grumpy_new_yorker
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not really feeling it. the album was way over produced. shit felt like a broadway play album at times.
maybe it will grow on me like 8 diagrams.
maybe it will grow on me like 8 diagrams.
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The Lonious Monk
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This album is like 8D in the sense that I think that most of the criticisms are true. Like when people say it's overproduced, I can absolutely see where they are coming from, and in some cases agree. This is one of those albums where it really just depends on your tastes. I listened to the whole group catalog today, and I have to say it's a really nice transition. Of course the earlier work is better, but I like the way they grew and changed. I like this album, but only because I accepted going in that it wouldn't be anything like what I was hoping it would be. If I hadn't done that, I'd probably be disappointed too.
lol My friend from ATL had to go to Macon for a while. He had a culture shock when he went there, but it didn't change the fact that he was still in GA.
Stew;7588836 said:
lol My friend from ATL had to go to Macon for a while. He had a culture shock when he went there, but it didn't change the fact that he was still in GA.
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I really like the album. I like older artists transitioning to live instruments and injecting substance into their music. Rehashing the same sounds and subject matter is a no no for me when it comes to seasoned artists.
Wu has so much material available if, I want to hear grimey, wild out Wu it's nothing but a fingertip away.
On another note. I like how RZA is setting up Wu to able to tour for years to come. I can see their stage show being either DJ driven or backed by a live band.
Oh yeah. Cappadonna is ILL!!!!
Wu has so much material available if, I want to hear grimey, wild out Wu it's nothing but a fingertip away.
On another note. I like how RZA is setting up Wu to able to tour for years to come. I can see their stage show being either DJ driven or backed by a live band.
Oh yeah. Cappadonna is ILL!!!!
smh damn smh why can't i get that wu forever sounding lp meth did him on every joint he on as expected but these beats are trash man wth granted i've heard worse but man this not how i wanted to hear them make a comeback. might just edit everyone out and keep meth rae and ghost verses
onetoughmiracle
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Just bought it and I like what I'm hearing so far
Listencloser
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Miracle is one amazing track.
Lou Cypher
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First listen. Its alright. Not the epic goodbye i was hoping for. The Chemistry feels off. U God had some dope verses i was surprised at that haha.
Beats arent great. I cant recall hearing one that really stood out to me.
Beats arent great. I cant recall hearing one that really stood out to me.
The Lonious Monk
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qawshun;7592506 said:
lol See to some degree you're preventing yourself from liking the album. I feel you. I was listening to Wu Forever the other day and thinking "Damn these dudes were dope back in the day." But this album was never supposed to have that sound. You have to take it for what it is. You still might not like it. That's possible, but you definitely won't like it if you're expecting that sound from the past because it's flat out different.
I don't really see why people think the beats are trash though. They are different and some of them are a bit odd, but others are nice. Necklace could probably fit on any Wu album well. And despite the wack choruses, Keep Watch and Ron O'neal have nice beats.
The Lonious Monk
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Listencloser;7593610 said:
I think this too. To everyone who has heard the album, take away the chorus because I can see why some think that's wack, ya'll really think Miracle isn't a great track? The beat and they lyrics are on point. It's about as epic a track as you get in Hip Hop. That said, the chorus does fuck it up a little.
Listencloser
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The Lonious Monk;7594092 said:
The beat drop and chorus is some deep shit. If anything I'll have this track on repeat all day.
The Lonious Monk
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Alright, I've listened to it enough to give a track by track.
Ruckus in B Minor - When I first heard the track, I thought it was too chaotic and all over the place. However, it has really grown on me, and now some of the things I thought were odd about the track before seem like great additions. 8/10
Felt - This is a good track, one that any Wu fan should be able to feel to some degree. The beat, concept, and lyrics are all strong. 9/10
We Will Fight - This track at first listen comes off as being weird and out of place on a Wu album. It's another one that grew on me though. I wouldn't say it's a great track, but I like it. 7/10
Mistaken Identity - The first song showcasing Rza's weird obsession with putting unecessary singing on the album. It's not as egregious on this track as some others though. The track has a nice concept and the MCs come correct on it. Overall, it's a good track. 7.5/10
Hold the Heater - The track is meh. I would't say it's bad, but it's not particularly good. It's a filler track more or less. 6/10
Crushed Egos - The beat is ok. Nothing exceptional, but it's not horrible either. Rae comes correct and Rza is alright. At least they used a classic Wu style chorus not some crazy singing. It could have been better with a nicer beat. 6.5/10
Keep Watch - I'm torn on this track. The beat is nice. It's a simple sample loop and therefore closer to Rza's classic style, and the MCs kill it. That said, the hook sucks ass. I don't know why Rza thought hooks like this would be a good addition to the album, but whatever. One aspect of a track shouldn't hurt it so bad, but it does. 7/10
Miracle - I think you can sum up everyone's feelings about this album with the general feelings about this song. The hook is weird as hell and just seems out of place on a Wu album. I kinda like how it was implemented, but it is still out of place. The beat is different than the norm, but it is actually very good when given a chance and fits. The MCs come correct, but it is basically just a few niggas rapping on a beat, it lacks that cohesion and cooperation between the rappers that you hear on other great Wu tracks. I really like the song, but I feel like it the same way I feel about the album as a whole. It's good, but some people will hate it and I understand why they hate it. 8/10
Preacher's Daughter - I like this song too. Some will feel it's overproduced and I can see why they say that. I still think the beat is nice though. The MCs kill it again, and the concept is cool. Once again, the hook sucks, but it isn't used that much, so it doesn't hurt the song too much. 7.5/10
Pioneer the Frontier - I'm torn about this track too. I feel like I should like it more than I actually do. Nothing is horrible about it, and the beat is closer to that classic style than some of the others. It's ok. I can vibe to it, but it's nothing special to me. 6.5/10
Necklace - Now this is some classic Wu shit. You could put this on any Wu album and it would fit well. Strong beat, strong verses, good concept, and a Kung Fu sample instead of a hook. Why can't we just get an album like this song? Who wouldn't be happy with it? 9/10
Ron O'Neal - I like this track. The beat is different from standard Wu stuff, but it's ok. The lyrics are nice. The hook, like many on this album, is wack. 7/10
A Better Tomorrow - This track is really good. I think it's the best example of what Rza was going for with this album. It shows growth and is what I'd consider "Grown Man Hip Hop." I don't think he executed that vision as well in the rest of the album as he did in this song, but at least you can see what he wanted to do. 8/10
Never Let Go - The song is pretty good. It's nothing exceptional. The beat again isn't really a standard Wu beat, more of the newer live instrumentation sound Rza was going for. Still, the verses are good. The concept is good. 7/10
Wu-Tang Reunion - I didn't like this song when I first heard as Family Reunion a while back. It's not bad, but it's definitely filler. I guess it's ok as an outro track, but honestly it would have been smarter to leave this track off the album and close with "A Better Tomorrow." 6/10
Overall Score (Not an average) - 7.5/10
It's a good album. I feel like I and many others would look more favorably on it if this was a Rza solo and not a Wu album. The fact is most Wu fans have certain expectations for what we want from a Wu album. Necklace is an example of something closer to what we want. They show they can still make songs like that and shine on them, so why can't we get an album like that? I appreciate Rza's desire to experiment and innovate, and I like a lot of what he did. However, you can tell this album represents his vision and only his vision, so wouldn't that mean it would be better suited to be his album? People say the Wu fell off, but if you really listen to the album, you'd know that's bullshit. When you say someone fell off, you're saying they can't do something well anymore. If you actually listen to the album, there is no way you can say that the Wu as MCs "don't have it" anymore. Everyone kills it as usual, and people like U-God and Masta have probably given their best performances of any Wu album. It's not like Rza can't produce anymore. He just decided to go in a different direction with his beat making. Everybody won't like it, and that's fair. What he did isn't bad, but it probably isn't what anyone expected and isn't what a lot of people wanted. As a result, this is another album in the vein of 8 Diagrams. Some people will love it, and some people will hate it. It's not a matter of quality. It's a matter of style. I like it, but I still feel like if they were going to give us a Wu album, they should have given us the Wu style we all wanted and we know they can still do.
Ruckus in B Minor - When I first heard the track, I thought it was too chaotic and all over the place. However, it has really grown on me, and now some of the things I thought were odd about the track before seem like great additions. 8/10
Felt - This is a good track, one that any Wu fan should be able to feel to some degree. The beat, concept, and lyrics are all strong. 9/10
We Will Fight - This track at first listen comes off as being weird and out of place on a Wu album. It's another one that grew on me though. I wouldn't say it's a great track, but I like it. 7/10
Mistaken Identity - The first song showcasing Rza's weird obsession with putting unecessary singing on the album. It's not as egregious on this track as some others though. The track has a nice concept and the MCs come correct on it. Overall, it's a good track. 7.5/10
Hold the Heater - The track is meh. I would't say it's bad, but it's not particularly good. It's a filler track more or less. 6/10
Crushed Egos - The beat is ok. Nothing exceptional, but it's not horrible either. Rae comes correct and Rza is alright. At least they used a classic Wu style chorus not some crazy singing. It could have been better with a nicer beat. 6.5/10
Keep Watch - I'm torn on this track. The beat is nice. It's a simple sample loop and therefore closer to Rza's classic style, and the MCs kill it. That said, the hook sucks ass. I don't know why Rza thought hooks like this would be a good addition to the album, but whatever. One aspect of a track shouldn't hurt it so bad, but it does. 7/10
Miracle - I think you can sum up everyone's feelings about this album with the general feelings about this song. The hook is weird as hell and just seems out of place on a Wu album. I kinda like how it was implemented, but it is still out of place. The beat is different than the norm, but it is actually very good when given a chance and fits. The MCs come correct, but it is basically just a few niggas rapping on a beat, it lacks that cohesion and cooperation between the rappers that you hear on other great Wu tracks. I really like the song, but I feel like it the same way I feel about the album as a whole. It's good, but some people will hate it and I understand why they hate it. 8/10
Preacher's Daughter - I like this song too. Some will feel it's overproduced and I can see why they say that. I still think the beat is nice though. The MCs kill it again, and the concept is cool. Once again, the hook sucks, but it isn't used that much, so it doesn't hurt the song too much. 7.5/10
Pioneer the Frontier - I'm torn about this track too. I feel like I should like it more than I actually do. Nothing is horrible about it, and the beat is closer to that classic style than some of the others. It's ok. I can vibe to it, but it's nothing special to me. 6.5/10
Necklace - Now this is some classic Wu shit. You could put this on any Wu album and it would fit well. Strong beat, strong verses, good concept, and a Kung Fu sample instead of a hook. Why can't we just get an album like this song? Who wouldn't be happy with it? 9/10
Ron O'Neal - I like this track. The beat is different from standard Wu stuff, but it's ok. The lyrics are nice. The hook, like many on this album, is wack. 7/10
A Better Tomorrow - This track is really good. I think it's the best example of what Rza was going for with this album. It shows growth and is what I'd consider "Grown Man Hip Hop." I don't think he executed that vision as well in the rest of the album as he did in this song, but at least you can see what he wanted to do. 8/10
Never Let Go - The song is pretty good. It's nothing exceptional. The beat again isn't really a standard Wu beat, more of the newer live instrumentation sound Rza was going for. Still, the verses are good. The concept is good. 7/10
Wu-Tang Reunion - I didn't like this song when I first heard as Family Reunion a while back. It's not bad, but it's definitely filler. I guess it's ok as an outro track, but honestly it would have been smarter to leave this track off the album and close with "A Better Tomorrow." 6/10
Overall Score (Not an average) - 7.5/10
It's a good album. I feel like I and many others would look more favorably on it if this was a Rza solo and not a Wu album. The fact is most Wu fans have certain expectations for what we want from a Wu album. Necklace is an example of something closer to what we want. They show they can still make songs like that and shine on them, so why can't we get an album like that? I appreciate Rza's desire to experiment and innovate, and I like a lot of what he did. However, you can tell this album represents his vision and only his vision, so wouldn't that mean it would be better suited to be his album? People say the Wu fell off, but if you really listen to the album, you'd know that's bullshit. When you say someone fell off, you're saying they can't do something well anymore. If you actually listen to the album, there is no way you can say that the Wu as MCs "don't have it" anymore. Everyone kills it as usual, and people like U-God and Masta have probably given their best performances of any Wu album. It's not like Rza can't produce anymore. He just decided to go in a different direction with his beat making. Everybody won't like it, and that's fair. What he did isn't bad, but it probably isn't what anyone expected and isn't what a lot of people wanted. As a result, this is another album in the vein of 8 Diagrams. Some people will love it, and some people will hate it. It's not a matter of quality. It's a matter of style. I like it, but I still feel like if they were going to give us a Wu album, they should have given us the Wu style we all wanted and we know they can still do.
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The Lonious Monk
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I think Meth and Rae were the best. Like others said, Meth was pretty flawless. Rae was only in five songs, but dude's verses were bananas. His verse on Miracle was sick. I was most impressed with Masta though. He's shown the most improvement out of anyone.
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