Why I Was Wrong About Atheism by Stefan Molyneux

[zzombie]

Like it or not he makes a good point the most secular and atheistic nations on earth are in western europe and their native populations are slowly dying the fuck off and low key they being invaded by muslims.

and don't get me started on japan although the Japanese aren't actually atheist in the way Europeans are the japanese are still largely an atheistic society and they coincidentally are also dying the fuck off

Japan is overcrowded anyway, apartments there are famous for being tiny. That's part of the reason the Japanese empire tried to expand back in the day. As far as societies being secular, that's not a big deal, societies that are non-religious are often more stable and have happier people compared to very religious nations.

Atheists and the secular have contributed greatly to societies around the world historically, people pro-creating less isn't that bad, the world doesn't have as many resources as you think it does. Desertification and global warming will create a lot of misery around the world in due time, it's slowly happening already.

lol japan isn't over crowded some cities in japan are overcrowded . You see IN THE west ( europe) there used to be a balance between religiosity and secularism that it took a long bloody time for the west to create this balance but now that the scales have been tipped too far in one direction western society has been made weak and now it is dying.

PLENTY atheist have contributed to society not as much as religious people but i do recognize atheist contributions however as we are seeing right now in Europe a society with no religion, no spirituality, no deep depth of being no way of seeing the world as anything beyond crude physical matter; will produce individuals that struggle to find purpose. Muslims, Christians, Hindus religious people in general have a purpose beyond ourselves and beyond this material world. Atheist do not.

overpopulation is a fucking MYTH it's a silly fucking creation of leftist and often has been used as an excuse to promote genocide. If anything overpopulation is a local problem and has nothing to do with the western and northern European nations i am talking about.

There is no way Berber north Africans would be raping white women in the middle of Germany if Germans still had a christian viewpoint or perspective of the world. I've told you before not having children is a sign of genetic inferiority one of the most powerful forces in all life is procreation if you don't have that desire then... your people, your genetic uniqueness will die

At the end of the day, nations can't take care of more and more growing amounts of people the way societies are built now, it's not a big deal if societies shrink a little in birthrates, immigration can make up for that anyway. And rape happens in all parts of the world, as horrible as it is, a nation being mostly Christian or religious doesn't stop rape from happening. Mexico and South Africa are mostly Christian nations and rape happens there as it happens in plenty of other religious nations.

Not having kids means nothing, not everyone wants to have kids and in many parts of the world, having kids is expensive and not worth the burden of all the other costs some people may have.

For the nations we are talking about the bold is flat out false, this is not fucking Congo and the nations we are talking about are not poor they are some of the richest nations on earth. The atheist nations in western and northern Europe are not just shrinking a little in birthrate THEIR NATIVE POPULATIONS ARE BEYOND REPLACEMENT LEVEL.

IMMIGRATION is exactly what they don't want because in this case immigration means death of your culture, if in the next 30 years half the population of Denmark is Arab then that means that the danish culture and people are lost.

Maybe you are not comprehending me. i brought up the brazen rapes of German women by Arab men that happened in Germany on new years eve because it's an example of a weakened nation. If Germany was still infused with stronger aspects of a christian culture those rapes by outsiders would either never have happened or they would have been avenged in self defense because a nation that is religious is more resilient against foreign religions,ideologies and people.

Not having kids means your genetics won't be passed on it means you have failed as an organism, and like the video says in our current leftist society when old people who had no kid still collect government benefits they are in essence stealing from the children of their peers who reproduced.

 

[CeLLaR-DooR]

Atheism is a cultural dead end

Ahh Zombie you're not one of those 'what's your moral barometer' people are you King

 

[zzombie]

Atheism is a cultural dead end

Ahh Zombie you're not one of those 'what's your moral barometer' people are you King

I don't get what you mean

 

[CeLLaR-DooR]

Atheism is a cultural dead end

Ahh Zombie you're not one of those 'what's your moral barometer' people are you King

I don't get what you mean

Like when people don't turt atheists because there's no higher bein' guidin' them. They believe atheists have nothin' from which to base their morals and are therefore not trustworthy

 

[The_Jackal]

Like it or not he makes a good point the most secular and atheistic nations on earth are in western europe and their native populations are slowly dying the fuck off and low key they being invaded by muslims.

and don't get me started on japan although the Japanese aren't actually atheist in the way Europeans are the japanese are still largely an atheistic society and they coincidentally are also dying the fuck off

Japan is overcrowded anyway, apartments there are famous for being tiny. That's part of the reason the Japanese empire tried to expand back in the day. As far as societies being secular, that's not a big deal, societies that are non-religious are often more stable and have happier people compared to very religious nations.

Atheists and the secular have contributed greatly to societies around the world historically, people pro-creating less isn't that bad, the world doesn't have as many resources as you think it does. Desertification and global warming will create a lot of misery around the world in due time, it's slowly happening already.

No. Japan was not overcroweded before WW1 or before WW2 and Japan is not overcrowded today. Though I dont agree with atheism being the reason why there population is seeing a decline.

Thats as bad as saying the US is overcrowed because you love in a metropolitan while ignorging the whole Midwest.

Most people in Japan want to live in the cities, so the major parts of Japan will be very overcrowded for a long time, and a huge part of Japan is made up of harsh mountains where it's hard to live on.

As far as Japan's empire in the 1940s, their businesses were running out of natural resources and raw materials in proportion to their population's size. They chose the wrong way to go about it obviously but sources show that was a motivation for their expansion.

That doesnt change the fact that in no way is Japan overcrowed.

As far as the second bolded stop that. Thats a complete falsehood. Japan number 1 reason and as Empreor Hirohito stated numerous times was that they were mandated to conqueor all of Asia.

It doesn't even make sense to even claim that resources and raw materials were the reason they entered the war since the invaded China at first which had zero amount of oil and China wasn't producing steel at a massive quantity at the time.

It wasnt even a problem that there buisnesses were running out of oil but that thier army was since FDR finally stopped selling them oil. Japan and Soviet Uniom had the most mechanized army behing USA.

 

[zzombie]

That video says things i have always said

I have always said that nations without religion of some sort are weak ones they will either be invaded or collapse.

In One scenario They will go through a few generations of prosperity and then they will be destroyed in some manner because they will begin to produce weaker individuals; people with less conviction and less strength to stand for what they believe is correct. Once a people won't fight,die or suffer for anything greater than their individual needs it's a wrap for them.

Another scenario is that the people will abandon their tradition religion and spirituality but in it's place will the state will fill the role that religion leaves open FOR example in communist Russia the government and people were officially atheist but they in essence worshiped the state in the the early days of the communist dictatorship they worshiped STALIN.

 

[zzombie]

Atheism is a cultural dead end

Ahh Zombie you're not one of those 'what's your moral barometer' people are you King

I don't get what you mean

Like when people don't turt atheists because there's no higher bein' guidin' them. They believe atheists have nothin' from which to base their morals and are therefore not trustworthy

Atheist can have morals but they are subjective so really and atheist morals are meaningless and me personally i wouldn't leave an atheist alone with my pet goldfish.

I don't hate atheist but i don't understand how they perceive right and wrong so they can have morals but.... but why should they

 

[CeLLaR-DooR]

Atheism is a cultural dead end

Ahh Zombie you're not one of those 'what's your moral barometer' people are you King

I don't get what you mean

Like when people don't turt atheists because there's no higher bein' guidin' them. They believe atheists have nothin' from which to base their morals and are therefore not trustworthy

Atheist can have morals but they are subjective so really and atheist morals are meaningless and me personally i wouldn't leave an atheist alone with my pet goldfish.

I don't hate atheist but i don't understand how they perceive right and wrong so they can have morals but.... but why should they

Ight one of my main gripes with this is that I believe God or whatever has to have a different moral compass from humans. Its the only way I could accept that It isn't evil, otherwise you're tellin' me this thing from which you're gettin' your morals allows and has allowed countless atrocities to go occur. I can understand when people say 'God works in mysterious ways' or 'we're beyond his comprehension or good and evil' I'm cool with that. But then why should I base my morals on what he says?

 

[zzombie]

Atheism is a cultural dead end

Ahh Zombie you're not one of those 'what's your moral barometer' people are you King

I don't get what you mean

Like when people don't turt atheists because there's no higher bein' guidin' them. They believe atheists have nothin' from which to base their morals and are therefore not trustworthy

Atheist can have morals but they are subjective so really and atheist morals are meaningless and me personally i wouldn't leave an atheist alone with my pet goldfish.

I don't hate atheist but i don't understand how they perceive right and wrong so they can have morals but.... but why should they

Ight one of my main gripes with this is that I believe God or whatever has to have a different moral compass from humans. Its the only way I could accept that It isn't evil, otherwise you're tellin' me this thing from which you're gettin' your morals allows and has allowed countless atrocities to go occur. I can understand when people say 'God works in mysterious ways' or 'we're beyond his comprehension or good and evil' I'm cool with that. But then why should I base my morals on what he says?

are you saying that you think that god judges everyone differently???? because you are somewhat correct because only he knows your heart. However he does have standards and where you fall with him will depend on your personal relationship with him

 

[LUClEN]

His reasoning is terrible.

He claims that those on the left, many of whom reject theism, coerce adherence to law and regulation by the force of the state rather than by the word of god, like the religious right. Yet Christianity spent most of its history destroying and brutalizing foreign nations all in the name of some invisible man in the sky. As a White dude he can say that shit without any context, but I could never be so naive to put a love of capitalism over my rejection of religious colonialism and the resulting subjugation and racial hierarchies that developed out of it.

The Pope went to Hispania and split the world in half, saying the pork and cheese get the east and the Spanish get the West. This is the kind of shit you accept, because they believe in lower taxes? Gtfo.

that is only part of what he is saying and it's not even the greater part

It's a supporting argument though. If the claims he makes to support his conclusion are invalid then his conclusion is too.

Your country killed a ton of Christians in my country after freeing yourselves of colonial rule. How can you defend Christianity when it was used to put us in chains?

 

[zzombie]

His reasoning is terrible.

He claims that those on the left, many of whom reject theism, coerce adherence to law and regulation by the force of the state rather than by the word of god, like the religious right. Yet Christianity spent most of its history destroying and brutalizing foreign nations all in the name of some invisible man in the sky. As a White dude he can say that shit without any context, but I could never be so naive to put a love of capitalism over my rejection of religious colonialism and the resulting subjugation and racial hierarchies that developed out of it.

The Pope went to Hispania and split the world in half, saying the pork and cheese get the east and the Spanish get the West. This is the kind of shit you accept, because they believe in lower taxes? Gtfo.

that is only part of what he is saying and it's not even the greater part

It's a supporting argument though. If the claims he makes to support his conclusion are invalid then his conclusion is too.

Your country killed a ton of Christians in my country after freeing yourselves of colonial rule. How can you defend Christianity when it was used to put us in chains?

That's just one of the arguments made, also nothing was invalid about his argument because he's not defending Christianity he's talking about the effects of Christianity on western society.

And how the lack of it has effected society and psychology therefore making the west leftist, less free and weak.

 

[alissowack]

@LUClEN Christianity is not what the tragedies of history have made it. The perspectives of the oppressors using Christainity was this...the Bible is a book that tells you how to live your life and because it's from God, you should do it...meaning, they read the "rules" thinking that was the primary focus. And because it was the primary focus, they felt like it was their divine duty to go around enforcing the rules. But if they knew the truth, they would have seen that the rules can't save anybody.

 

[kingblaze84]

Like it or not he makes a good point the most secular and atheistic nations on earth are in western europe and their native populations are slowly dying the fuck off and low key they being invaded by muslims.

and don't get me started on japan although the Japanese aren't actually atheist in the way Europeans are the japanese are still largely an atheistic society and they coincidentally are also dying the fuck off

Japan is overcrowded anyway, apartments there are famous for being tiny. That's part of the reason the Japanese empire tried to expand back in the day. As far as societies being secular, that's not a big deal, societies that are non-religious are often more stable and have happier people compared to very religious nations.

Atheists and the secular have contributed greatly to societies around the world historically, people pro-creating less isn't that bad, the world doesn't have as many resources as you think it does. Desertification and global warming will create a lot of misery around the world in due time, it's slowly happening already.

lol japan isn't over crowded some cities in japan are overcrowded . You see IN THE west ( europe) there used to be a balance between religiosity and secularism that it took a long bloody time for the west to create this balance but now that the scales have been tipped too far in one direction western society has been made weak and now it is dying.

PLENTY atheist have contributed to society not as much as religious people but i do recognize atheist contributions however as we are seeing right now in Europe a society with no religion, no spirituality, no deep depth of being no way of seeing the world as anything beyond crude physical matter; will produce individuals that struggle to find purpose. Muslims, Christians, Hindus religious people in general have a purpose beyond ourselves and beyond this material world. Atheist do not.

overpopulation is a fucking MYTH it's a silly fucking creation of leftist and often has been used as an excuse to promote genocide. If anything overpopulation is a local problem and has nothing to do with the western and northern European nations i am talking about.

There is no way Berber north Africans would be raping white women in the middle of Germany if Germans still had a christian viewpoint or perspective of the world. I've told you before not having children is a sign of genetic inferiority one of the most powerful forces in all life is procreation if you don't have that desire then... your people, your genetic uniqueness will die

At the end of the day, nations can't take care of more and more growing amounts of people the way societies are built now, it's not a big deal if societies shrink a little in birthrates, immigration can make up for that anyway. And rape happens in all parts of the world, as horrible as it is, a nation being mostly Christian or religious doesn't stop rape from happening. Mexico and South Africa are mostly Christian nations and rape happens there as it happens in plenty of other religious nations.

Not having kids means nothing, not everyone wants to have kids and in many parts of the world, having kids is expensive and not worth the burden of all the other costs some people may have.

For the nations we are talking about the bold is flat out false, this is not fucking Congo and the nations we are talking about are not poor they are some of the richest nations on earth. The atheist nations in western and northern Europe are not just shrinking a little in birthrate THEIR NATIVE POPULATIONS ARE BEYOND REPLACEMENT LEVEL.

IMMIGRATION is exactly what they don't want because in this case immigration means death of your culture, if in the next 30 years half the population of Denmark is Arab then that means that the danish culture and people are lost.

Maybe you are not comprehending me. i brought up the brazen rapes of German women by Arab men that happened in Germany on new years eve because it's an example of a weakened nation. If Germany was still infused with stronger aspects of a christian culture those rapes by outsiders would either never have happened or they would have been avenged in self defense because a nation that is religious is more resilient against foreign religions,ideologies and people.

Not having kids means your genetics won't be passed on it means you have failed as an organism, and like the video says in our current leftist society when old people who had no kid still collect government benefits they are in essence stealing from the children of their peers who reproduced.

If people don't want to have kids, that's not a big deal, many scientists now agree that once Earth reaches 9-10 billion people, Earth's resources will be at a severe strain. We're at 7 billion now and plenty of nations are unable to take care of their people. Pollution and global warming will only add to the problem, I don't see the big deal about people having kids less.

As far as some Arabs raping European women, yeah that's bad but once again, rape happens all over the world. It doesn't matter if it's Arabs doing it or any other people. Rapes happen a lot in Christian nations, so your logic isn't making any sense., Many Germans and others have already avenged the rapes of some of their women, facilities and buses housing migrants have been burned and destroyed several times. Not saying that's good but people in the west aren't exactly laying down. Christians have acted in barbaric ways towards others historically anyway, including other Christians. Good riddance to Christianity losing so much influence, hallelujah to that.
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/many-people-earth-actually-hold-161120761.html

But even if we assume a more even distribution across the world, many experts believe that the situation here on Earth will start looking grave once the human population reaches the 9-10 billion mark.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

did anybody actually watch the whole video????

I watched the whole video, but the dramatic way he presented his thoughts drained all the energy I had for this thread.

 

[zzombie]

Like it or not he makes a good point the most secular and atheistic nations on earth are in western europe and their native populations are slowly dying the fuck off and low key they being invaded by muslims.

and don't get me started on japan although the Japanese aren't actually atheist in the way Europeans are the japanese are still largely an atheistic society and they coincidentally are also dying the fuck off

Japan is overcrowded anyway, apartments there are famous for being tiny. That's part of the reason the Japanese empire tried to expand back in the day. As far as societies being secular, that's not a big deal, societies that are non-religious are often more stable and have happier people compared to very religious nations.

Atheists and the secular have contributed greatly to societies around the world historically, people pro-creating less isn't that bad, the world doesn't have as many resources as you think it does. Desertification and global warming will create a lot of misery around the world in due time, it's slowly happening already.

lol japan isn't over crowded some cities in japan are overcrowded . You see IN THE west ( europe) there used to be a balance between religiosity and secularism that it took a long bloody time for the west to create this balance but now that the scales have been tipped too far in one direction western society has been made weak and now it is dying.

PLENTY atheist have contributed to society not as much as religious people but i do recognize atheist contributions however as we are seeing right now in Europe a society with no religion, no spirituality, no deep depth of being no way of seeing the world as anything beyond crude physical matter; will produce individuals that struggle to find purpose. Muslims, Christians, Hindus religious people in general have a purpose beyond ourselves and beyond this material world. Atheist do not.

overpopulation is a fucking MYTH it's a silly fucking creation of leftist and often has been used as an excuse to promote genocide. If anything overpopulation is a local problem and has nothing to do with the western and northern European nations i am talking about.

There is no way Berber north Africans would be raping white women in the middle of Germany if Germans still had a christian viewpoint or perspective of the world. I've told you before not having children is a sign of genetic inferiority one of the most powerful forces in all life is procreation if you don't have that desire then... your people, your genetic uniqueness will die

At the end of the day, nations can't take care of more and more growing amounts of people the way societies are built now, it's not a big deal if societies shrink a little in birthrates, immigration can make up for that anyway. And rape happens in all parts of the world, as horrible as it is, a nation being mostly Christian or religious doesn't stop rape from happening. Mexico and South Africa are mostly Christian nations and rape happens there as it happens in plenty of other religious nations.

Not having kids means nothing, not everyone wants to have kids and in many parts of the world, having kids is expensive and not worth the burden of all the other costs some people may have.

For the nations we are talking about the bold is flat out false, this is not fucking Congo and the nations we are talking about are not poor they are some of the richest nations on earth. The atheist nations in western and northern Europe are not just shrinking a little in birthrate THEIR NATIVE POPULATIONS ARE BEYOND REPLACEMENT LEVEL.

IMMIGRATION is exactly what they don't want because in this case immigration means death of your culture, if in the next 30 years half the population of Denmark is Arab then that means that the danish culture and people are lost.

Maybe you are not comprehending me. i brought up the brazen rapes of German women by Arab men that happened in Germany on new years eve because it's an example of a weakened nation. If Germany was still infused with stronger aspects of a christian culture those rapes by outsiders would either never have happened or they would have been avenged in self defense because a nation that is religious is more resilient against foreign religions,ideologies and people.

Not having kids means your genetics won't be passed on it means you have failed as an organism, and like the video says in our current leftist society when old people who had no kid still collect government benefits they are in essence stealing from the children of their peers who reproduced.

If people don't want to have kids, that's not a big deal, many scientists now agree that once Earth reaches 9-10 billion people, Earth's resources will be at a severe strain. We're at 7 billion now and plenty of nations are unable to take care of their people. Pollution and global warming will only add to the problem, I don't see the big deal about people having kids less.

As far as some Arabs raping European women, yeah that's bad but once again, rape happens all over the world. It doesn't matter if it's Arabs doing it or any other people. Rapes happen a lot in Christian nations, so your logic isn't making any sense., Many Germans and others have already avenged the rapes of some of their women, facilities and buses housing migrants have been burned and destroyed several times. Not saying that's good but people in the west aren't exactly laying down. Christians have acted in barbaric ways towards others historically anyway, including other Christians. Good riddance to Christianity losing so much influence, hallelujah to that.
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/many-people-earth-actually-hold-161120761.html

But even if we assume a more even distribution across the world, many experts believe that the situation here on Earth will start looking grave once the human population reaches the 9-10 billion mark.

Your brain dead ass missed the whole point about the rape I don't know why I even bother with you.

And scientists have been misleading people about overpopulation for over 100 years already, only inferior members of a species fail to procreate

Europe contines to be flooded with muslims so they haven't Avenged anything

 

[Ajackson17]

Zombie you are just more worried about the rising power of Islam.

 

[zzombie]

Zombie you are just more worried about the rising power of Islam.

The rise of atheism is more problematic because without Christianity there will be no stopping the Islamic invasion of the west. So all those atheist and leftist are just fools waiting to die. If not for this over secularism in the west Muslim's wouldn't be blowing innocent people Up

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

Atheism is a cultural dead end

Ahh Zombie you're not one of those 'what's your moral barometer' people are you King

I don't get what you mean

Like when people don't turt atheists because there's no higher bein' guidin' them. They believe atheists have nothin' from which to base their morals and are therefore not trustworthy

Atheist can have morals but they are subjective so really and atheist morals are meaningless and me personally i wouldn't leave an atheist alone with my pet goldfish.

I don't hate atheist but i don't understand how they perceive right and wrong so they can have morals but.... but why should they

Everything is subjective, which is the reason for conflict. Misoverstanding religion is one of the worst things you can do. Religion is a power grab created by man to push an agenda. Originally, it seemed to be created to teach non-intellectuals the ways of the world, as some people need something to hold onto. People can't be good for the sake of being good for whatever reason, never really understood it because, religion was never able to hold someone with my view on life. In any case, all religious texts are made up of folklore or parables which help the recipients grasp useful concepts for sustainability.

Atheists seem to follow a golden rule theory. "Treat others the way you want to be treated" or a good karma, bad karma approach. That is how they perceive right and wrong in a nutshell. A lot of them are pushed away from religion and denounce it completely due to the clear hypocrisy or selective use that is practiced by the mascots of said religion. For someone like me, religion could never be applied because it always gave off a bully scenario on some, if you don't listen, said higher power will make you pay. The way I respond to that is, "well let's get it then." People like myself don't live our lives in fear and will not be bullied, so that logic used to describe some religious higher power never registered.

 

[zzombie]

Atheism is a cultural dead end

Ahh Zombie you're not one of those 'what's your moral barometer' people are you King

I don't get what you mean

Like when people don't turt atheists because there's no higher bein' guidin' them. They believe atheists have nothin' from which to base their morals and are therefore not trustworthy

Atheist can have morals but they are subjective so really and atheist morals are meaningless and me personally i wouldn't leave an atheist alone with my pet goldfish.

I don't hate atheist but i don't understand how they perceive right and wrong so they can have morals but.... but why should they

Everything is subjective, which is the reason for conflict. Misoverstanding religion is one of the worst things you can do. Religion is a power grab created by man to push an agenda. Originally, it seemed to be created to teach non-intellectuals the ways of the world, as some people need something to hold onto. People can't be good for the sake of being good for whatever reason, never really understood it because, religion was never able to hold someone with my view on life. In any case, all religious texts are made up of folklore or parables which help the recipients grasp useful concepts for sustainability.

Atheists seem to follow a golden rule theory. "Treat others the way you want to be treated" or a good karma, bad karma approach. That is how they perceive right and wrong in a nutshell. A lot of them are pushed away from religion and denounce it completely due to the clear hypocrisy or selective use that is practiced by the mascots of said religion. For someone like me, religion could never be applied because it always gave off a bully scenario on some, if you don't listen, said higher power will make you pay. The way I respond to that is, "well let's get it then." People like myself don't live our lives in fear and will not be bullied, so that logic used to describe some religious higher power never registered.

Everything is not subjective and that is The fundamental philosophical difference between atheist and theist.

And all that you wrote is irrelevant to the arguments I've made in this thread it doesn't matter if god exists or not what matters is if people believe in their religion or not. Your personal beliefs are also irrelevant watch the video

 

[zzombie]

When Islam takes over those soft weak western European nations let's see how much muslims give a fuck about how you atheist feel