Why I'm tired of hearing about 'that' civil rights movement

[Kwan Dai]

This is a must watch.

 

[Billy_Poncho]

I just hate when old people who didn't have shit to do with it take credit

 

[Kwan Dai]

I just hate when old people who didn't have shit to do with it take credit

Like who?

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I just hate when old people who didn't have shit to do with it take credit

Like who?

 

[Copper]

Robert Jebediah Freeman is a civil rights legend

 

[caddo man]

I just hate when old people who didn't have shit to do with it take credit

Like who?

As soon as I read it I thought of him.

Yo my pops is in that category. My grandmother told the truth. She was like, "I aint tryin to get my ass whooped out there. They did well without me."

 

[Plutarch]

I just hate when old people who didn't have shit to do with it take credit

it also irks me when i hear young black folk say, "we didn't suffer for 400 years to be blah blah." Word?

 

[jono]

I'm not gonna entertain this topic too much, it's been here for days and I read it but he needs to GTFOH.

You need to hear MORE about it. You need to talk about MLK's change of mission, you need to be discussing how it opened doors for other minorities, that stuff needs to be discussed way more than it is.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I'm not gonna entertain this topic too much, it's been here for days and I read it but he needs to GTFOH.

You need to hear MORE about it. You need to talk about MLK's change of mission, you need to be discussing how it opened doors for other minorities, that stuff needs to be discussed way more than it is.

I'm going to take it that you and some others didn't actually read the article or you kinda missed the point.

He's not suggesting that the Civil Rights Movement shouldn't be discussed anymore. You see how the "that" is in quotation marks in the title. He's saying that the Civil Rights Movement has been misrepresented and he's tired of hearing that altered version.

 

[Masterfultech]

I just hate when old people who didn't have shit to do with it take credit

it also irks me when i hear young black folk say, "we didn't suffer for 400 years to be blah blah." Word?

Is that not part of their heritage, so...they're not wrong.

 

[The Lonious Monk]

I wonder how this country would be right now if all the white people who didn't support the Civil Rights movement had dropped dead. Would America be paradise right now or would shit still be the same?

 

[Plutarch]

I wonder how this country would be right now if all the white people who didn't support the Civil Rights movement had dropped dead. Would America be paradise right now or would shit still be the same?

Paradises/utopias don't exist. don't matter the race or whatever, human beings will always find something to beef over. there are all-white neighborhoods and countries that are 99% sunni muslim, and they still have problems.

i always wonder about all of those racist white folk from the 40s-60s. many of them are still alive and unfortunately have kids who sometimes turn out just like them. they probably still haven't changed since those times and are still pieces of shit, but i kind of wonder what kind of people they are now if they have changed.

I just hate when old people who didn't have shit to do with it take credit

it also irks me when i hear young black folk say, "we didn't suffer for 400 years to be blah blah." Word?

Is that not part of their heritage, so...they're not wrong.

yes, but sometimes, it's not part of their heritage. all black Americans can't "claim" that.

but that's not exactly my point. my point is that it can be quite pretentious and/or disingenuous when, say, a 20 year old black kid identifies her "suffering" with the suffering faced by her "ancestors."

 

[Masterfultech]

I wonder how this country would be right now if all the white people who didn't support the Civil Rights movement had dropped dead. Would America be paradise right now or would shit still be the same?

Paradises/utopias don't exist. don't matter the race or whatever, human beings will always find something to beef over. there are all-white neighborhoods and countries that are 99% sunni muslim, and they still have problems.

i always wonder about all of those racist white folk from the 40s-60s. many of them are still alive and unfortunately have kids who sometimes turn out just like them. they probably still haven't changed since those times and are still pieces of shit, but i kind of wonder what kind of people they are now if they have changed.

I just hate when old people who didn't have shit to do with it take credit

it also irks me when i hear young black folk say, "we didn't suffer for 400 years to be blah blah." Word?

Is that not part of their heritage, so...they're not wrong.

yes, but sometimes, it's not part of their heritage. all black Americans can't "claim" that.

but that's not exactly my point. my point is that it can be quite pretentious and/or disingenuous when, say, a 20 year old black kid identifies her "suffering" with the suffering faced by her "ancestors."

See that's where you're wrong still...it's part of their cultural heritage/history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_heritage) and there is nothing wrong with Identifying with it as it is Black american history and even greater than that it's a part of Black history period. And while you may think his/her suffering differs...it still suffering under the institution of white supremacy.

 

[Plutarch]

See that's where you're wrong still...it's part of their cultural heritage/history (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_heritage) and there is nothing wrong with Identifying with it as it is Black american history

You're either misunderstanding me. Or you're understanding me, and I disagree. But I'm not necessarily saying that it isn't part of their (Black Americans) heritage. I'm saying that it might not be. If we're talking about cultural/national heritage, then isn't it reasonable to say that there are Black Americans who don't share that particular cultural heritage? For instance, black immigrants who now live in America whose cultural heritages lie outside of America?

and even greater than that it's a part of Black history period.

This may be another key point of disagreement between you and me because I don't think that I "believe" in a "Black history." Or the term "black" has to be clearly defined in way that I suspect will be different from the way you define it. I know that may seem unpopular, but I was never a big fan of race in the first place.

And while you may think his/her suffering differs...it still suffering under the institution of white supremacy.

Yes, today, a black kid can suffer under white supremacy, and black slaves suffered under white supremacy 400 years ago. But that's where the similarities could end, and for that reason, I wouldn't identify the two as closely as others might. Imo, such a generalization might not prove very relevant and can easily be bullshitted into some pretentious nonsense. And let's not forget that other nonblacks can also suffer under white supremacy. And that blacks can suffer under black supremacy. And so on and so on. I just don't like placing too much emphasis on generalizations.

 

[Masterfultech]

You're either misunderstanding me. Or you're understanding me, and I disagree. But I'm not necessarily saying that it isn't part of their (Black Americans) heritage. I'm saying that it might not be. If we're talking about cultural/national heritage, then isn't it reasonable to say that there are Black Americans who don't share that particular cultural heritage? For instance, black immigrants who now live in America whose cultural heritages lie outside of America?

Most immigrants to america identify their nationality/or different term,then their race.

ex:

Nigerian American

West Indian American

This may be another key point of disagreement between you and me because I don't think that I "believe" in a "Black history." Or the term "black" has to be clearly defined in way that I suspect will be different from the way you define it. I know that may seem unpopular, but I was never a big fan of race in the first place.

uhh...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people

Yes, today, a black kid can suffer under white supremacy, and black slaves suffered under white supremacy 400 years ago. But that's where the similarities could end, and for that reason, I wouldn't identify the two as closely as others might. Imo, such a generalization might not prove very relevant and can easily be bullshitted into some pretentious nonsense. And let's not forget that other nonblacks can also suffer under white supremacy. And that blacks can suffer under black supremacy. And so on and so on. I just don't like placing too much emphasis on generalizations.

^^This we're just going to disagree upon.

 

[Plutarch]

Most immigrants to america identify their nationality/or different term,then their race.

ex:

Nigerian American

West Indian American

I think that I understand what you're saying, and I agree. But I don't think that what I'm saying is necessarily wrong as well. There are black immigrants in America who identify themselves as Black Americans, especially 1.5 generation+ immigrants. They are identified as "black" but don't/can't claim the heritage that Black Americans claim. But you're right, I think that most black immigrants don't consider themselves Black Americans. Though I thought you said that wouldn't matter since every black person is "united" by black history regardless?

uhh...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_people

I'm not sure what the wikipedia article is supposed to prove. The article itself points to many instances where the term "black" is defined in vague, multiple, disputed, or arbitrary terms. And this is why I don't take the term "black people" very seriously. Ok, there's a wikipedia article on it, but that doesn't say much imo. I simply think that race is mostly bullshit.

^^This we're just going to disagree upon.

fair enough. i honestly think that we might just be splitting hairs here but meh.

 

[Masterfultech]

I'm not sure what the wikipedia article is supposed to prove. The article itself points to many instances where the term "black" is defined in vague, multiple, disputed, or arbitrary terms. And this is why I don't take the term "black people" very seriously. Ok, there's a wikipedia article on it, but that doesn't say much imo. I simply think that race is mostly bullshit.

Race is a social construct...we live in a society (large social groups). And you know whom i'm talking about when I say Black (Those of visible sub-saharan descent and those of similar phenotypes).

 

[kzzl]

And this is why integration does not and will not lead us further.

You cannot practice integration in a society that can't won't even educate people on the effects of racism cause folks are "tired of hearing about it". There's a thread in the Reason on how whites are trying to claim Hip Hop. And this shit is only going to get worst.

That "worst" will be our last chance probably. The term "black" is gonna have "conquered" as a defined term on wiki when it's over.

 

[lvke]

Ain't nobody give a damn about Justin Bieber. America traded him off for Canadian bacon and beer a long time ago.

 

[caddo man]

And this is why integration does not and will not lead us further.

You cannot practice integration in a society that can't won't even educate people on the effects of racism cause folks are "tired of hearing about it". There's a thread in the Reason on how whites are trying to claim Hip Hop. And this shit is only going to get worst.

That "worst" will be our last chance probably. The term "black" is gonna have "conquered" as a defined term on wiki when it's over.

Everybody is trying to claim something in hiphop. I heard a sorry on NPR that had some dude from Tibet try to say hip hop started with Tibetan chants. Really..........................