Wikileaks confirms extraestial life

[Neophyte Wolfgang]

Using unsettled theories as fact......smh

 

[Neophyte Wolfgang]

This comes down to my other point, you think the information you read or heard about is correct. Aiogenesis is not accepted by every biologist and has come under a lot of scrunity. Just like the big bang theory

 

[zzombie]

Human understanding of ourselves, of the universe of earth is in its infancy. To level down a possibility by a question a scientist asked during his lunch break is asinine. The Fermi Paradox does not support your conclusion, and you assumptions about Abiogenesis is putting all your eggs in the basket. Its a theory not a fact.....

Relying on lab studies to tell us how life began billions of years ago is retarded

I am not saying humanity knows everything because we don't but we do know enough to make certain claims and prove certain truths that logically have consequences on what can and cannot be.

abiogenesis is something that some chemist and biologist have to fall back on to try and scientifically escape the need for intelligent design but i've studied the science behind it and it just does not come together very well, it's bullshit to me but FOR THERE TO BE alien civilizations then abiogenesis would have to be common and relatively easy to reproduce but since it's not then that fact lends credence to the femi-pradox and it's central idea that there exist barriers to life surviving long enough and being intelligent enough to eventually learn how to travel in space if such travel is possible in the first place

 

[zzombie]

This comes down to my other point, you think the information you read or heard about is correct. Aiogenesis is not accepted by every biologist and has come under a lot of scrunity. Just like the big bang theory

Using unsettled theories as fact......smh

You ain't stomping shit out I'm plugged and have family in New York, that city is sweet I didn't survive westside Chicago to let some Jamaican nigga who was one of the few to get outdated basic education to talk shit to me.

You probably read 15 year old outdated science books now you think you smart

^^^^^^^^^^^^ this is why the other guy said this thread has turned into misunderstandings. I don't believe in aiogenesis but you actually have to because outside of there being a god it's the only way your proposed space traveling aliens can exist

 

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[Neophyte Wolfgang]

I am not saying humanity knows everything because we don't but we do know enough to make certain claims and prove certain truths that logically have consequences on what can and cannot be.

abiogenesis is something that some chemist and biologist have to fall back on to try and scientifically escape the need for intelligent design but i've studied the science behind it and it just does not come together very well, it's bullshit to me but FOR THERE TO BE alien civilizations then abiogenesis would have to be common and relatively easy to reproduce but since it's not then that fact lends credence to the femi-pradox and it's central idea that there exist barriers to life surviving long enough and being intelligent enough to eventually learn how to travel in space if such travel is possible in the first place

You don't believe in Abiogenesis, but try and use that theory to refute "alien" life possibility in our universe?

A lot of things in science are hard to reproduce, Abiogenesis is a lazy scientific theory atheist scientists use to eliminate God or a creator. And I am a Atheist.....Since Abiogenesis is just that a theory....a shaky one at that. We can't subscribe it to other planets or galaxies that MIGHT have alien life, it has no basis.

 

[Neophyte Wolfgang]

In his later years, Hoyle became a staunch critic of theories of abiogenesis to explain the origin of life on Earth. With Chandra Wickramasinghe, Hoyle promoted the hypothesis that the first life on Earth began in space, spreading through the universe via panspermia, and that evolution on Earth is influenced by a steady influx of viruses arriving via comets. His belief that comets had a significant percentage of organic compounds was well ahead of his time, as the dominant views in the 1970s and 1980s were that comets largely consisted of water-ice, and the presence of organic compounds was then highly controversial. Wickramasinghe wrote in 2003: "In the highly polarized polemic between Darwinism and creationism, our position is unique. Although we do not align ourselves with either side, both sides treat us as opponents. Thus we are outsiders with an unusual perspective—and our suggestion for a way out of the crisis has not yet been considered."[27]

Hoyle and Wickramasinghe advanced several instances where they say outbreaks of illnesses on Earth are of extraterrestrial origins, including the 1918 flu pandemic, and certain outbreaks of polio and mad cow disease. For the 1918 flu pandemic they hypothesized that cometary dust brought the virus to Earth simultaneously at multiple locations—a view almost universally dismissed by experts on this pandemic. In 1982 Hoyle presented Evolution from Space for the Royal Institution's Omni Lecture. After considering what he thought of as a very remote possibility of Earth-based abiogenesis he concluded:

If one proceeds directly and straightforwardly in this matter, without being deflected by a fear of incurring the wrath of scientific opinion, one arrives at the conclusion that biomaterials with their amazing measure of order must be the outcome of intelligent design. No other possibility I have been able to think of...

— Fred Hoyle[28]

Published in his 1982/1984 books Evolution from Space (co-authored with Chandra Wickramasinghe), Hoyle calculated that the chance of obtaining the required set of enzymes for even the simplest living cell without panspermia was one in 1040,000. Since the number of atoms in the known universe is infinitesimally tiny by comparison (1080), he argued that Earth as life's place of origin could be ruled out. He claimed:

The notion that not only the biopolymer but the operating program of a living cell could be arrived at by chance in a primordial organic soup here on the Earth is evidently nonsense of a high order.

Though Hoyle declared himself an atheist,[29] this apparent suggestion of a guiding hand led him to the conclusion that "a superintellect has monkeyed with physics, as well as with chemistry and biology, and ... there are no blind forces worth speaking about in nature."[30] He would go on to compare the random emergence of even the simplest cell without panspermia to the likelihood that "a tornado sweeping through a junk-yard might assemble a Boeing 747 from the materials therein" and to compare the chance of obtaining even a single functioning protein by chance combination of amino acids to a solar system full of blind men solving Rubik's Cubes simultaneously.[31] Those who advocate the intelligent design (ID) belief sometimes cite Hoyle's work in this area to support the claim that the universe was fine tuned in order to allow intelligent life to be possible. Alfred Russel of the Uncommon Descent community has even gone so far as labeling Hoyle "an atheist for ID"

Fred Hoyle an Atheist, who thought the Abiogenesis THEORY was bunk

 

[Neophyte Wolfgang]

In the highly polarized polemic between Darwinism and creationism, our position is unique. Although we do not align ourselves with either side, both sides treat us as opponents. Thus we are outsiders with an unusual perspective—and our suggestion for a way out of the crisis has not yet been considered.

This is how I would describe my stance on most subjects in most sciences

 

[Splackavelli]

You're first post said they can't be on Earth....fine

you're 2nd post went further and said they are not in the galaxy. Correct?

like i said it's called attempting to clarifying myself so that i am not misunderstood. what cannot be in the galaxy is space traveling aliens that move faster than light speed. I AM NOT SAYING that aliens cannot exist within the galaxy just that if they do exist they would be stuck on their planet or system.

also while i don't totally rule out intelligent aliens i think that most likely any life that may exist out there would be limited to bacteria or simple organisms... why??? BECAUSE THE ODDS of abiogenesis happening even once is extremely unlikely add to that the unlikely occurrence of the intelligence and you have even more my reasons why i think most life would be very basic at best

You're not an alien though so how would you know? lol

 

[zzombie]

You're first post said they can't be on Earth....fine

you're 2nd post went further and said they are not in the galaxy. Correct?

like i said it's called attempting to clarifying myself so that i am not misunderstood. what cannot be in the galaxy is space traveling aliens that move faster than light speed. I AM NOT SAYING that aliens cannot exist within the galaxy just that if they do exist they would be stuck on their planet or system.

also while i don't totally rule out intelligent aliens i think that most likely any life that may exist out there would be limited to bacteria or simple organisms... why??? BECAUSE THE ODDS of abiogenesis happening even once is extremely unlikely add to that the unlikely occurrence of the intelligence and you have even more my reasons why i think most life would be very basic at best

You're not an alien though so how would you know? lol

because i know that certain laws of physics cannot be violated and from that knowledge i can extrapolate that aliens if they do exist are not traveling through space

 

[zzombie]

I am not saying humanity knows everything because we don't but we do know enough to make certain claims and prove certain truths that logically have consequences on what can and cannot be.

abiogenesis is something that some chemist and biologist have to fall back on to try and scientifically escape the need for intelligent design but i've studied the science behind it and it just does not come together very well, it's bullshit to me but FOR THERE TO BE alien civilizations then abiogenesis would have to be common and relatively easy to reproduce but since it's not then that fact lends credence to the femi-pradox and it's central idea that there exist barriers to life surviving long enough and being intelligent enough to eventually learn how to travel in space if such travel is possible in the first place

You don't believe in Abiogenesis, but try and use that theory to refute "alien" life possibility in our universe?

A lot of things in science are hard to reproduce, Abiogenesis is a lazy scientific theory atheist scientists use to eliminate God or a creator. And I am a Atheist.....Since Abiogenesis is just that a theory....a shaky one at that. We can't subscribe it to other planets or galaxies that MIGHT have alien life, it has no basis.

For there to be alien life then abiogenesis has to be real, since i think abiogenesis is bullshit then that means alien life is either non-existent or was created by god pansepermia does not solve the problem it only pushed the problem back

 

[not_osirus_jenkins]

There are aliens.

 

[zzombie]

There are aliens.

there are no aliens

 

[not_osirus_jenkins]

There are aliens.

there are no aliens

I disrespectfully disagree.

 

[Neophyte Wolfgang]

Abiogenesis and panspermia are both theories with holes in them.what limited incomplete knowledge we have about our origins can not be applied to the universe

 

[zzombie]

Abiogenesis and panspermia are both theories with holes in them.what limited incomplete knowledge we have about our origins can not be applied to the universe

look nigga happy holidays....i can't fuck with this shit right now so enjoy the weekend and i hope you meet those aliens you think exist because the only way you are going to see those fuckers is if you either get high or drunk as fuck.

 

[Neophyte Wolfgang]

I'm glad you came to your senses. Seeing aliens or not was never my point. Pondering if they exist in this vast universe is plausible. No shaky theory can that probably won't stand much longer can't be applied to the universe. As Einstein said we are in the infancy of science and most of these theories will not in my humble opinion hold up for another 100 years.science is just as dogmatic as religion.

 

[Inglewood_B]

16 pages of arguing for niggas to just end up basically at "I don't know. Go fuck yourself."

This thread could've been great if we had just went ahead with the fun reckless speculation talk instead.

 

[Neophyte Wolfgang]

16 pages of arguing for niggas to just end up basically at "I don't know. Go fuck yourself."

This thread could've been great if we had just went ahead with the fun reckless speculation talk instead.

And they told me to step my thread game up, this thread did numbers B)

 

[Neophyte Wolfgang]

Thread ain't gone disappear speculate let's go