Why Do So Many Blacks think that Black People Can't Be Racist towards whites?

[A Talented One]

When will people realize that the answer to "can blacks be racist against whites" question is actually fairly easy to answer.

The question is simply a debate over semantics - so whatever you're definition of racism is, determines your answer for the aforementioned question.

Both sides can make an argument about the definition of racism that is accepted in academic circles. So this isn't a cut and dry debate because when discussing 'race' there's virtually always an arbitrary element attached.

You're not paying close attention. The definition about racism many use to deny that blacks can be racist has two components: prejudice and power. One response to an argument relying on this is something I said on the first page: Blacks, in some situations and contexts, do have power. So even going by this definition (which I don't actually accept) blacks can be racist.

You're talking about the fringe elements that have no bearing on the whole, and in those instances, they're simply that; fringe elements. They are the exception, and not of the normal variety. How you're using the exception to apply to a well-documented generalization is fruitless. And the fact that no one has called you and @Stiff out on this bullshit is crazy.

White people have never been oppressed by anyone other than other white people. How many white people will be denied jobs because of their names? How many innocent white children will be gunned down by the police because they're white?

And even if by chance these things somehow occur, they are literally a "one drop in an ocean annually" occurrence.

If you are basing your argument on these premises, then you have no argument.

If someone's theory is that blacks can't be racist, then even one black racist fatally undermines that theory. That's just the way it is.

Clearly, given since blacks have little power compared to whites, racism on the part of blacks (on this theory, which, again, I don't accept) is relatively marginal compared to racism on the part of whites. I don't need to claim more than that to show that this argument doesn't work.

 

[damobb2deep]

You can be prejudice or stereotype someone or at worst a bigot... We don't have the power to influence folk's to negatively impact a ppl

Tell that to Paula Dean...

 

[Like Water]

When will people realize that the answer to "can blacks be racist against whites" question is actually fairly easy to answer.

The question is simply a debate over semantics - so whatever you're definition of racism is, determines your answer for the aforementioned question.

Both sides can make an argument about the definition of racism that is accepted in academic circles. So this isn't a cut and dry debate because when discussing 'race' there's virtually always an arbitrary element attached.

You're not paying close attention. The definition about racism many use to deny that blacks can be racist has two components: prejudice and power. One response to an argument relying on this is something I said on the first page: Blacks, in some situations and contexts, do have power. So even going by this definition (which I don't actually accept) blacks can be racist.

You're talking about the fringe elements that have no bearing on the whole, and in those instances, they're simply that; fringe elements. They are the exception, and not of the normal variety. How you're using the exception to apply to a well-documented generalization is fruitless. And the fact that no one has called you and @Stiff out on this bullshit is crazy.

White people have never been oppressed by anyone other than other white people. How many white people will be denied jobs because of their names? How many innocent white children will be gunned down by the police because they're white?

And even if by chance these things somehow occur, they are literally a "one drop in an ocean annually" occurrence.

If you are basing your argument on these premises, then you have no argument.

If someone's theory is that blacks can't be racist, then even one black racist fatally undermines that theory. That's just the way it is.

Clearly, given since blacks have little power compared to whites, racism on the part of blacks (on this theory, which, again, I don't accept) is relatively marginal compared to racism on the part of whites. I don't need to claim more than that to show that this argument doesn't work.

No dice...

 

[fuc_i_look_like]

Im lost, why are sum of yall arguing that Blacks can be racist towrards whites. Like what's the point?

 

[damobb2deep]

Im lost, why are sum of yall arguing that Blacks can be racist towrards whites. Like what's the point?

anyone can be racist... but saying that blacks can't be racist is basically justifying black racism...

 

[Like Water]

Im lost, why are sum of yall arguing that Blacks can be racist towrards whites. Like what's the point?

anyone can be racist... but saying that blacks can't be racist is basically justifying black racism...

No, anyone can't be racist. Anyone can be prejudiced or bigoted, but the country we live in and helped build, ironically enough, does not afford us the luxury of partaking in systemic racism on a scale where a mass of people will ever feel oppressed. We will never reap the benefits of racism and black people, by and large, are not of the belief system that we are superior to anyone.

Wanting to be treated like 5/5 of a person instead of 3/5 of one, and having that mindset, does not equate to having the mindset of a racist.

 

[damobb2deep]

Im lost, why are sum of yall arguing that Blacks can be racist towrards whites. Like what's the point?

anyone can be racist... but saying that blacks can't be racist is basically justifying black racism...

No, anyone can't be racist. Anyone can be prejudiced or bigoted, but the country we live in and helped build, ironically enough, does not afford us the luxury of partaking in systemic racism on a scale where a mass of people will ever feel oppressed. We will never reap the benefits of racism and black people, by and large, are not of the belief system that we are superior to anyone.

Wanting to be treated like 5/5 of a person instead of 3/5 of one, and having that mindset, does not equate to having the mindset of a racist.

so you telling me that there are black people in this country who don't talk down or feel like they are better than whites? or any other race for that matter.. shyt How many threads are there where a black person says "crakkka" or says other hateful things.. that's racist.

 

[Like Water]

Im lost, why are sum of yall arguing that Blacks can be racist towrards whites. Like what's the point?

anyone can be racist... but saying that blacks can't be racist is basically justifying black racism...

No, anyone can't be racist. Anyone can be prejudiced or bigoted, but the country we live in and helped build, ironically enough, does not afford us the luxury of partaking in systemic racism on a scale where a mass of people will ever feel oppressed. We will never reap the benefits of racism and black people, by and large, are not of the belief system that we are superior to anyone.

Wanting to be treated like 5/5 of a person instead of 3/5 of one, and having that mindset, does not equate to having the mindset of a racist.

so you telling me that there are black people in this country who don't talk down or feel like they are better than whites? or any other race for that matter.. shyt How many threads are there where a black person says "crakkka" or says other hateful things.. that's racist.

So you're telling me that you believe getting shot because you're black is equal to calling a white person a slur? Really now? And of course there are black people that feel superior to whites, but will it undoubtedly affect any white people in a way whites believing they're superior to blacks affect us? Probably not. And I already pointed out that those that are truly in a position to affect white people's lives are outliers.

Our prejudices are based on past injustices and are reactionary. We are not, and cannot be racist. Why are so many of you having difficulty with that concept?

 

[damobb2deep]

Im lost, why are sum of yall arguing that Blacks can be racist towrards whites. Like what's the point?

anyone can be racist... but saying that blacks can't be racist is basically justifying black racism...

No, anyone can't be racist. Anyone can be prejudiced or bigoted, but the country we live in and helped build, ironically enough, does not afford us the luxury of partaking in systemic racism on a scale where a mass of people will ever feel oppressed. We will never reap the benefits of racism and black people, by and large, are not of the belief system that we are superior to anyone.

Wanting to be treated like 5/5 of a person instead of 3/5 of one, and having that mindset, does not equate to having the mindset of a racist.

so you telling me that there are black people in this country who don't talk down or feel like they are better than whites? or any other race for that matter.. shyt How many threads are there where a black person says "crakkka" or says other hateful things.. that's racist.

So you're telling me that you believe getting shot because you're black is equal to calling a white person a slur? Really now? And of course there are black people that feel superior to whites, but will it undoubtedly affect any white people in a way whites believing they're superior to blacks affect us? Probably not. And I already pointed out that those that are truly in a position to affect white people's lives are outliers.

Our prejudices are based on past injustices and are reactionary. We are not, and cannot be racist. Why are so many of you having difficulty with that concept?

you act like when white people come to the hood they are welcome with open arms and assaulted..

 

[Ubuntu1]

So you're telling me that you believe getting shot because you're black is equal to calling a white person a slur?

Would you consider the Zebra murders that took place in San Francisco in the early '70s to have been racist (a N.O.I sect called the Death Angels went around brutally killing random white people, because they were white, for a few months until they were caught)? Would you consider a white person calling a black person a 'nigger' to be racist or would you not have a problem with it because their shooting someone would be even worse? @LikeWater

Apparently, black people in the U.S are statistically more likely to rape, kill, assault or commit some crime against white people than vice versa (but maybe I shouldn't talk until I've read more about that. You could look that up, though).

Our prejudices are based on past injustices and are reactionary. We are not, and cannot be racist.

Some white racism is also reactionary because some white people resent having been mistreated by black people as well as the double standards involving race that are more or less considered politically correct. The fact that you bully someone because you've been bullied in the past (or because people you identify with have been bullied by people you associate other individual white people with) doesn't mean that you aren't bullying people, only that you have 'reasons' for bullying people. It's understandible but it's not justified.

A mf thinking they are superior because they are a certain race don't mean shit, unless they're race can and have systematically oppressed others because of their supposed superiority. That's racism, anything else is harmless prejudice in that it doesn't affect your life.

Wtf I care if some redneck with no real power thinks they are better than me? Issue arises when a person or persons in power uses that belief to Cray systems and institutions to disadvantage people based on their prejudice.

And if you can't understand this simple concept, either you are deliberately being dense our obtuse, or you are beyond mentally retarded.

Black people in Western countries are not systematically oppressed. This would imply that whites have legal rights that black people don't. Racism exists, maybe even on a widespread level, and sometimes it's carried out by people with political power that the average citizen doesn't have but it's not carried out 'methodically or according to plan' which is more or less the definition of 'systematic', it's contrary to the legal policies of Western governments and not in accordance with them. If black people are capable of harming white people then their prejudice isn't necessarily harmless. Systematic racism is only one form of racism, which is why we specify 'systematic'. It would be redundent to say 'systematic racism' if racism was necessarily systematic.

Black people have the power to harm and disadvantage white people and sometimes their doing so is racially motivated. So it's not 'racism' but it's literaly the exact same thing. White person attacks black person and calls him a 'nigger' - racism. Black person carries out racially motivated attack on innocent white person - retaliation? They have the power to behave in the exact same way and it's equally illegal for either of them to assault people, what kind of mental gymnastics do you have to perform to argue that it isn't equivalent?

 

[Ubuntu1]

What did you disagree with, A Talented One?

 

[Like Water]

Im lost, why are sum of yall arguing that Blacks can be racist towrards whites. Like what's the point?

anyone can be racist... but saying that blacks can't be racist is basically justifying black racism...

No, anyone can't be racist. Anyone can be prejudiced or bigoted, but the country we live in and helped build, ironically enough, does not afford us the luxury of partaking in systemic racism on a scale where a mass of people will ever feel oppressed. We will never reap the benefits of racism and black people, by and large, are not of the belief system that we are superior to anyone.

Wanting to be treated like 5/5 of a person instead of 3/5 of one, and having that mindset, does not equate to having the mindset of a racist.

so you telling me that there are black people in this country who don't talk down or feel like they are better than whites? or any other race for that matter.. shyt How many threads are there where a black person says "crakkka" or says other hateful things.. that's racist.

So you're telling me that you believe getting shot because you're black is equal to calling a white person a slur? Really now? And of course there are black people that feel superior to whites, but will it undoubtedly affect any white people in a way whites believing they're superior to blacks affect us? Probably not. And I already pointed out that those that are truly in a position to affect white people's lives are outliers.

Our prejudices are based on past injustices and are reactionary. We are not, and cannot be racist. Why are so many of you having difficulty with that concept?

you act like when white people come to the hood they are welcome with open arms and assaulted..

Whaaaattt??!! THAT'S your response? Yeah. I'm done with you. You keep responding to my posts filled with seriousness with meager, watered-down instances of nothingness that mean nothing in the grand scheme of things.

@Ubuntu1 Man, fuck whatever you talking bout. You always have long-winded posts that go nowhere and are filled with red herrings, strawman detractions, and all other types of nonsense. I ain't reading all that shit.

It seems that all those that oppose my logic are doing so with exceptions to the rule. In this scenario, that doesn't apply and is useless.

 

[damobb2deep]

Im lost, why are sum of yall arguing that Blacks can be racist towrards whites. Like what's the point?

anyone can be racist... but saying that blacks can't be racist is basically justifying black racism...

No, anyone can't be racist. Anyone can be prejudiced or bigoted, but the country we live in and helped build, ironically enough, does not afford us the luxury of partaking in systemic racism on a scale where a mass of people will ever feel oppressed. We will never reap the benefits of racism and black people, by and large, are not of the belief system that we are superior to anyone.

Wanting to be treated like 5/5 of a person instead of 3/5 of one, and having that mindset, does not equate to having the mindset of a racist.

so you telling me that there are black people in this country who don't talk down or feel like they are better than whites? or any other race for that matter.. shyt How many threads are there where a black person says "crakkka" or says other hateful things.. that's racist.

So you're telling me that you believe getting shot because you're black is equal to calling a white person a slur? Really now? And of course there are black people that feel superior to whites, but will it undoubtedly affect any white people in a way whites believing they're superior to blacks affect us? Probably not. And I already pointed out that those that are truly in a position to affect white people's lives are outliers.

Our prejudices are based on past injustices and are reactionary. We are not, and cannot be racist. Why are so many of you having difficulty with that concept?

you act like when white people come to the hood they are welcome with open arms and assaulted..

Whaaaattt??!! THAT'S your response? Yeah. I'm done with you. You keep responding to my posts filled with seriousness with meager, watered-down instances of nothingness that mean nothing in the grand scheme of things.

@Ubuntu1 Man, fuck whatever you talking bout. You always have long-winded posts that go nowhere and are filled with red herrings, strawman detractions, and all other types of nonsense. I ain't reading all that shit.

It seems that all those that oppose my logic are doing so with exceptions to the rule. In this scenario, that doesn't apply and is useless.

your "bigger picture" although has some truth to does not negate the fact that niggas who are prejudice against whites act like they "can't be" is just a excuse to be racist or prejudice.. me saying "fuck crackas" beating up white people or anything like that is racist.. just because we are subject to discrimination does not okay us to do or say racist shyt..

 

[A Talented One]

So you're telling me that you believe getting shot because you're black is equal to calling a white person a slur?

Would you consider the Zebra murders that took place in San Francisco in the early '70s to have been racist (a N.O.I sect called the Death Angels went around brutally killing random white people, because they were white, for a few months until they were caught)? Would you consider a white person calling a black person a 'nigger' to be racist or would you not have a problem with it because their shooting someone would be even worse? @LikeWater

Apparently, black people in the U.S are statistically more likely to rape, kill, assault or commit some crime against white people than vice versa (but maybe I shouldn't talk until I've read more about that. You could look that up, though).

Our prejudices are based on past injustices and are reactionary. We are not, and cannot be racist.

Some white racism is also reactionary because some white people resent having been mistreated by black people as well as the double standards involving race that are more or less considered politically correct. The fact that you bully someone because you've been bullied in the past (or because people you identify with have been bullied by people you associate other individual white people with) doesn't mean that you aren't bullying people, only that you have 'reasons' for bullying people. It's understandible but it's not justified.

A mf thinking they are superior because they are a certain race don't mean shit, unless they're race can and have systematically oppressed others because of their supposed superiority. That's racism, anything else is harmless prejudice in that it doesn't affect your life.

Wtf I care if some redneck with no real power thinks they are better than me? Issue arises when a person or persons in power uses that belief to Cray systems and institutions to disadvantage people based on their prejudice.

And if you can't understand this simple concept, either you are deliberately being dense our obtuse, or you are beyond mentally retarded.

Black people in Western countries are not systematically oppressed. This would imply that whites have legal rights that black people don't. Racism exists, maybe even on a widespread level, and sometimes it's carried out by people with political power that the average citizen doesn't have but it's not carried out 'methodically or according to plan' which is more or less the definition of 'systematic', it's contrary to the legal policies of Western governments and not in accordance with them. If black people are capable of harming white people then their prejudice isn't necessarily harmless. Systematic racism is only one form of racism, which is why we specify 'systematic'. It would be redundent to say 'systematic racism' if racism was necessarily systematic.

Black people have the power to harm and disadvantage white people and sometimes their doing so is racially motivated. So it's not 'racism' but it's literaly the exact same thing. White person attacks black person and calls him a 'nigger' - racism. Black person carries out racially motivated attack on innocent white person - retaliation? They have the power to behave in the exact same way and it's equally illegal for either of them to assault people, what kind of mental gymnastics do you have to perform to argue that it isn't equivalent?

The bolded is why I flagged this. Your idea of systemic oppression is way off. It doesn't require discrimination in the recognition of legal rights, and in fact it can be informal and against the official policies of the government.

 

[Ubuntu1]

The bolded is why I flagged this. Your idea of systemic oppression is way off. It doesn't require discrimination in the recognition of legal rights, and in fact it can be informal and against the official policies of the government.

Do you disagree with the idea of systematic racism being methodical and carried out according to plan or just that this implies officially legal discrimination? I think that even an informal systematic racism would require almost all white people (or those with more political power than most everyday people have) to be on the same page about discriminating against black people. For example, murder is a crime. There are no exceptions. They might factor different things into consideration when it comes to sentencing but no one is ever allowed to murder other people. Some things are formally illegal but rarely punished. I don't think there's any covertly organized discrimination against people of color that's carried out by whites (or people of color) who have political power that most people don't have. Do you think that the vast majority of white people are 'racist' (and act on their 'racism'), I don't understand how else you could believe that black people in predominately white countries are systematically oppressed if you didn't, I would even wonder what the pretense of legal racial equality would be useful for if the overwhelming majority of them were actively racist and no one, no matter how clueless or 'naive', could really dispute that if it were the rule. I won't deny that racism (against people of color) can be widespread and just as harmful as systematic oppression but white people aren't systematically empowered in a way that black people aren't. I'll admit that on a widescale level black people (as a 'group') are generally more vulnerable to racism being in the minority but that doesn't necessarily have anything to do with individual interactions or influence.

@Ubuntu1 Man, fuck whatever you talking bout. You always have long-winded posts that go nowhere and are filled with red herrings, strawman detractions, and all other types of nonsense. I ain't reading all that shit.

What logical fallacies did I resort to in my post (what specifically did I say that was a red herring or any other fallacy and why, what straw man do you think I'm arguing against)? In what way is my reasoning inconsistent? I don't think it's even a question of evidence if we're debating whether or not hypothetical black people who behave in the exact same way that white racists do could be considered racist.

 

[zzombie]

Why should blacks even care if we are racist towards whites?? When they are towards us do the majority of them care or even notice??? No

 

[damobb2deep]

Why should blacks even care if we are racist towards whites?? When they are towards us do the majority of them care or even notice??? No

because racism is wrong... also alot of white people care about racism towards blacks... it's just racist blacks believe in a general negative stereotypes about white... just as racist whites believe in negative stereotypes against blacks... funny to say but I read in that "random facts thread" that people who are racist generally have lower IQ's..

 

[zzombie]

Why should blacks even care if we are racist towards whites?? When they are towards us do the majority of them care or even notice??? No

because racism is wrong... also alot of white people care about racism towards blacks... it's just racist blacks believe in a general negative stereotypes about white... just as racist whites believe in negative stereotypes against blacks... funny to say but I read in that "random facts thread" that people who are racist generally have lower IQ's..

Why exactly do you think racism is wrong??? It's claimed the western Europeans, Jews and north east Asians have the highest IQ's yet their societies have been the most racist on earth.

 

[PapaDoc223]

Why should blacks even care if we are racist towards whites?? When they are towards us do the majority of them care or even notice??? No

because racism is wrong... also alot of white people care about racism towards blacks... it's just racist blacks believe in a general negative stereotypes about white... just as racist whites believe in negative stereotypes against blacks... funny to say but I read in that "random facts thread" that people who are racist generally have lower IQ's..

I have always said that the large majority of white people are racist. For every one Tom Wise there is about 50,000 Darren Wilsons. Look at the polls whenever race is brought the majority of whites support the police, support Zimmerman, and the confeserate flag. Just because a couple of white folk say #blacklivesmatter doesnt mean the large majority does. We are all we got. We have no friends or allies. Whites cannot be trusted in any circumstance. History has shown whites never cared about us.

 

[R0mp]

Looking more specifically into how blacks feel racism towards blacks harmfully affects black people, some of the main areas of concern are racial discrimination in the application & hiring process, racial discrimination in lending & racial discrimination in the criminal justice system, right?

Fortunately, there is information out there that lays the blueprint, outlining the steps black people can take to become, as a group, beneficiaries in these areas instead of downtrodden sufferers. The thing is taking action and putting the information to good use.