Why Don't People Want Usher To Grow Up??

[Yung_Souf_Money]

let the man live

 

[rapmastermind]

Why do people equate boring with being grown???Because that's exactly what Here I Stand was boring nothing grown up about that shit.

Co-signs, I understand why "Here I Stand" barely went Platinum. There were some weak songs on there, Usher was clearly not in his zone on that record:

Raymond Vs Raymond > Here I Stand

And that's not saying much. Usher's last two have been pretty forgettable sadly and I love Usher but he needs to step it up. "Raymond Vs Raymond" was a step in the right direction but he's not quite there yet. I love "OMG" though, I think that's going to be a #1 single cause it's tearing the clubs up, it's the perfect club record. Will I am killed that beat.

 

[rapmastermind]

I just checked the Billboard and looks like I was right, "OMG" is now #6 on the charts and it's climbing fast. Damn, Black Eye Peas cannot be stopped. They gave Usher a banger, that could of easily been a BEP song but it works for Usher. I heard it in the club the other night and I hit the dance floor fast. That song is the perfect club record cause it really gets you moving and the chours is dope. I hope Usher shocks some of the haters and this song go #1 cause everyone thought "Papers", "Hey Daddy" and "Lil Freak" were better singles that should of gone #1 but they didn't. "OMG" is now the most successful single from the album. Usher going for his 9th #1 song.

 

[Miltown Marauder]

but that's the thing, yeah, Here I Stand might of been pretty weak, but I'm talking as far as CONTENT. The title song to "Here I Stand" is by far Top 5 Usher songs of all time. How many bullshit "club bangers" are you going to keep creating? "OMG"? Come on now, get off that!

 

[quietaskept]

but that's the thing, yeah, Here I Stand might of been pretty weak, but I'm talking as far as CONTENT. The title song to "Here I Stand" is by far Top 5 Usher songs of all time. How many bullshit "club bangers" are you going to keep creating? "OMG"? Come on now, get off that!

Well, he should make an album with good content that doesn't bore us to death. Here I Stand just wasn't good to me. I often go and listen to it again when someone says it was a great album, but I still have the same opinion. He shouldn't go with club bangers either. There can be a happy medium, i.e Maxwell.

 

[Mrslim1]

Well, he should make an album with good content that doesn't bore us to death. Here I Stand just wasn't good to me. I often go and listen to it again when someone says it was a great album, but I still have the same opinion. He shouldn't go with club bangers either. There can be a happy medium, i.e Maxwell.

Usher is not as MUSICALLY talented as Maxwell. Maxwell always made a sophisticated brand of music. Urban Hang Suite was made by a 23 year old Maxwell. Usher is looking for hits , Maxwell is making music that comes from the heart and stands the test of time. Usher cant do what Maxwell does he aint that good

 

[quietaskept]

Usher is not as MUSICALLY talented as Maxwell. Maxwell always made a sophisticated brand of music. Urban Hang Suite was made by a 23 year old Maxwell. Usher is looking for hits , Maxwell is making music that comes from the heart and stands the test of time. Usher cant do what Maxwell does he aint that good

lol
Yeah I know, but I just mentioned Maxwell to say it is possible that music can be made with both content and excitement.

 

[Mrslim1]

lol
Yeah I know, but I just mentioned Maxwell to say it is possible that music can be made with both content and excitement.

Oh ok . Well if Usher actually was a songwriter I think he could do both. A true artist has integrity and because Usher has 0 songwriting ability and musical talent outside of singing , he is just a puppet waiting for a team of songwriters to write him a hit.

 

[blackrain]

Oh ok . Well if Usher actually was a songwriter I think he could do both. A true artist has integrity and because Usher has 0 songwriting ability and musical talent outside of singing , he is just a puppet waiting for a team of songwriters to write him a hit.

you know how many great singers didn't write their own songs...if you got that attitude then I guess you discount the artistic integrity of the majority of Motown artist cuz few of them wrote their own music...and as far as Usher it's not that he got married cuz women had no issue when he was dating Chilli...it's who he got married to that fucked his career up...his female fans turned on him cuz they didn't approve of the woman he married...if he married Chilli Here I Stand woulda sold millions too

 

[Mrslim1]

you know how many great singers didn't write their own songs...if you got that attitude then I guess you discount the artistic integrity of the majority of Motown artist cuz few of them wrote their own music...and as far as Usher it's not that he got married cuz women had no issue when he was dating Chilli...it's who he got married to that fucked his career up...his female fans turned on him cuz they didn't approve of the woman he married...if he married Chilli Here I Stand woulda sold millions too

But main different between the Motown artist and artist like Usher is that even though the Temptaions etc didn't write alot of songs , they were musically inclined , they played instrument , harmonized etc . Marvin Gaye was in the house band for Motown before he got his break. I know that Holland Dozier Holland wrote alot of material for the those acts but those acts also were able to write their own material , read the music they were given etc. You give Usher a piece of sheet music he will shit in his pants With that Motown artist still wrote more than Usher did

 

[blackrain]

But main different between the Motown artist and artist like Usher is that even though the Temptaions etc didn't write alot of songs , they were musically inclined , they played instrument , harmonized etc . Marvin Gaye was in the house band for Motown before he got his break. I know that Holland Dozier Holland wrote alot of material for the those acts but those acts also were able to write their own material , read the music they were given etc. You give Usher a piece of sheet music he will shit in his pants With that Motown artist still wrote more than Usher did

and how do you know Usher doesn't know music? You been in the studio with him? You really think all this time he's been making music he hasn't picked up ANY musical talent?

 

[Mrslim1]

and how do you know Usher doesn't know music? You been in the studio with him? You really think all this time he's been making music he hasn't picked up ANY musical talent?

Do you listen to his music at all ? A person with musical talent , real musical talent wouldn't make these mediocre ass songs like he does. Have you ever heard of an Usher produced track ? Usher has been in the game or years and I am sure by this time he should have some type of artistic freedom. If you can find a clip of him playing an instrument or a hit that he has written let me know . But you are right I dont know for sure . If he does and he is coming up with this bs that makes him even more weak.

 

[blackrain]

Do you listen to his music at all ? A person with musical talent , real musical talent wouldn't make these mediocre ass songs like he does. Have you ever heard of an Usher produced track ? Usher has been in the game or years and I am sure by this time he should have some type of artistic freedom. If you can find a clip of him playing an instrument or a hit that he has written let me know . But you are right I dont know for sure . If he does and he is coming up with this bs that makes him even more weak.

@ the bolded..exactly you're going off you're own speculation...im sure certain artist you love aren't the best writers or producers either...I listen to alot of music and people with musical talent make shitty songs all the time, it's called trying to appeal to the public (and yes Usher's female fan base is to blame for that)...there's artists I love that have made songs I think are fucking terrible but there's no denying their talent...Alicia Keys makes amazing music, writes and produces it, but there's some bullshit songs in her catalouge as well...

 

[Mrslim1]

@ the bolded..exactly you're going off you're own speculation...im sure certain artist you love aren't the best writers or producers either...I listen to alot of music and people with musical talent make shitty songs all the time, it's called trying to appeal to the public (and yes Usher's female fan base is to blame for that)...there's artists I love that have made songs I think are fucking terrible but there's no denying their talent...Alicia Keys makes amazing music, writes and produces it, but there's some bullshit songs in her catalouge as well...

The artist I like write and produce music. My favorite singer Maxwell writes and produces. He wrote and produced Pretty Wings 9 years ago and it is better than any song Usher has ever made lyrically and musically. I lean more toward artist such as Curtis Mayfield , EWF , KEM , Marvin Gaye , Stevie Wonder , Sade etc . So I am in the music part of it. As far as the A. Keys reference, even though as a fan of music I would like her to go deeper in her talent pool with her songs. Her worst songs , whatever you think they maybe have more musical value than anything that Usher can make.

 

[blackrain]

The artist I like write and produce music. My favorite singer Maxwell writes and produces. He wrote and produced Pretty Wings 9 years ago and it is better than any song Usher has ever made lyrically and musically. I lean more toward artist such as Curtis Mayfield , EWF , KEM , Marvin Gaye , Stevie Wonder , Sade etc . So I am in the music part of it. As far as the A. Keys reference, even though as a fan of music I would like her to go deeper in her talent pool with her songs. Her worst songs , whatever you think they maybe have more musical value than anything that Usher can make.

I never said they didn't...you're so caught up on saying "so and so is better"...when that's not even the argument...the point is pretty much every artist has song/s that some part of their fan base will say "Why the fuck did they make that song?"...

 

[Mrslim1]

I never said they didn't...you're so caught up on saying "so and so is better"...when that's not even the argument...the point is pretty much every artist has song/s that some part of their fan base will say "Why the fuck did they make that song?"...

I can agree with that statement to an extent . Where i disagree with it is , if you have a fanbase that is musically inclined even though they might not like a certain song from their favorite artist , they can understand what the artist is trying to do and give that artist the room for growth and experiment. But artst in the mold of Usher who are making music for the hit not specifically for the quality always have a tough time keeping their so called fans because the less musically inclined fans tend to be more fical

 

[rapmastermind]

Listen, for this generation, Usher has made Forever music but yes he's not Marvin or Michael. And Yes, I would put Maxwell over him musically. But that doesn't mean Usher isn't the shit cause he is. He's the type of RnB artist that has the potenial to be with the greats. I do think he needs to stop with the generic/formula type of RnB. He needs to dig deep like he did on "Confessions" and pour more soul into his art. Yes "Here I Stand" had elements of that maturity but the songs weren't strong enough. He better get his act together though or his catalog will suffer for it. Like I said, I wouldn't say Justin stole his thunder but "Future Sex" >>> The last 2 Usher albums easily, musically, everything.

 

[Mrslim1]

Listen, for this generation, Usher has made Forever music but yes he's not Marvin or Michael. And Yes, I would put Maxwell over him musically. But that doesn't mean Usher isn't the shit cause he is. He's the type of RnB artist that has the potenial to be with the greats. I do think he needs to stop with the generic/formula type of RnB. He needs to dig deep like he did on "Confessions" and pour more soul into his art. Yes "Here I Stand" had elements of that maturity but the songs weren't strong enough. He better get his act together though or his catalog will suffer for it. Like I said, I wouldn't say Justin stole his thunder but "Future Sex" >>> The last 2 Usher albums easily, musically, everything.

But thats my point Confessions which is arguably Usher's best work , He didnt write anything on it. The songwriters were able to tap into his emotions because of the things he was going thru at the time, however that his hard to do consistently. If he wrote and played like a Justin Timberlake he wold be able to to put his heart and soul on every track even if they aren't his best songs.

 

[blackrain]

I can agree with that statement to an extent . Where i disagree with it is , if you have a fanbase that is musically inclined even though they might not like a certain song from their favorite artist , they can understand what the artist is trying to do and give that artist the room for growth and experiment. But artst in the mold of Usher who are making music for the hit not specifically for the quality always have a tough time keeping their so called fans because the less musically inclined fans tend to be more fical

fans have to allow an artist to grow...if that growth doesn't translate into record sales then it's back to the old formula...this is the music BUSINESS and it's about selling records at the end of the day

 

[Mrslim1]

fans have to allow an artist to grow...if that growth doesn't translate into record sales then it's back to the old formula...this is the music BUSINESS and it's about selling records at the end of the day

It is about sales. But maybe i am naive but I think if your formula is making quality music you will no doubt have longevity . Your sales may not go diamond , but you will still have such a strong following you will be able to sell out shows for the rest of your life because your fans have such a deep connection with your music .