would mlk jr. been better served if he would of had blacks....

[blackrain]

Only if you believe separate but equal is actually a realistic concept, which history should tell you that it's not and never will be.

 

[Sandinista]

Also I like not being limited to a box. I like being able to get money with anybody, etc. Being able to go to whichever place to eat, whichever beach, whichever school, whichever job, not limit business...get the picture? Is this simple concept hard to follow? without being told "you cant come in here or do that" Segregation nastalgia when the blacks were "in their place" some can dream I guess.

I don't want to fight for the right to be at a place where I'm not wanted. I'd rather eat at a place where I'm wanted while being amongst my people. Building a community and looking after our own.

Why should it matter what the majority race wants or doesn't want? Blacks helped build this country. They should have a right to go anywhere in it.

So what happens if I'm driving through Utah with my child and see signs for Joshua Tree National Park and wanna pull off right quick to see it? Do I need to stop and check Google to make sure it's a national park "coloreds" can visit? Do I need to see if there are "blacks and browns days" where my dark skin won't offend any nearby whites?

Fuck That

 

[NoCompetition]

Also I like not being limited to a box. I like being able to get money with anybody, etc. Being able to go to whichever place to eat, whichever beach, whichever school, whichever job, not limit business...get the picture? Is this simple concept hard to follow? without being told "you cant come in here or do that" Segregation nastalgia when the blacks were "in their place" some can dream I guess.

I don't want to fight for the right to be at a place where I'm not wanted. I'd rather eat at a place where I'm wanted while being amongst my people. Building a community and looking after our own.

You may find that just because people are "your race" doesnt mean you will necessarily like each other or be compatible. And you may find kinship and be able to build with diverse people. Its really going beyond concepts to reality. I grew up in a 99% black community in metro ATL. I have come to find its not how I want to live, limited to race. A lot of things go on under the surface from subpar schools to other subpar services in such situations. I have a real world understanding. And now that Im grown I realize expanding actually can present more opportunities. Not saying everybody is your friend. But that goes either way. legal Segregation is over because it was incorrect and put too much energy into trying to keep people down. Chosen racial segregation is a choice but its not something Im trying to be forced into. Especially business wise and where I can go. Thats ridiculous.

 

[Kwan Dai]

Nah.

If we accepted the legal separation of races in this country we would basically be giving up on the idea of a coexistence and just creating the potential for even more Balkanization in the future.

The only way to fight racism is through familiarity. 90% of white racists ive met just have never spent any significant with minorities...no black friends, no black lovers, no black relatives, no black pastors, etc.



When you don't spent anytime with other races and see them as people it's easy to write them off as "the other" and think you got nothing in common with them.

Y is the onus on negros to do all of that.

Native Americans and negros have proven they dont have to be familiar with a different race to be friendly with em.

Whites are the only ones warlike from the get go and it's not like theyre stupid about it.

They were smart enough to get resources from the native americans b4 they turned on em.

Full time some of yall accept that they're just fuckin savages.

Native Americans are segregated but equal and their communities have high crime , alcohol abuse problems, unreported rape issues,low employment , poor health and education options, so this rosey picture that you guys paint about how great it would be to segregated but equal needs better clarification.

No nigga you need a better perspective. Native Americans are in the situation that they are in because, they have not built on their infrastructure and have not maintained their culture. Which, is difficult to do when your culture was basically destroyed and outside business doesn't do business save for tourism and casinos.

Whites are thriving because, EVERY other race is willing to flock to their communities pay taxes and spend money in their establishments. People are discouraged from going to Black neighborhoods to do business sighting crime and other nonsense which is neatly wrapped in white supremacy.

 

[fortyacres]

We know that our attempts were met with violence and destruction. This should be an indicator that it was working and still will work. Blacks are afraid whites will react as they have in the past so, many are against it.

Separate but equal doesn't mean we have to seclude ourselves or exclude others. It actually means that when we interact with other cultures whether it be for business or pleasure they are getting our true selves and culture. I live in predominately Black part of town where I do the majority of my business but I certainly venture out to intermingle. I don't get where some of yall are coming from with this bullshit notion that we have to give up being self-sufficient for the sake of diversity and opportunity to experience other races.

Maybe there needs to be a threadstarter definition of "Separate But Equal" because everyone is interpreting it one way or another, Because investing in black owned business is pretty different from what the actual definition of separate but equal is.

 

[ineedpussy]

We know that our attempts were met with violence and destruction. This should be an indicator that it was working and still will work. Blacks are afraid whites will react as they have in the past so, many are against it.

Separate but equal doesn't mean we have to seclude ourselves or exclude others. It actually means that when we interact with other cultures whether it be for business or pleasure they are getting our true selves and culture. I live in predominately Black part of town where I do the majority of my business but I certainly venture out to intermingle. I don't get where some of yall are coming from with this bullshit notion that we have to give up being self-sufficient for the sake of diversity and opportunity to experience other races.

this. yall can still smooze with your favorite hunkies. we just need our own shit. businesses, schools, hospitals,etc. if you want to go to the white part of town....cool. want to be a hunkie lover.....cool. but we should of fought for separate but equal so we as a people could do better. i think niggaZ would of been so far along by now. smmfh at niggaZ wanting massa to be an integral part of their life. smmfh.

 

[NoCompetition]

We know that our attempts were met with violence and destruction. This should be an indicator that it was working and still will work. Blacks are afraid whites will react as they have in the past so, many are against it.

Separate but equal doesn't mean we have to seclude ourselves or exclude others. It actually means that when we interact with other cultures whether it be for business or pleasure they are getting our true selves and culture. I live in predominately Black part of town where I do the majority of my business but I certainly venture out to intermingle. I don't get where some of yall are coming from with this bullshit notion that we have to give up being self-sufficient for the sake of diversity and opportunity to experience other races.

this. yall can still smooze with your favorite hunkies. we just need our own shit. businesses, schools, hospitals,etc. if you want to go to the white part of town....cool. want to be a hunkie lover.....cool. but we should of fought for separate but equal so we as a people could do better. i think niggaZ would of been so far along by now. smmfh at niggaZ wanting massa to be an integral part of their life. smmfh.

Go for it dude if its your thing. You dont need anybody else for this. Just a reason to insult others. The point is having the choice. Which you have. So any "problem" is fabricated. People gotta realize nobody is or was going to do everything exactly your way...except possibly you.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

It's been separate and unequal and it's still separate and unequal. Folks forget how separation didn't keep crackers from fucking with the black community. Basically, regardless what you call it. Jews not safe out here. The difference with them and other communities is that they have a base to fall back on outside of this country if shit gets real and they people back home got big ass guns.

 

[fortyacres]

Nah.

If we accepted the legal separation of races in this country we would basically be giving up on the idea of a coexistence and just creating the potential for even more Balkanization in the future.

The only way to fight racism is through familiarity. 90% of white racists ive met just have never spent any significant with minorities...no black friends, no black lovers, no black relatives, no black pastors, etc.



When you don't spent anytime with other races and see them as people it's easy to write them off as "the other" and think you got nothing in common with them.

Y is the onus on negros to do all of that.

Native Americans and negros have proven they dont have to be familiar with a different race to be friendly with em.

Whites are the only ones warlike from the get go and it's not like theyre stupid about it.

They were smart enough to get resources from the native americans b4 they turned on em.

Full time some of yall accept that they're just fuckin savages.

Native Americans are segregated but equal and their communities have high crime , alcohol abuse problems, unreported rape issues,low employment , poor health and education options, so this rosey picture that you guys paint about how great it would be to segregated but equal needs better clarification.

No nigga you need a better perspective. Native Americans are in the situation that they are in because, they have not built on their infrastructure and have not maintained their culture. Which, is difficult to do when your culture was basically destroyed and outside business doesn't do business save for tourism and casinos.

Whites are thriving because, EVERY other race is willing to flock to their communities pay taxes and spend money in their establishments. People are discouraged from going to Black neighborhoods to do business sighting crime and other nonsense which is neatly wrapped in white supremacy.

My perspective is very fine nigga, a situation whereby you seclude or are secluded as a community from the rest of the country does not allow for development and new ideas , everything because stagnant. Im not saying white people arent historically a problem but also there is a problem with that model within the Native American community to thrive.

 

[5th Letter]

Also I like not being limited to a box. I like being able to get money with anybody, etc. Being able to go to whichever place to eat, whichever beach, whichever school, whichever job, not limit business...get the picture? Is this simple concept hard to follow? without being told "you cant come in here or do that" Segregation nastalgia when the blacks were "in their place" some can dream I guess.

I don't want to fight for the right to be at a place where I'm not wanted. I'd rather eat at a place where I'm wanted while being amongst my people. Building a community and looking after our own.

Why should it matter what the majority race wants or doesn't want? Blacks helped build this country. They should have a right to go anywhere in it.

So what happens if I'm driving through Utah with my child and see signs for Joshua Tree National Park and wanna pull off right quick to see it? Do I need to stop and check Google to make sure it's a national park "coloreds" can visit? Do I need to see if there are "blacks and browns days" where my dark skin won't offend any nearby whites?

Fuck That

I'm saying that I'm not fighting for the right to be at a place where I'm not wanted. Instead of fighting for that, why not build up your own establishments?

 

[gns]

Nah.

If we accepted the legal separation of races in this country we would basically be giving up on the idea of a coexistence and just creating the potential for even more Balkanization in the future.

The only way to fight racism is through familiarity. 90% of white racists ive met just have never spent any significant with minorities...no black friends, no black lovers, no black relatives, no black pastors, etc.



When you don't spent anytime with other races and see them as people it's easy to write them off as "the other" and think you got nothing in common with them.

Y is the onus on negros to do all of that.

Native Americans and negros have proven they dont have to be familiar with a different race to be friendly with em.

Whites are the only ones warlike from the get go and it's not like theyre stupid about it.

They were smart enough to get resources from the native americans b4 they turned on em.

Full time some of yall accept that they're just fuckin savages.

Native Americans are segregated but equal and their communities have high crime , alcohol abuse problems, unreported rape issues,low employment , poor health and education options, so this rosey picture that you guys paint about how great it would be to segregated but equal needs better clarification.

Nah.

If we accepted the legal separation of races in this country we would basically be giving up on the idea of a coexistence and just creating the potential for even more Balkanization in the future.

The only way to fight racism is through familiarity. 90% of white racists ive met just have never spent any significant with minorities...no black friends, no black lovers, no black relatives, no black pastors, etc.



When you don't spent anytime with other races and see them as people it's easy to write them off as "the other" and think you got nothing in common with them.

Y is the onus on negros to do all of that.

Native Americans and negros have proven they dont have to be familiar with a different race to be friendly with em.

Whites are the only ones warlike from the get go and it's not like theyre stupid about it.

They were smart enough to get resources from the native americans b4 they turned on em.

Full time some of yall accept that they're just fuckin savages.

The bolded shows a profound misunderstanding of history.

Several Indian tribes bought and sold black slaves. Indians also weren't even friendly with each other, engaging in chronic warfare with other tribes even before one European set foot in this continent.

And black soldiers fought in the Indian Wars as well and participated in the killing of Indians.

There ain't nothing "savage" about white people. ALL HUMANS are savage. All humans have the potential for genocidal racism in their DNA. Whites just happened...by accident of geography and history...to have the bigger stick in the 1500s when colonization started.

Or do you think if the Aztecs had discovered Europe instead of the other way around they'd have treated Europeans with gentleness and loving affection?

FOH

U both brought up natives and blacks relationship with each and tribal wars....why?

We're talking how friendly races alien to whites were towards them and u both essentially said; what about black on black crime.

Germanic tribes were warlike among other as well, so what?!

I'm talking about intermingling with an unknown and whites proclivity to seek and destroy others more efficiently than anyone else.

 

[jono]

This is a tired debate.

Segregation can never, did never and will never work.

This shit is fantasy drummed up by ignorant mufuckas who weren't born at the time and didn't have to live in that world.

If you can't see the inherent idiocy of being pro-segregation you lost to the world.

 

[Jabu_Rule]

Another point on Jews is that a lot of crackers in the States waiting for them to die the proper way according to the bible in order to bring the end times, so they get a pass until then.

 

[5th Letter]

Also I like not being limited to a box. I like being able to get money with anybody, etc. Being able to go to whichever place to eat, whichever beach, whichever school, whichever job, not limit business...get the picture? Is this simple concept hard to follow? without being told "you cant come in here or do that" Segregation nastalgia when the blacks were "in their place" some can dream I guess.

I don't want to fight for the right to be at a place where I'm not wanted. I'd rather eat at a place where I'm wanted while being amongst my people. Building a community and looking after our own.

You may find that just because people are "your race" doesnt mean you will necessarily like each other or be compatible. And you may find kinship and be able to build with diverse people. Its really going beyond concepts to reality. I grew up in a 99% black community in metro ATL. I have come to find its not how I want to live, limited to race. A lot of things go on under the surface from subpar schools to other subpar services in such situations. I have a real world understanding. And now that Im grown I realize expanding actually can present more opportunities. Not saying everybody is your friend. But that goes either way. legal Segregation is over because it was incorrect and put too much energy into trying to keep people down. Chosen racial segregation is a choice but its not something Im trying to be forced into. Especially business wise and where I can go. Thats ridiculous.

White supremacists don't all like or agree with each other but they'll put their petty issues aside to get on code for a bigger purpose. So basically you just want to be able to mingle with white folks freely? So my question is, is it that important to you?

 

[NoCompetition]

Also I like not being limited to a box. I like being able to get money with anybody, etc. Being able to go to whichever place to eat, whichever beach, whichever school, whichever job, not limit business...get the picture? Is this simple concept hard to follow? without being told "you cant come in here or do that" Segregation nastalgia when the blacks were "in their place" some can dream I guess.

I don't want to fight for the right to be at a place where I'm not wanted. I'd rather eat at a place where I'm wanted while being amongst my people. Building a community and looking after our own.

Why should it matter what the majority race wants or doesn't want? Blacks helped build this country. They should have a right to go anywhere in it.

So what happens if I'm driving through Utah with my child and see signs for Joshua Tree National Park and wanna pull off right quick to see it? Do I need to stop and check Google to make sure it's a national park "coloreds" can visit? Do I need to see if there are "blacks and browns days" where my dark skin won't offend any nearby whites?

Fuck That

I'm saying that I'm not fighting for the right to be at a place where I'm not wanted. Instead of fighting for that, why not build up your own establishments?

Again sounds like a plan. Do your thing. But really cant be mad at people for fighting for the right to actually have a choice. I guess a lot of it has to do with how you view that very premise and if you think its right and if you feel those people deserve those rights. But nothing stopping you from dealing with whoever you want. Blacks had to still deal with White people, the Government, all that back then. Im maybe sensing an emotional element because these arguments arent making sense.

 

[Sandinista]

Nah.

If we accepted the legal separation of races in this country we would basically be giving up on the idea of a coexistence and just creating the potential for even more Balkanization in the future.

The only way to fight racism is through familiarity. 90% of white racists ive met just have never spent any significant with minorities...no black friends, no black lovers, no black relatives, no black pastors, etc.



When you don't spent anytime with other races and see them as people it's easy to write them off as "the other" and think you got nothing in common with them.

Y is the onus on negros to do all of that.

Native Americans and negros have proven they dont have to be familiar with a different race to be friendly with em.

Whites are the only ones warlike from the get go and it's not like theyre stupid about it.

They were smart enough to get resources from the native americans b4 they turned on em.

Full time some of yall accept that they're just fuckin savages.

Native Americans are segregated but equal and their communities have high crime , alcohol abuse problems, unreported rape issues,low employment , poor health and education options, so this rosey picture that you guys paint about how great it would be to segregated but equal needs better clarification.

Nah.

If we accepted the legal separation of races in this country we would basically be giving up on the idea of a coexistence and just creating the potential for even more Balkanization in the future.

The only way to fight racism is through familiarity. 90% of white racists ive met just have never spent any significant with minorities...no black friends, no black lovers, no black relatives, no black pastors, etc.



When you don't spent anytime with other races and see them as people it's easy to write them off as "the other" and think you got nothing in common with them.

Y is the onus on negros to do all of that.

Native Americans and negros have proven they dont have to be familiar with a different race to be friendly with em.

Whites are the only ones warlike from the get go and it's not like theyre stupid about it.

They were smart enough to get resources from the native americans b4 they turned on em.

Full time some of yall accept that they're just fuckin savages.

The bolded shows a profound misunderstanding of history.

Several Indian tribes bought and sold black slaves. Indians also weren't even friendly with each other, engaging in chronic warfare with other tribes even before one European set foot in this continent.

And black soldiers fought in the Indian Wars as well and participated in the killing of Indians.

There ain't nothing "savage" about white people. ALL HUMANS are savage. All humans have the potential for genocidal racism in their DNA. Whites just happened...by accident of geography and history...to have the bigger stick in the 1500s when colonization started.

Or do you think if the Aztecs had discovered Europe instead of the other way around they'd have treated Europeans with gentleness and loving affection?

FOH

U both brought up natives and blacks relationship with each and tribal wars....why?

We're talking how friendly races alien to whites were towards them and u both essentially said; what about black on black crime.

Germanic tribes were warlike among other as well, so what?!

I'm talking about intermingling with an unknown and whites proclivity to seek and destroy others more efficiently than anyone else.

Black on black crime? Wtf? Not even close.

Someone said this:

"Native Americans and negros have proven they dont have to be familiar with a different race to be friendly with em."

...heavily implying that Indians and Blacks didn't know each other but were "friendly" with each other. I merely retorted that that is bullshit. Indians owned blacks and hunted them down when they escaped just like the whitest of the whites and black soldiers participated in massacres and ethnic cleansing of Indians as part of the US Army's Indian Wars too.

 

[fortyacres]

We know that our attempts were met with violence and destruction. This should be an indicator that it was working and still will work. Blacks are afraid whites will react as they have in the past so, many are against it.

Separate but equal doesn't mean we have to seclude ourselves or exclude others. It actually means that when we interact with other cultures whether it be for business or pleasure they are getting our true selves and culture. I live in predominately Black part of town where I do the majority of my business but I certainly venture out to intermingle. I don't get where some of yall are coming from with this bullshit notion that we have to give up being self-sufficient for the sake of diversity and opportunity to experience other races.

this. yall can still smooze with your favorite hunkies. we just need our own shit. businesses, schools, hospitals,etc. if you want to go to the white part of town....cool. want to be a hunkie lover.....cool. but we should of fought for separate but equal so we as a people could do better. i think niggaZ would of been so far along by now. smmfh at niggaZ wanting massa to be an integral part of their life. smmfh.

you might need to articulate yourself better.

 

[SneakDZA]

When I see these threads all I can think about is how bad people's lives must suck if they find comfort in fantasies about the good old days of segregation.

If your life ain't shit in 2017 your life probably wouldn't have been shit during jim crow either. I don't think it's fair to blame integration for your personal issues.

 

[5th Letter]

When I see these threads all I can think about is how bad people's lives must suck if they find comfort in fantasies about the good old days of segregation.

If your life ain't shit in 2017 your life probably wouldn't have been shit during jim crow either. I don't think it's fair to blame integration for your personal issues.

Nobody said that segregation were "the good old days" in here.

 

[ineedpussy]

This is a tired debate.

Segregation can never, did never and will never work.

This shit is fantasy drummed up by ignorant mufuckas who weren't born at the time and didn't have to live in that world.

If you can't see the inherent idiocy of being pro-segregation you lost to the world.

so what about those european countries where no blacks live? or what about states like north/south dakota where no niggaZ live? so youre telling me segregation doesnt work? right.....got you.