From without and within the building crumbles. Long as fuck post forthcoming.
I read this article for Rhetoric of Hip Hop last semester that said people from broken and single-parent homes are less likely to finish a project once it gets difficult. Having one or no parents to walk them through the entire process from beginning to end to show them what (1) perseverance is when the project gets difficult, and (2) there is as much praise for finishing a project as there is in starting one, the child grows up only interested in things for as long as he or she receives attention.
Now apply that to my people.
K-5 (if you're lucky) good grades are celebrated, praised, and highlighted. The kid is loving the attention, so he or she works harder to keep the attention coming.
6-8 getting a good grade isn't celebrated as much as it is expected. Homework is getting harder, but no one's there to help with it or the person who is there might not get it either. An A is "good." No return on the hard work + outside influences = kid starts slacking.
9-12 there is no praise for academic excellence for most. In fact, it's usually the opposite and seen as "being white" or "thinking you're smart." Most male peers hop off here to chase girls, and praise is generated from pulling superficial things like rebounds, touchdowns, hoes, and money the fast way.
The Valedictorian who never partied, got straight A's, and won a scholarship to Harvard is less important than the team winning state with Carlito scoring 25 and grabbing 10 boards. 4 years of struggling in books by yourself vs. running laps, playing a game, and getting hoes. Easy choice.
There's an example in the previous example.
The article basically reveals a trend in broken and single-home children, which black folks are the leaders in unfortunately, and that's trendiness. Media makes it sound cool, but here's the reality: we're rapidly becoming if we aren't already a people who trend hop. Problem is, we treat shit that isn't a trend--like education--like a trend.
Look at Hip Hop. We start so much shit and stop the minute it gets "too hard" and the attention wanes.
DJing, breaking, graffiti--hell, even writing fucking rhymes down to make them intricate is wack now. Difficulty. Why haul records when you can rap? Why dance when you can mug? Why run from transit when you can do nothing? Why write rhymes for days and hours when you can spit off the dome?
Now look at each one of those and how they've been handled by people who come from cultures that are more "traditional" and where running from adverse situations isn't overlooked or allowed. Asians, Africans, Europeans--DJing, breaking, graffiti, and intricately rhyming are all still cool as fuck. Us? "You DJing? You still on that shit? Word? You STILL dancing like that? Word? You still reading and going to school shit?"
That's why we take educational L's. Education is a trend to us. We celebrate the start-adversity-completion relationship of everything before education. Jail bids, making it to the NBA/NFL/MLB, and child support responsibilities all get bigger parties than graduation. How can we expect anything else? More love coming out of Rykers than NYU. Meanwhile, education and hairstyles on the same level...
I read this article for Rhetoric of Hip Hop last semester that said people from broken and single-parent homes are less likely to finish a project once it gets difficult. Having one or no parents to walk them through the entire process from beginning to end to show them what (1) perseverance is when the project gets difficult, and (2) there is as much praise for finishing a project as there is in starting one, the child grows up only interested in things for as long as he or she receives attention.
Now apply that to my people.
K-5 (if you're lucky) good grades are celebrated, praised, and highlighted. The kid is loving the attention, so he or she works harder to keep the attention coming.
6-8 getting a good grade isn't celebrated as much as it is expected. Homework is getting harder, but no one's there to help with it or the person who is there might not get it either. An A is "good." No return on the hard work + outside influences = kid starts slacking.
9-12 there is no praise for academic excellence for most. In fact, it's usually the opposite and seen as "being white" or "thinking you're smart." Most male peers hop off here to chase girls, and praise is generated from pulling superficial things like rebounds, touchdowns, hoes, and money the fast way.
The Valedictorian who never partied, got straight A's, and won a scholarship to Harvard is less important than the team winning state with Carlito scoring 25 and grabbing 10 boards. 4 years of struggling in books by yourself vs. running laps, playing a game, and getting hoes. Easy choice.
There's an example in the previous example.
The article basically reveals a trend in broken and single-home children, which black folks are the leaders in unfortunately, and that's trendiness. Media makes it sound cool, but here's the reality: we're rapidly becoming if we aren't already a people who trend hop. Problem is, we treat shit that isn't a trend--like education--like a trend.
Look at Hip Hop. We start so much shit and stop the minute it gets "too hard" and the attention wanes.
DJing, breaking, graffiti--hell, even writing fucking rhymes down to make them intricate is wack now. Difficulty. Why haul records when you can rap? Why dance when you can mug? Why run from transit when you can do nothing? Why write rhymes for days and hours when you can spit off the dome?
Now look at each one of those and how they've been handled by people who come from cultures that are more "traditional" and where running from adverse situations isn't overlooked or allowed. Asians, Africans, Europeans--DJing, breaking, graffiti, and intricately rhyming are all still cool as fuck. Us? "You DJing? You still on that shit? Word? You STILL dancing like that? Word? You still reading and going to school shit?"
That's why we take educational L's. Education is a trend to us. We celebrate the start-adversity-completion relationship of everything before education. Jail bids, making it to the NBA/NFL/MLB, and child support responsibilities all get bigger parties than graduation. How can we expect anything else? More love coming out of Rykers than NYU. Meanwhile, education and hairstyles on the same level...
It goes back to relating education to "acting white"
However.....
These niggas have no problem supporting schools known for blatant discrimination like UGA, & Alabama.........
*football*
Education is acting white but niggas will run the rock for a basket-weaving degree........
However.....
These niggas have no problem supporting schools known for blatant discrimination like UGA, & Alabama.........
*football*
Education is acting white but niggas will run the rock for a basket-weaving degree........
Knowledge is a resource the same way salt and steel are. It has to be acquired in order to be used. Most people do not know this. They just assume they are smart and know how the world works based solely off of their personal thoughts and opinions. This is why most people do not bother to acquire knowledge.
Doesn't have much to do with this whole "acting white" shit, its more about immediate gratification and dream chasing than anything.
Lack of long term planning and no vision for the future, plus how celebrated get rich quick schemes are and this country's obsession with money is a deadly mix.
As a kid, you flip on the TV and you see Lil Wayne on one channel and Cornel West on another which lifestyle is going to be more attractive? Now what did he do to get that more attractive lifestyle? Which one of 'em more likely to end up in a Forbes list? Which is more famous? No surprise a kid says "ima do what Lil Wayne is doing".
Its the same with playing ball. ESPN going on & on about contracts worth millions of dollars and there's no academic willing to go on TV and mention his salary...and if he did it might be the equivalent of a nigga sittin on an NBA bench.
Its a combination of immediate gratification (which leads to slanging dope and robberies), and those who are willing to show discipline and do hard work only willing to do so to chase dreams. When you got millionaire 16-yr old rappers and a nigga being given $100m right outta high school to play basketball its not hard figure it out.
The goals aren't realistic in most hoods, but then again we don't see all those stringy haired white boys who do the same thing in their parents garage trying to be the next Metallica, we don't really realize the goals are simply unrealistic period in this country. Its not even about education (which is a large part of it) but its about living a normal life and being an everyday person being shitted on. What happened to people wanting to be electricians or fire fighters? They realized rappers and ball players made more money and did less work...the American dream.
Lack of long term planning and no vision for the future, plus how celebrated get rich quick schemes are and this country's obsession with money is a deadly mix.
As a kid, you flip on the TV and you see Lil Wayne on one channel and Cornel West on another which lifestyle is going to be more attractive? Now what did he do to get that more attractive lifestyle? Which one of 'em more likely to end up in a Forbes list? Which is more famous? No surprise a kid says "ima do what Lil Wayne is doing".
Its the same with playing ball. ESPN going on & on about contracts worth millions of dollars and there's no academic willing to go on TV and mention his salary...and if he did it might be the equivalent of a nigga sittin on an NBA bench.
Its a combination of immediate gratification (which leads to slanging dope and robberies), and those who are willing to show discipline and do hard work only willing to do so to chase dreams. When you got millionaire 16-yr old rappers and a nigga being given $100m right outta high school to play basketball its not hard figure it out.
The goals aren't realistic in most hoods, but then again we don't see all those stringy haired white boys who do the same thing in their parents garage trying to be the next Metallica, we don't really realize the goals are simply unrealistic period in this country. Its not even about education (which is a large part of it) but its about living a normal life and being an everyday person being shitted on. What happened to people wanting to be electricians or fire fighters? They realized rappers and ball players made more money and did less work...the American dream.
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knights;5636163 said:
I'm Omnipotens Maximus Rex and I approve of this message. A powerful and profound post my nigga.
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Undefeatable
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This is what we should be talking about in the GnS, not here where nobody comes.
Anyway, black people in general do not value education as much as other groups, but white people are implicated in this being true.
Anyway, black people in general do not value education as much as other groups, but white people are implicated in this being true.
desertrain10
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yea t/s lets ignore the last 500 years of american history.... smh
anyways here's some good news
Urban Prep Graduates All College-Bound 4th Year in A Row
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/29/urban-prep-graduates-all-_n_2981203.html
anyways here's some good news
Urban Prep Graduates All College-Bound 4th Year in A Row
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/29/urban-prep-graduates-all-_n_2981203.html
Paul Hate.
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Single motherhood,lack of responsible male figures who traditionally take the disciplinarian role.That's like 95% of black america's problem outside of racism.
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desertrain10;5640094 said:
How is that you had people like Fredrick Douglass and Malcolm who taught themselves who to read, Gen. Benjamin O. Davis, who was the first black general, and Thurgood Marshall. Despite being subjected to slavery for two hundred and forty-four years and institutionalized racism for another sixty-eight years. We had thriving communities with a solid economic base. Black Wall St. was just in Tulsa, OK, there were vibrant black business districts all over America. I'm not trying to marginalize what we subjected to during the Jim Crow Era, but an argument can be made that under the circumstances we were quite successful and we made it happen.
Niggas love to talk about machinations of the white man, but can't it argued that one of his machinations is to have us talking about how for most of our history in America we were slaves, then oppressed, marginalized, terrorized, and disenfranchised as a means to to show that we weren't shit and didn't have shit and as a result we internalize that mindset to point were it manifests itself as a reality and we use as an excuse to explain we "aren't shit," and don't have shit in 2013?
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How is that you had people like Fredrick Douglass and Malcolm who taught themselves who to read, Gen. Benjamin O. Davis, who was the first black general, and Thurgood Marshall. Despite being subjected to slavery for two hundred and forty-four years and institutionalized racism for another sixty-eight years. We had thriving communities with a solid economic base. Black Wall St. was just in Tulsa, OK, there were vibrant black business districts all over America. I'm not trying to marginalize what we subjected to during the Jim Crow Era, but an argument can be made that under the circumstances we were quite successful and we made it happen.
Niggas love to talk about machinations of the white man, but can't it argued that one of his machinations is to have us talking about how for most of our history in America we were slaves, then oppressed, marginalized, terrorized, and disenfranchised as a means to to show that we weren't shit and didn't have shit and as a result we internalize that mindset to point were it manifests itself as a reality and we use as an excuse to explain we "aren't shit," and don't have shit in 2013?
Niggas love to talk about machinations of the white man, but can't it argued that one of his machinations is to have us talking about how for most of our history in America we were slaves, then oppressed, marginalized, terrorized, and disenfranchised as a means to to show that we weren't shit and didn't have shit and as a result we internalize that mindset to point were it manifests itself as a reality and we use as an excuse to explain we "aren't shit," and don't have shit in 2013?
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I hate that acting white myth... I'm educated... always been an honor student and none of my hood niggas said I was acting white...
when I get around the old wolves, they give me dap for my accomplishments... anecdotal, I know...
anyway, the issue is parents... parents need to emphasize education and be an active part of their children's academic development...
u cant rely on the school system alone...
when I get around the old wolves, they give me dap for my accomplishments... anecdotal, I know...
anyway, the issue is parents... parents need to emphasize education and be an active part of their children's academic development...
u cant rely on the school system alone...
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Stopitfive;5644817 said:
Co-sign, the parents are suppose to reinforce what children learn in school. The thing is, with a lot of parents, (i. e. the single mothers,) they barely understand the material themselves. I'm not shame to said it (because now I go to St. John's, which is ranked 147 out of like 377 schools,) at my old school, though I love it immensely because it helped get to where I am now, those were some stupid muthafuckas. I'd never forget on my first day in my Intro to Law class, niggas didn't know how many branches of there were and what they were called. I was like, "How do you get out of the eighth grade and not know what the branches of government are and what they do. Then comes the killing part, my professor asks "How many states are there?" I'm over here trippin' hella hard off the stupid muthafuckas that say something other than fifty. I'm thinking to myself, "How are these muthafuckas saying something other than fifty? Seriously, I can't tell you exactly when I learned there were fifty states in the union, that's how long I've known that, but if I had to guess, I 'd figure it was somewhere around the time I learned "D" was the fourth letter of the alphabet, and there are (then away,) nine planets. When the one chick said there were fifty-two states, and I said, "Who told you that?" The bitch had nerve enough to act like she wanted to get an attitude. Niggas are just dumb as fuck in America and like a meal from McDonald's, "They're loving it."
Another thing, and this is primarily for college & HS students, but you can't teach a nigga that's not willing to learn....you just can't do it.
If they don't have the inclination to read materials, do homework, study etc then they won't learn shit. Too many HS & college students fall into the social life and just be like "fuck school".
I'm sorry but I can't blame the parents of a kid out of middle school. At 15, 16, 17 a parent shouldn't have to hover over you like a little ass child. You gotta do right on your own B.
I was 15 when I dropped out and my mama was cool with it (after awhile) but she didn't just let me be stupid as fuck either. I got shipped off to Job Corps in the fuckin fields of Indiana surrounded by nothing and was on stuck for 8 months. I learned a lot from that journey, because it was the same shit there. Niggas skipping, socializing, taking a trade that shouldn't last more than 5 months but taking 2 years to finish, not going to GED classes, paying people to do your High School Equivalency for you...all types of immature shit.
Niggas just didn't want to learn, you can't force it and you can't always blame other people...sometime its the fuckin kid that's the problem. High school dropout rates are high as hell but niggas blaming the parents aren't helping the kid, its the KID that's the problem.
You can't tell me a 16yr old still needs to be walked to the door of his school by his mommy, and even if she does...that don't stop the nigga from leaving later on! She can't sit there all 8hrs of the day dude!
I been a juvenile delinquent, I been there in front of counselors, my mama, the police etc and I wasn't ready to learn shit. I couldn't be threatened, beat, coerced, bribed or nothing, it was "fuck school" period. Eventually I got myself together because I saw how fucked up life is for people who haven't learned. I realized how people talk to you change, how they act around you change, the type of women you meet improves (dramatically), just a better life by being smart...just got to find a way to show these kids bruh.
If they don't have the inclination to read materials, do homework, study etc then they won't learn shit. Too many HS & college students fall into the social life and just be like "fuck school".
I'm sorry but I can't blame the parents of a kid out of middle school. At 15, 16, 17 a parent shouldn't have to hover over you like a little ass child. You gotta do right on your own B.
I was 15 when I dropped out and my mama was cool with it (after awhile) but she didn't just let me be stupid as fuck either. I got shipped off to Job Corps in the fuckin fields of Indiana surrounded by nothing and was on stuck for 8 months. I learned a lot from that journey, because it was the same shit there. Niggas skipping, socializing, taking a trade that shouldn't last more than 5 months but taking 2 years to finish, not going to GED classes, paying people to do your High School Equivalency for you...all types of immature shit.
Niggas just didn't want to learn, you can't force it and you can't always blame other people...sometime its the fuckin kid that's the problem. High school dropout rates are high as hell but niggas blaming the parents aren't helping the kid, its the KID that's the problem.
You can't tell me a 16yr old still needs to be walked to the door of his school by his mommy, and even if she does...that don't stop the nigga from leaving later on! She can't sit there all 8hrs of the day dude!
I been a juvenile delinquent, I been there in front of counselors, my mama, the police etc and I wasn't ready to learn shit. I couldn't be threatened, beat, coerced, bribed or nothing, it was "fuck school" period. Eventually I got myself together because I saw how fucked up life is for people who haven't learned. I realized how people talk to you change, how they act around you change, the type of women you meet improves (dramatically), just a better life by being smart...just got to find a way to show these kids bruh.
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jono;5645415 said:
I understand what you're saying. "X" of kids are just going to do "fuck up kids; however, with us, there's just too many of us that are fucking up. Our drop and literacy rates should comparable to everybody else's, but there not, their through the fucking roof. I don't expect schools in Bed-Stuy, East Oakland, or South Central, (whatever the fuck they renamed it,) to be on par with those in most affluent communities, (at least not yet,) but there's absolutely no reason as to why kids going to inner city high schools shouldn't be able to college level work.
We all start out on a level playing field and kids regardless of socioeconomic backgrounds show the same aptitude for learning, it just somewhere in the six grade and going on into junior high school, were black kids, start to be like "Fuck this school. Imma rap, own a label, or playball." Young girls, I don't what they fuck they're thinking, I guess they figure they're going to get a balla, or just get a county check, some WIC vouchers and call it a day.
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You can't sit here and say it's not the parents fault, homie. No one is born knowing how to study and be responsible. Those are trained traits. If you don't have good study habits at 15 or 16, it's because your parents didn't hover over you at 5, 6, 7, 8, etc. and teach you then. Hell, I'm of the notion that if my kid isn't retarded, I'm gonna be on his neck until he gets right. I can't be like, "Pfft, you ain't doing right by now, you're fucked."
What kinda punk-ass defeatist shit is that? "You 15 and you STILL reading on a 5th grade level? Word? Fuck it then." Smh@niggas not quitting the grind to be a rapper after 20 years of being local and still chasing the NBA at 30 at the park like, "I'ma tryout for the Knicks, B. I got it this year," but bailing out on their kids at 15 'cause the little homie won't/can't do his homework on his own.
There is no time limit on parenting the right way, and my black folks love to act like 18 is the limit.
"Better be out at 18." Hold on. Did you teach them how to SURVIVE by the time they're 18? Do they understand credit and how it works? Bills? Do they display signs of adult maturity that indicates they can make it successfully on their own at 18? Or are they still doing dumb shit like partying until 4 a.m. and gotta be at work at 7? Spending their whole check on J's and games without considering saving some loot and denying that instant gratification purchase?
See what I mean about trending? Shit is even in the way we parent.
What kinda punk-ass defeatist shit is that? "You 15 and you STILL reading on a 5th grade level? Word? Fuck it then." Smh@niggas not quitting the grind to be a rapper after 20 years of being local and still chasing the NBA at 30 at the park like, "I'ma tryout for the Knicks, B. I got it this year," but bailing out on their kids at 15 'cause the little homie won't/can't do his homework on his own.
There is no time limit on parenting the right way, and my black folks love to act like 18 is the limit.
"Better be out at 18." Hold on. Did you teach them how to SURVIVE by the time they're 18? Do they understand credit and how it works? Bills? Do they display signs of adult maturity that indicates they can make it successfully on their own at 18? Or are they still doing dumb shit like partying until 4 a.m. and gotta be at work at 7? Spending their whole check on J's and games without considering saving some loot and denying that instant gratification purchase?
See what I mean about trending? Shit is even in the way we parent.
I put a lot of the blame on the media that play a large role in socializing these youth. Being good in school is presented to them as being bad.
Couple that with the fact that these youth often dont have parents who did the post secondary thing to lead by example and show them the practical value of it, and that these kids often times believe they cannot afford to do the school thing.
The system is designed to increase the size of the lower classes and decrease the size of the upper classes. The growing income inequalities in America are proof of this.
Couple that with the fact that these youth often dont have parents who did the post secondary thing to lead by example and show them the practical value of it, and that these kids often times believe they cannot afford to do the school thing.
The system is designed to increase the size of the lower classes and decrease the size of the upper classes. The growing income inequalities in America are proof of this.
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Niggas are lazy and hate hard work. They think they should get a full ride for what the fuck happened in slavery that happened a 150 years ago. Shiftless folks I tell you.
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