Sandinista
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kzzl;c-9769045 said:
NOPE.
It's not an excuse. It's not even my opinion. It's human psychology, demonstrated by science.
It's called the Contact Hypothesis, developed by Gordon Allport in 1954 which showed two key findings:
1. Prejudice and its institutionalized outcome, racism, is at its key formed by beliefs in false narratives and false stereotypes foistered upon a marginalized group ("all blacks are criminals", "all Jews are cheap", "all Koreans are stingy")
2. These beliefs only survive as long as racists do not encounter unique individuals of said marginalized groups with characteristics that would challenge their belief.
3. A very effective way to accomplish that is to have members of the group have increased contact with each other so that the uniqueness of individuals can be seen. This erodes the stereotypes and makes it harder and harder to believe them.
Here's the original study and a nice overview of the relevant subsequent research:
http://www.in-mind.org/article/intergroup-contact-theory-past-present-and-future
The theory has been shown to be valid dozens of times across dozens of studies done in the last five decades.
Further studies elaborated on it further, like in the 2003 study by Stephen Wright and Donald Taylor who noted the effectiveness of identification with a super-ordinate group.
In other words, different groups can come together as part of one overarching group, for example as part of one community or of a common humanity. This also requires contact, not segregation.
SOURCE:http://sk.sagepub.com/reference/hdbk_socpsych/n16.xml
So yeah...you can have opinions flying around this motherfucker all you want....but if you want to actually tackle the real issue of reducing and eventually ending racism and prejudice in these United States it's not a big mystery.
Follow the science.
But then again, niggaz in these boards believe the Earth is flat and shit so what the fuck do I know right?
@ineedpussy we had that at one point. The seperation and a since of self but it didnt last long. It is called black wallstreet. All out terrorism. They literally flew airplanes and dropped bombs over tulsa,Oklahoma. We are their scapegoats. They love to have us as a stepping stone on their social ladder.
Sandinista;c-9769250 said:
Cant just dismiss my shit like its a flat earth theory, though. I'd be lying to you if I even agreed. Problem with that science is I've got 11 years of personal first hand experience dealing with the examples I mentioned. Go to any construction or plant site round me, it's there. That familiarity excuse ain't good enough no matter who says it.
KingLuciano
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As soon as we get momentum with anything that will benefit us, they gon come flocking to it and fuck it up they're vultures by nature.
VulcanRaven
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The only way that would be possible is to live in a black country. It is impossible to do here. If you still have to do business with whites, buy white owned products and have white politicians then it is not "real" segregation.
Sandinista;c-9769250 said:
Whites for 500+ years have interacted with unique individuals that don't fit the racial profiles (stereotypes) that they created and they are no less racists than they were 500 years ago. In fact the unique individuals they have interacted with either ended up being worked to death, exploited or outright murdered.
The way to end racism is to not be racists. FOH here with that pseudo science. Compassion, respect and humanity are all that is needed. We don't have to break bread with other races to not be racists against them.
VulcanRaven;c-9769443 said:
The goal wouldn't be "real segregation". The goal is segregation that gives a group of people control over their vital interests. Not living in a gated community afraid to face the world or to interact with others. As I have said, prior whites do this all across the country. Predominately white\all white communities control their communities.
Why is it that even in Predominately Black communities Whites or others have a larger stake in those communities? Their isn't one white community that has a predominately Black police force but Black communities all across the country are policed by predominately white police forces. Same with Schools and other vital parts of our community. This is extremely disturbing to me. Asians wield similar power in their respective neighborhoods. Thus why the Asian cop was able to get off. The Asian community reminded them crackers of their political and economic power within the city. They had no choice but to fall back and that was accomplished by Asians segregating themselves.
Sandinista
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Kwan Dai;c-9769587 said:
"Pseudo science" = science that reaches conclusions I don't agree with.
If it's "fake science" then by all means throw up the links for all the studies showing the opposite. I'm genuinely curious why you seem to know more about human psychology than actual, you know, fucking psychologists who spent their whole lives studying the shit.
And LOL at "White are just as racist as they were 500 years ago". That's some first world privilege right there. Niggaz in Brazil get shot by the police daily and no one gives a FUCK. Here in the US white people march for you and shit.
Go ask your grand pops whether or not white people cared about black people getting shot in 1937. Ask him how AWESOME life was for a black man back then. Tell him "gee grandpa...the end of segregation and Jim Crow was such a bad idea right? Don't you wish we could just go back in time to the Good ol' Days Back when whites and blacks and Latinos just stayed in their own lane?"
Sandinista;c-9769609 said:
I am genuinely curious as to why you would belittle yourself to the point that you'd accept someone elses opinion on a subject where experience, history and records are available to draw your own conclusions.
I'm glad shits funny to you. We have the largest prison population in the world with Blacks\browns being the overwhelming majority. Black unemployment rates are just about the same as they were 60-70 years ago. Schools are segregated yet most have white teachers that teach a white curriculum. The white median income and wealth as compared to Blacks is same as it was 60-70 years ago and growing. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
I speak to my elders quite often and that's what makes me different from most of you clowns. I recently went to the civil rights museum with my G-Mom and G-Aunt. My elders acknowledge that physical beats and violence has somewhat subsided but the same mechanisms that have hampered Blacks are still at play some are completely the same some have morphed into other forms.
What I wish is that Blacks still had places like Auburn Ave. Black Wall Stree, Harlem, Rosewood etc. Places where we controlled our own destiny. Places where if other races wanted to experience Black culture they could. Places where we could sit at a table and do business, with whites, Asians, Latinos etc on our terms.
So, while you and others keep dwindling this shit down to fucking white chicks, stage diving at a U2 concert, saying nigger with your white buds while hitting a bong to an eminem tune. I will continue see that our potential could possible be realized if, we had more control over the vital interest of our communities. Which doesn't happen if, Blacks aren't willing to segregate themselves within their own communities. Same way every other race in this country does.
Sandinista
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I’m not accepting anyone’s “opinion”. These are scientific studies exploring why racists do the shit they do, how racism and prejudice develop and what are some of the steps and policy decisions that can be used to decrease racism and prejudice across groups. Without science we’re just idiots yelling our opinions and personal histories at each other.
I’m not interested in who fucked over who 400 years ago. Shit is done. I want to know how we can move forward and create a better society.
Our ancestors were brutalized, raped and sold like cattle in theprocess of building this country. There ain’t nothing that can be done to minimize or change that. The only thing within our hands is to build a better future. How do we do that? Not with personal anecdotes and opinions but with science. What works? What doesn’t work? Simple
as that.
While I value people’s experience it’s simply not enough for policy. That’s how you get Trump.
Generational systemic racism and ethnic strife are not funny to me. The IC’s stereotypical reaction to it (“white people are natural faggots and cave monsters who are genetically predisposed to rape us innocent people of color”) is very funny to me because it’s so absurd.
Whites are 39% of the prison population of the United States so let’s get some clarity in this discussion. And while it is true that Hispanics and Blacks are incarcerated at rates double and quintuple that of whites it’s still not something that will be changed by de factor or de jure segregation. If anything it will make it easier yet
to target us as groups.
Nope.
Current black unemployment (April 2017) sits at 7.9%. In the last 30 years that’s literally the lowest it’s been with the exception of late 2000 when it was 7.3%. By comparison, black unemployment rate in 1983 was 20.1%.
SOURCE:http://www.macrotrends.net/2524/black-unemployment-rate-history-chart
Black unemployment between 1955 and 1965 for example ranged from 10% to 13%. Black unemployment in the 1930s was easily 50-75%.
SOURCE:https://www.law.umaryland.edu/marshall/usccr/documents/e1858e471986.pdf
(see Table 1.2 for Male Civilian Unemployment Rate)
Anyone who says black unemployment was better during the days of segregation is not looking at actual data and are spouting opinion.
I’m not denying that but again, you are ignoring the historical progress black and browns have made in the last 7 decades. If you go back to 1947, at the peak of Jim Crow, are you seriously going to tell me that black and Hispanic history and culture were more appreciated or even known outside our circles? FOH.
Our history and culture is more celebrated today in America than it has ever been. Confederate
statues are coming down in cities in the South where the Klan once marched openly WITHOUT masks.
If you don’t see that as progress then you are purposefully trying to be negative.
The black median income has increased enormously since 60-70 years ago. In 1967, 2.2% of Blacks made between $100 k and $200k. In 2014, that number was 11%, a fivefold growth.
The proportion of the middle class (between $35k and 100K) has also grown (34% to 38%) and the
percentage in absolute poverty (
@Sandinista
I can only shake my head at foreigners that come here with your mentality which supports White Supremacists rhetoric of a "moaning, whining underclass" aka Blacks not knowing their place. I know very little about Brazil's racial and socio-political landscape. But I know a hell of alot about mine being a 5 generation Black American.
What's even more amazing is, my entire posts have been all about BLACKS CONTINUING to take matters into our owns hands by controlling our economics, education, politics and overall right to exist as our culture sees fit. All the while you are against it.
I hope you realize that US whining Blacks are the reason ALL minorities can come this country to live relatively safe lives, take advantage of affirmative action initiatives, and vote. Folks like you make my stomach turn. You don't know American history but will spout of some numbers ( all which can be refuted) as if that tells any part of the story.
I can only shake my head at foreigners that come here with your mentality which supports White Supremacists rhetoric of a "moaning, whining underclass" aka Blacks not knowing their place. I know very little about Brazil's racial and socio-political landscape. But I know a hell of alot about mine being a 5 generation Black American.
What's even more amazing is, my entire posts have been all about BLACKS CONTINUING to take matters into our owns hands by controlling our economics, education, politics and overall right to exist as our culture sees fit. All the while you are against it.
I hope you realize that US whining Blacks are the reason ALL minorities can come this country to live relatively safe lives, take advantage of affirmative action initiatives, and vote. Folks like you make my stomach turn. You don't know American history but will spout of some numbers ( all which can be refuted) as if that tells any part of the story.
Sandinista
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Kwan Dai;c-9769968 said:
I think it's fascinating where you somehow got from my posts that I support "white supremacy". I think it's equally fascinating that me disagreeing with fucking returning to segregation is a "white supremacist" talking point.
What kind of topsy-turvy, illogical ass world do you live in where you spout off literally the same goddamn philosophy actual white supremacists and Nazis spew on Stormfront (separation between races will benefit all) YET I'm the one who is a supporter of "white supremacy". LOL. Imagine me rolling my eyes are your dumbassery.
I also love the Nativist and quasi-racist point you raise up that my foreign origins somehow make me unable to analyze American realities but your "5 generation" racial memory is a better yardstick. Get all the fuck out of here. I've lived in the US practically my whole goddamn life, been called "nigger" by whites and "spic" by blacks and have near gotten my ass whooped by both races because of the ignorant, backwards, regressive, uneducated prejudice present in both races.
And btw, it wasn't the WHINING blacks that made it possible for me to thrive in this country. It was the FIGHTING blacks. The RATIONAL blacks. I didn't see MLK marching for goddamn MORE Jim Crow. Sorry it didn't work out that way for you. And I would call your downplaying of Latino struggles for Civil Rights in this country as offensive but frankly I don't even think you know enough to be offensive.
Latinos founded the first farm worker union in this country in 1903 which fought for the economic and social rights of ALL farmers. Considering 40% of African Americans were sharecroppers in 1903 that should give you sum perspective of who was fighting for who also. Latinos helped found the IWW in 1905 AND pushed for blacks to be accepted as full members. Groups like LULAC and the Orden Hijos de America were fighting for civil rights in the 1920s, 30 years before Rosa Parks.
Your opinion is wrong, your analysis is simplistic, your prejudices are childish, the science and stats backing your assertions are non-existent and your prejudice and bias against foreigners is just as stomach churning to me.
Peace.
Sandinista;c-9770017 said:
You clearly support white supremacy with your dismissal of historical and current events while accusing Blacks of playing some victim role while refusing to recognize our own internal wrong doings. Blacks have ALWAYS attempted to correct the ills in our community whether they were perpetuated internally or externally. The external attacks have harmed 100xs more than we could ever harm ourselves.
If you are too dense to comprehend that Blacks being in control of our communities and vital resources (segregating) are paramount to us overcoming our internal and external issues it's you who's living in a topsy-turvy world where assimilation is the only solution. We don't have to settle for assimilation. For the 100th time. We can be in control of our communities while intermingling, doing business, and whatever else we want to do in regards to dealing with other races. Blacks segregating isn't based on Supremacy. It's based on being fucking excluded because, we don't own or control shit that is significant enough to change our condition as a whole. I am doing extremely well in life. But this doesn't change that too many of us aren't.
You are a foreigner accept it and it's better for you to STFU and listen to those who have been here for generations. Your minor encounters don't compare nor are they any greater then any other Black American posting here. I am sure most of us will tell you to man the fuck up. That's light weight. I get it you're hurt and bruised so, white people aint that bad. Run with that.
I was clearly being facetious more importantly reading through your bullshit rhetoric. I don't see anyone advocating for more Jim Crowe. MLK himself died because, he began to speak more to Black empowerment than the lets hold hands while you rape and beat my wife approach. Stop misrepresenting the Great Dr. King.
Latinos? If, you are referring to the UFW it was founded in 1962 not sure where you came up with 1903. Now your implying that Blacks from Spanish speaking countries where freely moving about America. I am not even going to go down this road with you. You are overstating the significance, inclusiveness and impact these organizations had on our country as whole. For you to fucking imply that Latinos were at the forefront of civil rights is utter non-sense. When the struggle for civil rights in America began when the first Slave uprisings occurred.
Sandinista
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I didn’t accuse “Blacks” of playing some victim role. I accused YOU and the neo-segregationists in the IC who think doing exactly what real white supremacists on Stormfront want (separating minorities from whites) is a good thing. Thanks be to the Lord that most blacks would probably give you the side eye for that douchebaggery.
I could even cosign you in regards to some of the economics but you’rebstill wrong. Black business ownership is thriving. Even in the Golden Age of Black Entrepeneurship (1900-1930) there were maybe 40,000 black owned businesses in the United States. Today there are 2.6 MILLION
Black-owned businesses in the United States. That’s a 34% increase since 2007, by the way.
The fact that I’m a foreigner means fuck all. I live here, have lived here my whole life, pay taxes, my wife is American, my children will be American and my fate and future are clearly tied with America’s. So you can shut the fuck up with that nativist bullshit Adolf Kwan. I didn’t suddenly lose my ability to read a situation rationally and
call bullshit bullshit when I crossed the border.
And by the way, you can eat a dick for implying that because I’m not American I somehow “don’t know” and “can’t know” the “struggle” Black Americans have gone through. Brazil is home of the largest African diaspora in the World dipshit. My ancestors were still slaves in 1888, the last slave population to be set free. My great grandfather was born in a slave plantation in 1886.
Everything Black Americans experienced we experienced too: whippings, rape, forcible conversion to Christianity, imposed colorism
from slave masters, second class citizenry, illegal mixed race children, lynchings… you’re not fucking special or unique. Your struggle is not special or unique. Not even your stupidity is special or unique.
And if you’re keeping count, your downplaying of the struggle of Latinos for civil rights in America means you can eat three dicks: the Japanese-Mexican Labor Association (JMLA) was founded in 1903 when 1,200 Mexican and Japanese farm workers organized the first farm worker union in the US. The first of its kind.
Mendez et al vs Westminster School District of Orange County, challenged racial segregation against Mexicans and Mexican-Americans in Orange County, California and was instrumental in repealing many of the segregationist provisions in California that benefit millions of blacks. This was in 1946, 8 years before Brown vs Board of Education.
Hernandez v. Texas in 1954 case established that the protection granted by the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution was not only
for white and black Americans, but that all racial groups required equal protection. This case questioned the use of Jim Crow laws against other classes of Americans, and determined that Americans of Hispanic, Asian, Middle Eastern, Inuit, Native American, and other nonwhite or black descent should also be treated equally. You’re fucking welcome.
Regarding slave revolts, Afro-Brazilians were fighting against slave owners hundreds of years before Nat Turner was even a glimmer in his
daddy’s ballsack. We created entire communities and cities of escaped slaves (quilombos and mocambos). Palmares at its height had almost
60,000 escaped slaves, living under a democratic republic 82 years before your Thomas Jefferson wrote the declaration of independence. And cosign all of that for Central America too, where Afro-Caribbeans were shedding their blood for their freedom decades and decades before
the Civil War.
I know you guys like to think that you’re the greatest and most important African diaspora community in the World and that no one has had it worse than you but you can sit down and shut the fuck up. Your struggle was one of many.
So yeah…take a couple steps back, eat those dicks and fucking educate yourself.
I could even cosign you in regards to some of the economics but you’rebstill wrong. Black business ownership is thriving. Even in the Golden Age of Black Entrepeneurship (1900-1930) there were maybe 40,000 black owned businesses in the United States. Today there are 2.6 MILLION
Black-owned businesses in the United States. That’s a 34% increase since 2007, by the way.
The fact that I’m a foreigner means fuck all. I live here, have lived here my whole life, pay taxes, my wife is American, my children will be American and my fate and future are clearly tied with America’s. So you can shut the fuck up with that nativist bullshit Adolf Kwan. I didn’t suddenly lose my ability to read a situation rationally and
call bullshit bullshit when I crossed the border.
And by the way, you can eat a dick for implying that because I’m not American I somehow “don’t know” and “can’t know” the “struggle” Black Americans have gone through. Brazil is home of the largest African diaspora in the World dipshit. My ancestors were still slaves in 1888, the last slave population to be set free. My great grandfather was born in a slave plantation in 1886.
Everything Black Americans experienced we experienced too: whippings, rape, forcible conversion to Christianity, imposed colorism
from slave masters, second class citizenry, illegal mixed race children, lynchings… you’re not fucking special or unique. Your struggle is not special or unique. Not even your stupidity is special or unique.
And if you’re keeping count, your downplaying of the struggle of Latinos for civil rights in America means you can eat three dicks: the Japanese-Mexican Labor Association (JMLA) was founded in 1903 when 1,200 Mexican and Japanese farm workers organized the first farm worker union in the US. The first of its kind.
Mendez et al vs Westminster School District of Orange County, challenged racial segregation against Mexicans and Mexican-Americans in Orange County, California and was instrumental in repealing many of the segregationist provisions in California that benefit millions of blacks. This was in 1946, 8 years before Brown vs Board of Education.
Hernandez v. Texas in 1954 case established that the protection granted by the 14th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution was not only
for white and black Americans, but that all racial groups required equal protection. This case questioned the use of Jim Crow laws against other classes of Americans, and determined that Americans of Hispanic, Asian, Middle Eastern, Inuit, Native American, and other nonwhite or black descent should also be treated equally. You’re fucking welcome.
Regarding slave revolts, Afro-Brazilians were fighting against slave owners hundreds of years before Nat Turner was even a glimmer in his
daddy’s ballsack. We created entire communities and cities of escaped slaves (quilombos and mocambos). Palmares at its height had almost
60,000 escaped slaves, living under a democratic republic 82 years before your Thomas Jefferson wrote the declaration of independence. And cosign all of that for Central America too, where Afro-Caribbeans were shedding their blood for their freedom decades and decades before
the Civil War.
I know you guys like to think that you’re the greatest and most important African diaspora community in the World and that no one has had it worse than you but you can sit down and shut the fuck up. Your struggle was one of many.
So yeah…take a couple steps back, eat those dicks and fucking educate yourself.
ghostdog56
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Sandinista;c-9770228 said:
Go back to your country
Kwan Dai;c-9769587 said:
Not saying the research is accurate one way or the other but I will say you'd be shocked at the amount of white folks who literally have no other interaction with someone of another race outside of what they see on tv or movies. They live in white towns, go to white schools and only talk to other white people who reinforce the bullshit they think about other races. Its not exactly beyond the realm of possibility, no matter how slim, that interactions with people outside your normal group will actually change your opinion of said group. The idea on its own isn't that far fetched...its the application of it where it turns into an issue.
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