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Turfaholic
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Blame it on the al al al al cohol
Well what came first the chicken or the egg?
Did the southern sound take over because thats what people were buying, or did people start buying southern music because thats what was getting played on the radio and BET?
I'm from the East Coast and the one thing I'll concede is that Master P's Ghetto D album sounds sonically superior to anything that was coming from the East Coast in that time frame. Ghetto D had the sub-bass that Life After Death, Its Dark and Hell Is Hot, Vol 1, Vol 2 and I Am didn't have.
It Was Written had a song called Take It In Blood that had sub-bass, but the whole album didn't slap like that.
There was a 5 year span from around 97-2002 where southern producers were making hits that had that sub-bass that northern producers didn't understand. Looking back The Blueprint and Stillmatic were great albums but they would have been better with more sub-bass.
I maintain that East Coast (New York) rappers are better rappers than Southern or West Coast rappers, but sonically a lot of East Coast rap just doesn't sound as good.
Did the southern sound take over because thats what people were buying, or did people start buying southern music because thats what was getting played on the radio and BET?
I'm from the East Coast and the one thing I'll concede is that Master P's Ghetto D album sounds sonically superior to anything that was coming from the East Coast in that time frame. Ghetto D had the sub-bass that Life After Death, Its Dark and Hell Is Hot, Vol 1, Vol 2 and I Am didn't have.
It Was Written had a song called Take It In Blood that had sub-bass, but the whole album didn't slap like that.
There was a 5 year span from around 97-2002 where southern producers were making hits that had that sub-bass that northern producers didn't understand. Looking back The Blueprint and Stillmatic were great albums but they would have been better with more sub-bass.
I maintain that East Coast (New York) rappers are better rappers than Southern or West Coast rappers, but sonically a lot of East Coast rap just doesn't sound as good.
5 Grand;c-9719965 said:Well what came first the chicken or the egg?
Did the southern sound take over because thats what people were buying, or did people start buying southern music because thats what was getting played on the radio and BET?
I'm from the East Coast and the one thing I'll concede is that Master P's Ghetto D album sounds sonically superior to anything that was coming from the East Coast in that time frame. Ghetto D had the sub-bass that Life After Death, Its Dark and Hell Is Hot, Vol 1, Vol 2 and I Am didn't have.
It Was Written had a song called Take It In Blood that had sub-bass, but the whole album didn't slap like that.
There was a 5 year span from around 97-2002 where southern producers were making hits that had that sub-bass that northern producers didn't understand. Looking back The Blueprint and Stillmatic were great albums but they would have been better with more sub-bass.
I maintain that East Coast (New York) rappers are better rappers than Southern or West Coast rappers, but sonically a lot of East Coast rap just doesn't sound as good.
I agree. We always focus on how lyrics have changed, but production switched up a lot as well. It's hard to look at one without also considering the effect of the other.
I can't remember who, but someone way back mentioned that most people listened to music on the train or bus because NY sucks for driving, so making music that slapped in the trunk wasn't a priority.
The thing is, other regions also moved away from sampling, too. Timbaland and pharrel were never big samplers. Was it just the south or was it something else pushing the changes?
trendsetta1030
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Jay z, diddy an them shiney suits killed hiphop… tha south jus picked up tha slack
leftcoastkev
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No the south didn't kill hip hop. The south may have killed the essense of what older East Coast folks made hip hop out to be in their minds tho...
The south has always been 808 (and Zap board) heavy and that goes WAY back to the DJing days.
My uncle (from Mississippi) who is damn near 50 used to DJ in the 80s and early 90s when I was a kid. He used to incorporate a lot of Nemesis (Dallas TX)
and other bass music.
We used to play a lot of it on the west coast and it influenced us too (e.g. Sir Mix A Lot - Posse On Broadway). When the west did it, we added the funk and made it mob music (e.g. old school Too Short)
Basically everyone but the East Coast was bass heavy but I don't think the East Coast really start listening until OutKast came through with SouthernPlayalisticCadillacMuzik. The East was too caught up in their own bubble of loud ass highs and little lows/bass on their tracks but the majority of the non east coast was on something else when it came to making their own hip hop/rap music.
5 Grand;c-9719965 said:Well what came first the chicken or the egg?
Did the southern sound take over because thats what people were buying, or did people start buying southern music because thats what was getting played on the radio and BET?
I'm from the East Coast and the one thing I'll concede is that Master P's Ghetto D album sounds sonically superior to anything that was coming from the East Coast in that time frame. Ghetto D had the sub-bass that Life After Death, Its Dark and Hell Is Hot, Vol 1, Vol 2 and I Am didn't have.
It Was Written had a song called Take It In Blood that had sub-bass, but the whole album didn't slap like that.
There was a 5 year span from around 97-2002 where southern producers were making hits that had that sub-bass that northern producers didn't understand. Looking back The Blueprint and Stillmatic were great albums but they would have been better with more sub-bass.
I maintain that East Coast (New York) rappers are better rappers than Southern or West Coast rappers, but sonically a lot of East Coast rap just doesn't sound as good.
The south has always been 808 (and Zap board) heavy and that goes WAY back to the DJing days.
My uncle (from Mississippi) who is damn near 50 used to DJ in the 80s and early 90s when I was a kid. He used to incorporate a lot of Nemesis (Dallas TX)
and other bass music.
We used to play a lot of it on the west coast and it influenced us too (e.g. Sir Mix A Lot - Posse On Broadway). When the west did it, we added the funk and made it mob music (e.g. old school Too Short)
Basically everyone but the East Coast was bass heavy but I don't think the East Coast really start listening until OutKast came through with SouthernPlayalisticCadillacMuzik. The East was too caught up in their own bubble of loud ass highs and little lows/bass on their tracks but the majority of the non east coast was on something else when it came to making their own hip hop/rap music.
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Houston has it's accent,N.O. has it's accent,ATL same thing you go against the grain trying to be lyrical they gone say you not bout the local culture.
for example in Houston alot of kats talk like Dj Screw,Screwed Up Click and take alot of pride in that Texas southern sound.
You start rappin southern hostility it's a conspiracy wanting the whole nation to feel the fakkulty
they may be like mayne what they talm bout ....... (talking about)
for example in Houston alot of kats talk like Dj Screw,Screwed Up Click and take alot of pride in that Texas southern sound.
You start rappin southern hostility it's a conspiracy wanting the whole nation to feel the fakkulty
they may be like mayne what they talm bout ....... (talking about)
Everything is dumbed down generationally. In the early days hip hop djs were criticized for dumbing down disco records into break beats. It was looked at as cheap and lazy music..
Today the south is criticized for dumbing down pure hip hop into inarticulate mumbo jumbo that caters to the ignorant. At this point we're conditioned to mainstream hip hop being wack. New artists have to adapt to whatever the latest trend is and we as intelligent fans we have to navigate through the bullshit and find what suits our tastes.
Today the south is criticized for dumbing down pure hip hop into inarticulate mumbo jumbo that caters to the ignorant. At this point we're conditioned to mainstream hip hop being wack. New artists have to adapt to whatever the latest trend is and we as intelligent fans we have to navigate through the bullshit and find what suits our tastes.
Peezy_Jenkins
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ghostdog56
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Wasnt the essence party music? Isn't that what the South is doing?
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