why exactly should i respect the U.S military over the al qaeda?

[And Step]

Uh because the Army TYPICALLY follows a rule of war to not attack civillians.

Whereas killing and endangering the lives of civillians is the gameplan and to some the GOAL of Al Qaeda operations.

And that isn't some brainwashing, you fucks. They've said it themselves.

Right so I guess all those civilians in Panama, Grenada, Iraq, and the Pharmaceutical plant in the Sudan, or the Blacks in Tulsa from US planes that were killed are not covered up under " TYPICALLY" ?

SMH, at heartless, hypocritical, diseased logic, mofo's who think just because you live anywhere else than in a white neighborhood in the US that your life is not "really" a life.

 

[And Step]

You mean like dropping an A bomb on hundreds of thousands of people.... TWICE... just because they got their asses handed to them in hawaii?

LOL. How did we forget that one, Chike.

Close thread.

 

[janklow]

American foreign policy is borderline evil-

it seems to me that Al-Qaeda's wouldn't be any better if they had the same resources.

The USA military kills civilians at will, just ask Pakistan and Afghanistan. The govt says it's by accident, but if you're blowing up a whole village and town, common sense should say you knew civilians are being murked, women and kids.

except that...

a) the US is not blowing up whole villages and towns in the manner that you say;

b) you're further taking the unfair and unsupportable position that accidents NEVER happen;

c) the insurgents also kill scores of civilians, but are not being faulted in any way

Right so I guess all those civilians in Panama, Grenada, Iraq, and the Pharmaceutical plant in the Sudan, or the Blacks in Tulsa from US planes that were killed are not covered up under " TYPICALLY" ?

wait... Grenada was what, 24 civilian deaths?

also i don't know why Tulsa came into this since i don't think that was a legitimate military operation.

 

[blakfyahking]

i stayed telling kids to get the fuck away from me, all them niggas trying to get friendly with the kids, giving them water and shit, fuck that, i wasn't bout to let one of them throw a damn grenade in the back of my Humvee.

muhfukas out there throwing footballs with them getting friendly and complacent. fuck............ that..... shit...

ya'll aint see these muhfuckas man, the adults all had shifty eyes and looked like they were up to no good, it's kinda hard to distinguish friend or foe when they don't abide by our rules when we convoying. IF i tell you 2 twice to back off the bumper of the truck while we doing 60 down the highway, best believe there wasn't a 3rd time.

who the hell drives full speed at a muhfuka holding a M249? aint nobody going home happy lmao!

yeah that happened to me

 

[kingblaze84]

it seems to me that Al-Qaeda's wouldn't be any better if they had the same resources.

except that...
a) the US is not blowing up whole villages and towns in the manner that you say;
b) you're further taking the unfair and unsupportable position that accidents NEVER happen;
c) the insurgents also kill scores of civilians, but are not being faulted in any way

wait... Grenada was what, 24 civilian deaths?
also i don't know why Tulsa came into this since i don't think that was a legitimate military operation.

Um, we are blowing up whole towns and villages in Pakistan and Afghanistan. Do you realize the amount of refugees coming from those countries because of our endless wars there? Do some research and you will see what I'm saying, the drone attacks are beyond destructive to civilians. I'm not saying Al-Qaeda is any better, I don't respect Al-Qaeda at ALL. However, as I've said before, I do understand their anger at American foreign policy, which is the main reason so many in the Middle East want us killed. We can dismantle Al-Qaeda much more efficiently if we change our foreign policy or at a minimum, reduce the amount of troops in the Middle East. Having thousands of troops in the Middle East is not bringing us peace, ask the 30 troops who got blown up last Saturday in Afghanistan how much peace it's brought us.

**Michael Jackson voice** It's time to make a change.

 

[VulcanRaven]

Just another sissified pacificst spewing nonsense. IMO you need to be bitch slapped.

Only the civil war had a purpose.I am far from a pacifist,but provoking wars that could be avoided is stupid.Also you would not be able to bitch slap me yourself because I would knock the old age out of you.

 

[And Step]

a) the US is not blowing up whole villages and towns in the manner that you say;

This is not true in the past or present.

you're further taking the unfair and unsupportable position that accidents NEVER happen

LOL. This type of diseased thinking is why globally people look at the US with an increasing hatred.

) the insurgents also kill scores of civilians, but are not being faulted in any way

As well as they shouldn't. If you had not been there killing people then there would be no need for all of this. Same thing with Iraq. There was no civil war or people blowing up churches and mosque before you got there.(Not you, but since you are playing the spokesperson)
Insurgents? LOLOLOL. How are you an insurgent in a country that is yours and you are fighting an aggressor? That is like me commandeering your house and you trying to get it back and I call you an insurgent. Janklow let me share something with you; just because the State department releases a report does not mean that the cause is right, just, or moral.

wait... Grenada was what, 24 civilian deaths?
also i don't know why Tulsa came into this since i don't think that was a legitimate military operation.

hahahahahah. There were more Cubans killed in Grenada than that. You should talk to someone who lived there during that time period and get there take. But I digress, what number of people killed in a CIA sponsored coup would make it legitimate for you?

Tulsa came in because the little homey was talking about the practice of killing civilians. I slid in a couple examples of the US doing so. Tulsa was just a great example to drive my point home. And thanks for highlighting that it was not a legitimate military action but a case of the Gov't dropping bombs on it's own citizen(the only time) because they were Black. Which makes it even more heinous.

 

[young law]

this reminds me of when Mos Def got fucking sonned on Bill Maher's show

[video=youtube;-Ew9CngVeFA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ew9CngVeFA[/video]

got dayum

this was tense

i kinda felt bad for mos.

 

[young law]

and
i thought al qaeda didnt exist

 

[blakfyahking]

this reminds me of when Mos Def got fucking sonned on Bill Maher's show

[video=youtube;-Ew9CngVeFA]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ew9CngVeFA[/video]

damn they made this nigga look kinda stupid SMH

it was obvious he didn't know what he was talking about

 

[young law]

damn they made this nigga look kinda stupid SMH

it was obvious he didn't know what he was talking about

its not so much he didnt know what he was talkin about but how they were talkin about it.

i feel mos was speaking from the perspective of those who dont belive the hype & my fellow tin foil hat wearers while they were speakin from the perspective of people who are in the machine and/or regurgitate what the machine gives them

 

[DarkRaiden]

Cause Al Qaeda don't exist. That's just Bush n them. Taliban is the niggas who's Afghanistan's real soldiers. Besides that a soldier is the same as a terrorist just different POV.

 

[NothingButTheTruth]

got dayum
this was tense
i kinda felt bad for mos.

damn they made this nigga look kinda stupid SMH

it was obvious he didn't know what he was talking about

Mos clearly held his own. He stuck to his point, while those other dudes were attacking him personally. Usually when someone does that, that means they're losing the debate.

its not so much he didnt know what he was talkin about but how they were talkin about it.

i feel mos was speaking from the perspective of those who dont belive the hype & my fellow tin foil hat wearers while they were speakin from the perspective of people who are in the machine and/or regurgitate what the machine gives them

Exactly, and then they started attacking him personally and/or saying stuff that had absolutely nothing to do with the topic at hand.

 

[vikktor]

Uh because the Army TYPICALLY follows a rule of war to not attack civillians.

Whereas killing and endangering the lives of civillians is the gameplan and to some the GOAL of Al Qaeda operations.

And that isn't some brainwashing, you fucks. They've said it themselves.

That was exactly what I was thinking, the US may at times accidentally kill civilians, but Al Queda uses tactics like suicide bombings on thier own civilians some times ... al queda uses peoples faith to fight ... if they had their way, we would not be able to sit her and chat on a website that may have some pic of some hot chicks or not islam centric.

ALSO ... those so called freedom fighters, do not have very much to loose ... so ...ofcourse they will be ready to fight ....

American troops have more comfortable lives, and leave that to go to some foriegn land to fight people who claim to fight for freedom, but really fight for CONTROL !!!!!

 

[And Step]

got dayum
this was tense

i kinda felt bad for mos.

Mos Def didn't do his homework. He shouldn't be asking dudes with axes to grind against religion and Muslims for clarity on others' position. A Jew, Atheist, and anti-Muslim Persian. LOL. Mos Def should have saw it coming.

 

[blakfyahking]

its not so much he didnt know what he was talkin about but how they were talkin about it.

i feel mos was speaking from the perspective of those who dont belive the hype & my fellow tin foil hat wearers while they were speakin from the perspective of people who are in the machine and/or regurgitate what the machine gives them

bruh he was talmbout what was the political goals of al qaeda and the taliban like they weren't already specific and clear

and nah he didn't say anything inaccurate, but he did appear to be unsure of what he was talking about

he should've came with his shit tighter than that, especially cause he should've known they were going to try to play him off as just a conscious "rapper"

 

[Swiffness!]

Who's more likely to kill YOU, a nigga sittin behind his computer in the U.S mainland, U.S military or Al Qaeda? lol we're talking U.S military, not The Police here.

unless shit gets super-real in the near future, i'd say A.Q. (granted, you're more likely to die from a Double Down sandwich, but you fuck around and be on the wrong subway car the wrong day....)

and u conspiracy niggas can eat a dick w/ a tin foil hat on it

 

[And Step]

Well, I guess it depends on who you are. If your young, black, and male it is either going to be US Military, El negro, or Al Cracka.

Let's not forget many niggas died over bullshit in military operations. If my cousins and sister in law die in Iraq and Afghanistan over some bullshit that doesn't benefit them, whose fault is that?

 

[janklow]

Um, we are blowing up whole towns and villages in Pakistan and Afghanistan.

maybe you better define "blowing up whole towns and villages," then

Do you realize the amount of refugees coming from those countries because of our endless wars there?

somehow i don't think we are at endless war in Pakistan and running scores of refugees out of it. as for Afghanistan... are we saying that refugees there are ONLY about the US and ONLY started in 2001?

Do some research and you will see what I'm saying-

what did we say about this

-the drone attacks are beyond destructive to civilians.

however, a drone attack is not blowing up an entire town or village. so are we talking about drone attacks here?

However, as I've said before, I do understand their anger at American foreign policy, which is the main reason so many in the Middle East want us killed.

however, let's be clear about this: their anger also includes things like "Saudi Arabia embarassed us by letting the US handle the first Gulf War." things like this i don't consider as understandable.

We can dismantle Al-Qaeda much more efficiently if we change our foreign policy or at a minimum, reduce the amount of troops in the Middle East.

well, yes, i agree that addressing Al-Qaeda is not being done efficiently with massive amounts of troops. that might be the limit of our agreement, though.

This is not true in the past or present.

since he hasn't defined what he's saying, it's not true or untrue. but don't tell me that kingblaze doesn't exaggerate for effect. and since we know he does (i mean, that's his style of debate), then don't expect me to take those remarks as literally true.

LOL. This type of diseased thinking is why globally people look at the US with an increasing hatred.

it's "diseased thinking" to think that accidents DO legitimately happen? i guess this is the point where we stop debating this seriously, right?

As well as they shouldn't. If you had not been there killing people then there would be no need for all of this.

let's not pretend that people would immediately stop killing civilians in Afghanistan if the US wasn't there.

Insurgents? LOLOLOL. How are you an insurgent in a country that is yours and you are fighting an aggressor?

we can just start with the people who are not from Afghanistan. then there's this part: unless the US has annexed Afghanistan, there's still an Afghan state that you'd be fighting against.

hahahahahah. There were more Cubans killed in Grenada than that.

Cubans not being from Grenada, i wouldn't call them civilians there, would i?

Tulsa came in because the little homey was talking about the practice of killing civilians. I slid in a couple examples of the US doing so.

thing is, he's talking about the US military killing civilians with military action; this is yet another time you have thrown in the Tulsa thing, and then seemed perplexed as to why i think it's off topic. not getting the confusion.

 

[quiet1]

Fuck the military in this battle. I hope we get the fuck out of there & i dont feel sorry for anyone in that shit who signed up, they should have known was going to fight in a fraudulent war.
Al-queda is no threat to us anyway.

American troops have more comfortable lives, and leave that to go to some foriegn land to fight people who claim to fight for freedom, but really fight for CONTROL !!!!!

A.K.A.: stupidity.
Anyway These niggas are fighting for control too