Why do they think Biggie is most technical than Tupac ?

[PK_TK_187]

Jeezy does have a better body of work than BIG

 

[ohhhla]

@Killaguwop

Very good assessment on Pac Stans.

 

[loch121]

Pac was a polarizing dude and real talk depending how biased you are about the east coast you will take credit away form Pac

Honestly when that war popped off,while I liked Pac's music, I was more of a BIG fan

I didn't like All Eyes On Me and thought Pac was a trouble maker and a loud mouth

Then i really peeped that Pac was talking some real real shit and niggas was really foul and he really had a reason to ride on them niggas.Pause

 

[Bawse D.Lox]

ain't nobody fuckin with Pac...only Pac can do it like this.

U gotta also love how the Big dickriders probably heard no futher then Pacs comercial material.lol

BIGGIE's fans only admit that pac's classic albums are MAGT, AEOM and makaveli which is true.because pac's stans always be telling that BIG' is wack because he only has two albums.

i'm a pac fan and i cosign that. 2pacalypse was eh okay as an album a 5 at best.

while strictly 4 my niggaz out side of 5 songs was trash

pac came to his own in 93' and on the thug life tape.

 

[ohhhla]

2Pacalypse Now was a great album.

There is that content that people want out of rapper

And think 2Pacalypse Now is ok, smh.

 

[SHAYDEEEE]

i was a little kid when biggie was around but a question for any old heads...

wasnt biggie considered bubblegum rap back then, the way ja rule was 5 years later? compared to the other shit that was comin from the east coast at the time it sure seems that way.

 

[blackbloc]

some people think flow>>>>>> anything else on a rap song. that the only reason why some say big is a better raper then pac which is not true.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

some people think flow>>>>>> anything else on a rap song. that the only reason why some say big is a better raper then pac which is not true.

Pac is actually the better raper.

Big's the better rapper.

 

[killaguwop]

like B.I.G didn't have lyrics.

 

[lookdude]

Bump

 

[MECCA1000]

i was a little kid when biggie was around but a question for any old heads...

wasnt biggie considered bubblegum rap back then, the way ja rule was 5 years later? compared to the other shit that was comin from the east coast at the time it sure seems that way.

Didn't consider him bubble gum rap at all. .. cats didn't like how puffy was watering down shit with the 80's r&b music samples

 

[za'kiss]

Not sure why this was bumped, but hell, since I missed it the first time around, I'll jump in.

2Pac has an underrated skillset as an MC. Most of the examples given in here defending Pac point to internal rhymes. Apart from that, most everyone seems to just say he has better content where Biggie had punchlines, metaphors, and wordplay. But 'Pac wasn't just good at internal rhymes.

Someone mentioned alliteration, and I don't see any reason why to dismiss that as a powerful technical skill, especially when poets use it, which Pac was. Take "If I Die 2Nite" for example (one of the greatest rap songs of all time IMO).

They say pussy and paper is poetry power and pistols

Plotting on murderin motherfuckers 'fore they get you

Picturing pitiful punk niggas copping pleas

Puffing weed as I position myself to clock G's

My enemies scatter in suicidal situations

Never to witness the wicked shit that they was facin

Pockets is packed with presidents, pursue your riches

Evading the playa hating tricks, while hitting switches

Bitches is bad-mouth, cause brawlin motherfuckers is bold

But y'all some hoes, the game should be sewed

The sickest psychotic society somebody save me

Addicted to drama so even mama couldn't raise me

Not only is this a masterful use of alliteration (and internal rhyme), but 2Pac was one of the only MCs to really employ it so intricately in his raps. He's unique in that sense. And it's not just used arbitrarily, but informs the meaning and content in the verse. The way he plays on the ironies in the English language where nearly the same sounds and consonants strung together can communicate otherwise seemingly unconnected and even opposing concepts, such as poetry and power, or pistols and pleas, is crazy. This all while communicating substantive ideas and themes. It's simply brilliant.

Now, as to the claim that 2Pac wasn't proficient in wordplay, similes, metaphors, and punchlines, this is also false. He just didn't use them as often as Biggie (just as Biggie didn't use alliteration as often as 'Pac). They emphasize different skillsets, playing to their strengths as MCs. For instance, 'Pac holds his own on "My Mind Made Up" alongside punchline happy East Coast juggernauts: "So mandatory my elevation/My lyrics like (an) orientation/So you can be more familiar with the nigga you facing").

Also, let's not forget: 2Pac was a fierce battle rapper, and we all know his deadliest, most lethal bars at his enemies never appeared on Hit 'Em Up. It's ironic that the 2Pac / Nas beef was based on a misunderstanding they ultimately resolved, because 'Pac had his wittiest punchlines and most venomous lines directed at Nas, effectively deconstructing his whole style in but a few lines:

"Lord listen to me

God don't like ugly, +It Was Written+,

Ayo Nas, your whole damn style is bitten (You sound like Rakim man)

You heard +My Melody+ (double entendre), read about my life in the papers

All my run-ins with authorities, felonious capers

Now you wanna live my life, so what's a Hausa Nas?

Niggas that don't rhyme right, you've seen too many movies" (these last two lines are a Scarface reference)

I don't know how you can break down some of these verses and argue that 2Pac wasn't a skilled technical MC in the traditional sense of punchlines and metaphors when he wanted to be. It's just that most of the time he focused more on content, experimenting with song structure, and other technical elements drawn from literary traditions such as alliteration, allusions, and symbolism. Just because punchlines blew up on the East Coast in the early 90s, that doesn't mean that's the only way to be a technical MC, nor that 'Pac wasn't more than capable of it when he wanted to be.

 

[waterproof]

Pac is a Poet, Pac write his rhymes as a Poet, if you can't hear the poetry in his rhymes then you don't know about about poetry.

Pac gave y'all niggas an album with wordplay when he dropped Makaveli to shut y'all niggas but it was still in a poetry form

 

[waterproof]

Not sure why this was bumped, but hell, since I missed it the first time around, I'll jump in.

2Pac has an underrated skillset as an MC. Most of the examples given in here defending Pac point to internal rhymes. Apart from that, most everyone seems to just say he has better content where Biggie had punchlines, metaphors, and wordplay. But 'Pac wasn't just good at internal rhymes.

Someone mentioned alliteration, and I don't see any reason why to dismiss that as a powerful technical skill, especially when poets use it, which Pac was. Take "If I Die 2Nite" for example (one of the greatest rap songs of all time IMO).

They say pussy and paper is poetry power and pistols

Plotting on murderin motherfuckers 'fore they get you

Picturing pitiful punk niggas copping pleas

Puffing weed as I position myself to clock G's

My enemies scatter in suicidal situations

Never to witness the wicked shit that they was facin

Pockets is packed with presidents, pursue your riches

Evading the playa hating tricks, while hitting switches

Bitches is bad-mouth, cause brawlin motherfuckers is bold

But y'all some hoes, the game should be sewed

The sickest psychotic society somebody save me

Addicted to drama so even mama couldn't raise me

Not only is this a masterful use of alliteration (and internal rhyme), but 2Pac was one of the only MCs to really employ it so intricately in his raps. He's unique in that sense. And it's not just used arbitrarily, but informs the meaning and content in the verse. The way he plays on the ironies in the English language where nearly the same sounds and consonants strung together can communicate otherwise seemingly unconnected and even opposing concepts, such as poetry and power, or pistols and pleas, is crazy. This all while communicating substantive ideas and themes. It's simply brilliant.

Now, as to the claim that 2Pac wasn't proficient in wordplay, similes, metaphors, and punchlines, this is also false. He just didn't use them as often as Biggie (just as Biggie didn't use alliteration as often as 'Pac). They emphasize different skillsets, playing to their strengths as MCs. For instance, 'Pac holds his own on "My Mind Made Up" alongside punchline happy East Coast juggernauts: "So mandatory my elevation/My lyrics like (an) orientation/So you can be more familiar with the nigga you facing").

Also, let's not forget: 2Pac was a fierce battle rapper, and we all know his deadliest, most lethal bars at his enemies never appeared on Hit 'Em Up. It's ironic that the 2Pac / Nas beef was based on a misunderstanding they ultimately resolved, because 'Pac had his wittiest punchlines and most venomous lines directed at Nas, effectively deconstructing his whole style in but a few lines:

"Lord listen to me

God don't like ugly, +It Was Written+,

Ayo Nas, your whole damn style is bitten (You sound like Rakim man)

You heard +My Melody+ (double entendre), read about my life in the papers

All my run-ins with authorities, felonious capers

Now you wanna live my life, so what's a Hausa Nas?

Niggas that don't rhyme right, you've seen too many movies" (these last two lines are a Scarface reference)

I don't know how you can break down some of these verses and argue that 2Pac wasn't a skilled technical MC in the traditional sense of punchlines and metaphors when he wanted to be. It's just that most of the time he focused more on content, experimenting with song structure, and other technical elements drawn from literary traditions such as alliteration, allusions, and symbolism. Just because punchlines blew up on the East Coast in the early 90s, that doesn't mean that's the only way to be a technical MC, nor that 'Pac wasn't more than capable of it when he wanted to be.

Nuff Said.