10 empires that came close to world domination

[zzombie]

Thinking skills are very important

After the death of the second great Khan there was no mongol empire there were empires controlled by different sets of mongols.

So to say that there was a "mongol empire" in the strictest sense is wrong because there was no one central authority. There existed mongol governments but not A mongol government

Kublai Khan consolidated the empire in 1264, defeating his relatives and other rivals. I have no problem admitting after Kublai Khan's death, the empire more or less fell apart.
https://www.quora.com/What-happened-to-the-Mongol-Empire-after-Genghis-Khan

With the death of Mongke, civil war ensued among his sons and nephews. Kublai Khan, son of Mongke, came out victorious and gained domination over the Mongol empire in 1264. He consolidated his empire in eastern china and tried invading south east Asia but was not very successful in it. Russia was annexed and there were gains in the middle east.



Kublai died in 1294. With his death the Mongol empire disintegrated into four states and started to decline.

Kublai khan only ruled in asia and had very little influence with the golden horde and the IIkhanate with the latter he had some influence but no real direct rule especially after his brother died. With the former he had direct war so there was no consolidation of the mongol empire

 

[kingblaze84]

So all that only to admit you were wrong. But I'm the Internet amateur smh

How am I wrong? Historians still consider the Mongolian Empire, an empire lol....Kublai Khan consolidated most of the empire under one rule, and even though various Khans still had feuds, MOST of the empire was under control of one man under his rule. I said from the beginning the Mongolian Empire was a legit one, while you were saying all sorts of gibberish before that historians would laugh at.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kublai_Khan

In 1271, Kublai established the Yuan dynasty, which ruled over present-day Mongolia, China, Korea, and some adjacent areas, and assumed the role of Emperor of China. By 1279, the Yuan forces had overcome the last resistance of the Southern Song dynasty, and Kublai became the first non-native Emperor to conquer all of China.

 

[The_Jackal]

Lol your just willful stupid and any historian who agrees is a pretentious idiot I just complete broke down why it's not and you just literally agreed it collapse. Pick up a book for once and stop being a follower. But don't worry I'll get the masters soon so in your devoted state of listening to everything your told you'll be forced to agree.

I also dont understand how everyone else understood exactly what I said but to you only its gibberish.

 

[The_Jackal]

It's funny especially since you don't know what you are talking about and rely on Google for wrong information by unknown sources while I read academic bools by revered scholars

 

[zzombie]

So all that only to admit you were wrong. But I'm the Internet amateur smh

How am I wrong? Historians still consider the Mongolian Empire, an empire lol....Kublai Khan consolidated most of the empire under one rule, and even though various Khans still had feuds, MOST of the empire was under control of one man under his rule. I said from the beginning the Mongolian Empire was a legit one, while you were saying all sorts of gibberish before that historians would laugh at.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kublai_Khan

In 1271, Kublai established the Yuan dynasty, which ruled over present-day Mongolia, China, Korea, and some adjacent areas, and assumed the role of Emperor of China. By 1279, the Yuan forces had overcome the last resistance of the Southern Song dynasty, and Kublai became the first non-native Emperor to conquer all of China.

This only proves that the mongols under kublai were the rulers of asia not that there was consolidation of the mongol empire.

 

[Ajackson17]

You forgotten they had control of a huge chunk of western asia, Russia and other slavic nations. They were fucking vast, but Kublai Khan had control of only Eastern Asia.

 

[kingblaze84]

Lol your just willful stupid and any historian who agrees is a pretentious idiot I just complete broke down why it's not and you just literally agreed it collapse. Pick up a book for once and stop being a follower. But don't worry I'll get the masters soon so in your devoted state of listening to everything your told you'll be forced to agree.

I also dont understand how everyone else understood exactly what I said but to you only its gibberish.

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Second-L...UTF8&qid=1454977150&sr=8-2&keywords=mongolian+empire

The Rise and Fall of the Second Largest Empire in History: How Genghis Khan's Mongols Almost Conquered the World

--Read the book and learn why historians after many centuries still consider the Mongolian Empire, an empire. You have a lot of learning to do my son.

 

[The_Jackal]

Lol your just willful stupid and any historian who agrees is a pretentious idiot I just complete broke down why it's not and you just literally agreed it collapse. Pick up a book for once and stop being a follower. But don't worry I'll get the masters soon so in your devoted state of listening to everything your told you'll be forced to agree.

I also dont understand how everyone else understood exactly what I said but to you only its gibberish.

http://www.amazon.com/Rise-Second-L...UTF8&qid=1454977150&sr=8-2&keywords=mongolian+empire

The Rise and Fall of the Second Largest Empire in History: How Genghis Khan's Mongols Almost Conquered the World

--Read the book and learn why historians after many centuries still consider the Mongolian Empire, an empire. You have a lot of learning to do my son.

You haven't read that book. You don't know the definition of an empire. You are a psudeo intellectuals. You just said the empire collapse and now going back on what you said. Educate yourself before you speak nonsense again

 

[The_Jackal]

It's honestly pathetic how you backtracked on admitting you are wrong and now quoting a book you have no knowledge of haven't even read a page of to win a arguement. You don't even know if it's a reliable source or not. I actually talk to the people who study history and are at the forefront. Your a phony intellectual who best friend is Google lol.

 

[kingblaze84]

You forgotten they had control of a huge chunk of western asia, Russia and other slavic nations. They were fucking vast, but Kublai Khan had control of only Eastern Asia.

It's not called the Kublai Khan empire or even the Genghis Khan empire, notice historians refer to it as the MONGOLIAN EMPIRE. The empire was founded by Genghis, and continued on through his sons and ancestors. Yes Kublai didn't have TOTAL control of the empire, but Genghis Khan's relatives and associates controlled the parts you mentioned.

The Khans had their feuds, but they all claimed to be doing the will of Genghis Khan. This is why historians from Asia to the Americas call the Mongolian Empire, an empire. Colleges and historians around the world would laugh at all the amateur talk going on around here.

 

[kingblaze84]

It's honestly pathetic how you backtracked on admitting you are wrong and now quoting a book you have no knowledge of haven't even read a page of to win a arguement. You don't even know if it's a reliable source or not. I actually talk to the people who study history and are at the forefront. Your a phony intellectual who best friend is Google lol.

Lol, and historians continue to say the Mongol Empire was the 2nd largest of all time. But anyway.....

Did Kublai Khan have an empire in Asia? Yes or no? Remember now, he had full control of China, Mongolia, and Korea, along with some other areas. Let's see if we can at least agree on that.

 

[kingblaze84]

So all that only to admit you were wrong. But I'm the Internet amateur smh

How am I wrong? Historians still consider the Mongolian Empire, an empire lol....Kublai Khan consolidated most of the empire under one rule, and even though various Khans still had feuds, MOST of the empire was under control of one man under his rule. I said from the beginning the Mongolian Empire was a legit one, while you were saying all sorts of gibberish before that historians would laugh at.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kublai_Khan

In 1271, Kublai established the Yuan dynasty, which ruled over present-day Mongolia, China, Korea, and some adjacent areas, and assumed the role of Emperor of China. By 1279, the Yuan forces had overcome the last resistance of the Southern Song dynasty, and Kublai became the first non-native Emperor to conquer all of China.

This only proves that the mongols under kublai were the rulers of asia not that there was consolidation of the mongol empire.

Let's leave the Golden Horde and the other Khanates out of this for a second and just mention Kublai Khan.....

Is it fair to say Kublai Khan had his own empire when he had Mongolia, Korea, and all of China?

 

[zzombie]

You forgotten they had control of a huge chunk of western asia, Russia and other slavic nations. They were fucking vast, but Kublai Khan had control of only Eastern Asia.

It's not called the Kublai Khan empire or even the Genghis Khan empire, notice historians refer to it as the MONGOLIAN EMPIRE. The empire was founded by Genghis, and continued on through his sons and ancestors. Yes Kublai didn't have TOTAL control of the empire, but Genghis Khan's relatives and associates controlled the parts you mentioned.

The Khans had their feuds, but they all claimed to be doing the will of Genghis Khan. This is why historians from Asia to the Americas call the Mongolian Empire, an empire. Colleges and historians around the world would laugh at all the amateur talk going on around here.

It's a misnomer and simplification for lay people or the uneducated.

 

[The_Jackal]

You don't know what your talking about. Even if they claimed to be all doing his will if they are fueding and not unified it's not an empire. FACT. By definition it's not an empire. It's really sad how wrong youbare. I acknowledge that Genghis had an empire. After genhis kublqi had control but was still contested. If you actual read and have knowledge on the subject Mayan rebellion among other(Wikipedia it since you have no knowledge on it lol)

After that there was no united empire.

Your almost as uneducated as your are arrogant and wrong

 

[The_Jackal]

See you have nothing to say about you admitting that the after his death there was no empire. Most likely saw conflicting Google articles right lol. I know you don't actually know about the subject yet act like you do.

 

[kingblaze84]

You forgotten they had control of a huge chunk of western asia, Russia and other slavic nations. They were fucking vast, but Kublai Khan had control of only Eastern Asia.

It's not called the Kublai Khan empire or even the Genghis Khan empire, notice historians refer to it as the MONGOLIAN EMPIRE. The empire was founded by Genghis, and continued on through his sons and ancestors. Yes Kublai didn't have TOTAL control of the empire, but Genghis Khan's relatives and associates controlled the parts you mentioned.

The Khans had their feuds, but they all claimed to be doing the will of Genghis Khan. This is why historians from Asia to the Americas call the Mongolian Empire, an empire. Colleges and historians around the world would laugh at all the amateur talk going on around here.

It's a misnomer and simplification for lay people or the uneducated.

Nonetheless, it's fair to say Kublai Khan had a very impressive empire in his hands, one he inherited from Genghis Khan. Genghis Khan helped birth several dynasties that changed the world, whether unified or not.

Few families in history have created as many military and political dynasties as Genghis Khan and his ancestors have.

 

[The_Jackal]

I don't get what you don't understand I say after Genghis but I'll give and say after kublai there was no empire. No unification no empire

 

[The_Jackal]

You forgotten they had control of a huge chunk of western asia, Russia and other slavic nations. They were fucking vast, but Kublai Khan had control of only Eastern Asia.

It's not called the Kublai Khan empire or even the Genghis Khan empire, notice historians refer to it as the MONGOLIAN EMPIRE. The empire was founded by Genghis, and continued on through his sons and ancestors. Yes Kublai didn't have TOTAL control of the empire, but Genghis Khan's relatives and associates controlled the parts you mentioned.

The Khans had their feuds, but they all claimed to be doing the will of Genghis Khan. This is why historians from Asia to the Americas call the Mongolian Empire, an empire. Colleges and historians around the world would laugh at all the amateur talk going on around here.

It's a misnomer and simplification for lay people or the uneducated.

Nonetheless, it's fair to say Kublai Khan had a very impressive empire in his hands, one he inherited from Genghis Khan. Genghis Khan helped birth several dynasties that changed the world, whether unified or not.

Few families in history have created as many military and political dynasties as Genghis Khan and his ancestors have.

Still doesn't change the fact it wasn't a empire. Nobody saying they weren't influential just wasn't an empire.

 

[reapin505]

Bout to gave my bachelor in early western civilizations so get that amateur shot out here

You trying to be a professor or something? What would be the job prospects besides teaching with a degree in that?

 

[The_Jackal]

Bout to gave my bachelor in early western civilizations so get that amateur shot out here

You trying to be a professor or something? What would be the job prospects besides teaching with a degree in that?

That's what I plan on doing. Right now in jersey I'm a licensed gun dealer, currently in the army hoping to get a deployment and make a little bit on the side with amateur boxing. When I'm in the later years of my life (24 now) I just want a peaceful quiet life.

But there are alot of other prospects if you get enough acclaim guest speaking, if you are a well thought out writer can make multimillion on book deals, can work at some of the most prestigious museums. There is alot of work out there and I love the early civilization history and planning on getting a master's in philosophy and literature. Army pays for it all so why not