.

If you believe they love you, but not your people.....it's because they don't see your people as human to begin with. They don't have to have respect for your mother, father, sister, or brother. You make them feel a certain way....and vice versa. They never bothered acknowledging it until they spent more time around you. It's up to you how you play it. If you believe that this exhalts you somehow that this makes you better and more esteemed, then it perpetuates the stereotype that whiteness (or being associated with it) is an upgrade. That divides black people. If you see it for what it is, you can be cordial but always know that that "love" holds no weight for your loved ones. Again, I'm not saying YOU specifically do this, but it's too many black people who see it as an upgrade and exaltation that they (the individual black) are better, they integrate in, take their resources to them, and turn around defend them and look down on other blacks. They perpetuate the division. Everybody ain't walking around with healthy self esteems enough to shake off the damage so the lesser absorb it and get swallowed up in the bs in various ways (psychological, jail, etc) from traps set to keep actual racism alive and the black race behind.

You don't have to outwardly hate, or invest energy in hate to the point it makes you negative and bitter. I don't move through the world outwardly demonstrating malicious hate but I stay prepared and out of the way as much as possible as I have little desire to be involved with them on a personal level. I just see the world for what it is and move through it accordingly to what's best for my mental, physical, and economic health....which may even come to doing things that are deemed negative.

that was my attempt to personalize the argument because making it too broad it's easier to generalize.....

i do nothing nor do i encourage anyone to do anything extra for white approval or acceptance.....

i am me, as i've said earlier i am a proud black man, and have grown up and probably up until college have always been in predominately black environment...and even when in college and forward in life, i've always surrounded my self with my own people....so i'm not one of those people who go out and try to associate myself with whites....

however, i have always judged every white person who's come into my life on an individual basis, i never aggressively avoided or was confrontational to a white person simply because they white.....if u was cool, u could kick it....i never really cared much about it...and that was my point...while there may be those who don't kick it all with any whites at all.. there are many of us who have white friends or acquaintances, and those personal relationships we have stand to prove that it's not always this extreme us against them mentality...

never denying or saying racism, and social constructs aren't in place to divide us....on a one on one personal basis, we can all attest to several personal relationships we have in our lives that exist in contrary to this theory that all white people hate all black people that some would have us believe....it jsut simply isn't true....

there are in fact many whites who hate blacks and vice versa.....that does exist, but all, is a strong word.....cal them exceptions to the rule or whatever you want to call them....the word all and every does not apply. and we must embrace the love or bonds that we have with any and every person who we come in contact with in our lives....

hate may have proven to spread more effectively today than love, but we cannot stop spreading love just because it's become more difficult....i'm not going to sit here and destroy personal relationships because of the actions of someone who of the same race....jsut because they were white....

because if that was true of my character, then i would have to be consistent and cut off all black people because of the actions of someone of that same race....

and i'm not going to do that... because i cannot allow the hate of those who are not in direct contact with me, ruin the love of those who are in direct contact with me

I get where you're coming from. If you see that as the path to being to the best you that you can be for you and your loved ones, then keep staying true to that. Stay positive.

 

[MasterJayN100]

I'm usually positive but...

Headshot cracka, fuck yo vest

a vest to protect him?wtf they dont put on vests to protect black suspects

 

[stringer bell]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/06/18/charleston-shooting-confederate-flag_n_7613870.html

The Confederate Flag Isn't Budging From South Carolina's Capitol -- Because It's Protected Under State Law

The morning after nine people were shot to death Wednesday inside a historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina, flowers were laid, black cloth was draped and flags at the state's Capitol building were lowered to half-staff.

Except one.

The fact that the Confederate flag was waving high in the state capital of Columbia hours after suspected gunman Dylann Roof carried out what's believed to be a racially motivated attack sparked outrage.

"It's up there," Will Whitson, a Columbia-based state reporter for Raycom Media, told The Huffington Post Thursday afternoon. "One thing is, I don’t think the flag is on a pulley -- so even if they wanted to put it at half-staff, they couldn’t. And to remove it from the grounds would require a legislative vote."

A large Confederate flag used to fly over the Capitol dome, along with the American flag and the South Carolina flag, but was removed in 2000. However, a smaller version of the flag still flies on statehouse grounds, next to the Confederate Soldier's Monument.

The flag is held in place by a padlock, State Sen. Vincent Sheheen (D) said.

Twitter users Thursday urged people to call Gov. Nikki Haley (R) and demand the flag be removed. By law, however, the flag can't be moved.

The Confederate flag's presence on the statehouse grounds remains legally protected under the 2000 South Carolina Heritage Act, which also stipulates that streets, parks and other public areas named for historical figures may not be renamed without a two-thirds vote from the state General Assembly.

"I think there is a divide about people's perceptions and understanding of what a Confederate battle flag is," Sheheen told HuffPost. "To some people, it truly is about heritage. To others, it is about racial oppression. To me, regardless of which understanding you have about it, it’s still something that divides us."

He said "there are good people on both sides of the issue," adding that the debate about the flag should not be about declaring a right and wrong side but rather about finding a way to unify a state with a "raw history of racism."

"I don’t say 'get rid of [the flag],' because it is a part of our history. But do you want to fly a symbol that’s divisive on our front steps of the state house?" Sheheen said. "Let’s put it in a place where we can tell its story, and thousands of people can see it in a more appropriate place."

Sheheen has been calling for the flag's removal since last year, though Charleston newspaper The State notes challenging the flag is a politically poisonous move.

"If you touch it, you usually die politically," Scott Buchanan, a political science professor at The Citadel, told Charleston newspaper The State in 2014 about the risk of broaching the flag removal question. Sheheen, who made the flag's removal a key part of his gubernatorial campaign, lost to Haley in 2014.

Among the reasons Haley gave to keep the flag on statehouse grounds was that it hasn't hurt South Carolina's ability to attract or retain business.

"What I can tell you is over the last three and a half years, I spent a lot of my days on the phones with CEOs and recruiting jobs to this state," Haley said during a 2014 debate. "I can honestly say I have not had one conversation with a single CEO about the Confederate flag."

Thursday morning, several lawmakers reportedly removed another controversial flag they used to decorate their desks. They took down their Gadsden flags -- which portrays a coiled snake and a "Don't Tread On Me" slogan that some view as a pro-Confederacy symbol -- from their statehouse desks out of respect for Rev. State Sen. Clementa Pinckney, who was among the victims of the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church shooting.

 

[willywanker]

man you brothers need to focus...this aint bout no back to Africa or separatist movement...its about a white boy walking in and killing 9 black church goers

i'm on the verge of a mental break down bruh....

this is all just too much

You're not alone, Du. I've been feeling like that since Kalief Browder died. I just wanna shoot somebody.

And it dont help that Im armed.

You be careful now, only shoot in self defence and turn off the news for some peace of mind, get your head together and try to see the world in a more positive light, yes things can get fucked up but things can also be good @obnoxiouslyfresh

R.I.P to all killed, shit is messed up.

 

[blackamerica]

I'm usually positive but...

Headshot cracka, fuck yo vest

 

[stringer bell]

John Mullins, who went to high school with Roof, told The Daily Beast that he remembers him as being “kind of wild” but wasn’t considered an outcast. Mullins said that he had a reputation for making racist statements and had “that kind of Southern pride, I guess some would say — strong conservative beliefs. He made a lot of racist jokes, but you don’t really take them seriously like that. You don’t really think of it like that.”

 

[silverfoxx]

Sometimes I prefer to just be oblivious to this shit. Ingorant is truly bliss, because reality is wicked.

I'm going to pray for their family, my family, and for ALL folks blacks and whites. This shit needs need to stop and violence and war is never the solution in my eyes. Humanity should overrule, to all my black brothers and sisters ready to fight, I'll be praying for you with a bruised and beaten heart. Love first y'all.

 

[jono]

Haley gave to keep the flag on statehouse grounds was that it hasn't hurt South Carolina's ability to attract or retain business.

This is where their loyalties lie. That is what matters to her, this is why her tears on this are disingenuous, this is also why racists feel emboldened to commit these acts.

And people really want to know why the south is a backwards region of the country?

 

[stringer bell]

http://twitter.com/CynthiaRoldan/status/611581582638514176/photo/1

 

[stringer bell]

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/dylann-roof-plan-charleston-shooting

Roommate Says Charleston Suspect Planned Shooting For 6 Months

The roommate of the white, 21-year old man who allegedly massacred nine people at a historic black church in Charleston, South Carolina said Thursday that he thought the suspect had been planning the attack for about six months.

Dalton Tyler told ABC News that he'd known Dylann Storm Roof for about seven months to a year. Tyler told the news outlet that he last saw Roof about a week ago and knew he'd been planning something like the Charleston church attack "for six months."

“He was big into segregation and other stuff,” Tyler told ABC News. “He said he wanted to start a civil war. He said he was going to do something like that and then kill himself.”

Tyler described Roof as "on and off" with his parents, according to ABC News. Members of Roof's immediate family have not given extensive comment on his alleged crime.

A woman who on Thursday answered a cellphone belonging to Roof's mother, Amelia, told Reuters "We will be doing no interviews ever."

 

[Masterfultech]

This was a calculated move... and they even apprehended him in a bullet proof vest looking none the worse for wear. He got away happy as hell for hours; I can't see this happening to anyone but for a white person. And yet we get pathetic ass white supremacist apologist talking about mental sickness and any other excuse they want to find to turn their eyes away from what's in front of us... R.I.P to those who lost their lives praying.

 

[Mister B.]

You know what? Fuck all this shit. There's only ONE question left anyone needs to know about this mafucka....

OR

Fuck letting him live in prison, only to find a safe haven with some Aryan prison gang.

He's in South Carolina. He can still fry, and I personally vote that we spark this bowl-cutted, racist piece of dog shit up like a X-Mas tree, no sponge, Green Mile style.

 

[black caesar]

Sometimes I prefer to just be oblivious to this shit. Ingorant is truly bliss, because reality is wicked.

I'm going to pray for their family, my family, and for ALL folks blacks and whites. This shit needs need to stop and violence and war is never the solution in my eyes. Humanity should overrule, to all my black brothers and sisters ready to fight, I'll be praying for you with a bruised and beaten heart. Love first y'all.

Unfortunately, Morpheus isn't going to give us the option to pick the red pull or the blue pill.

As for the war statement, the white supremacist system declared war on us a while ago.

 

[aneed123]

Rip to those killed. Shit fucked my whole day up. The type of evil to do that to innocent folk in church? Prayers to their families

 

[blackamerica]

The Daily Mail which is such a right-wing pice of shit 'news'paper, is really emphasising that this guy was a racist and it was a hate crime. Every title on this tragedy always includes "racist" or "race-hate". I'm surprised.

It's so disgusting that MSM are even entertaining any other motive; the terrorist himself admitted it was a hate crime, and yet some of these anchors/journalists are trying to make it something it's not.

Racism is no fucking joke.

One COON azz pastor on Fox just said "black ppl need to stop jumping to conclusions about race" when speaking about this shooting. Now this is what irks me. When the killer looks like a Muslim or black, they do over the top analysis on the guy and make sure every black or Muslims pays for this one killers action. Its "the black community needs to raise their kids" type shit. But now that the gunman looks like fuckin Opie Taylor, they make no mention about race and quickly say its a war on Christianity. Completely dismissing that Opie told them he "had to kill us for raping their women". Do mf's not see this shit???????

 

[stringer bell]

https://twitter.com/ac360/status/611636975762735104

 

[stringer bell]

https://twitter.com/bipartisanism/status/611646724830945281