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beenwize;6637143 said:
the book of galatians is a letter written by paul to members of the galatians church who had begun to go astray by what were most likely jewish christians who wanted to emphazie the mosaic law over the new covenant law of grace that is why he mentions the law given on mount sinai.
he's not talking to people who were born jews
zombie;6637127 said:
Pay attention you simple nigga. You say recent converts from paganism? Yes they were recent converts to Christ from the OT paganism.
Galatians 4:21-25
Tell me, ye that desire to be under the law, do ye not hear the law? 22 For it is written, that Abraham had two sons, the one by a bondmaid, the other by a freewoman. 23 But he who was of the bondwoman was born after the flesh; but he of the freewoman was by promise. 24 Which things are an allegory: for these are the two covenants; the one from the mount Sinai, which gendereth to bondage, which is Agar. 25 For this Agar is mount Sinai in Arabia, and answereth to Jerusalem which now is, and is in bondage with her children. 26 But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
Galatian 4:3 Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world:
Galatians 4:8 Howbeit then, when ye knew not God, ye did service unto them which by nature are no gods. 9 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? 10 Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. 11 I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.
Look in Galatians 4:21 where he says you desire to be under the law.
Look in Galatians 4:9 where he says ye desire again to be in bondage.
Look in Galatians 4:24 where he says the law at Mount Sinai gendereth to bondage
Look in Galatians 4:8 where he says you knew NOT God, ye did service unto them that are no gods.
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beenwize;6637175 said:
the congregation being written to started off as pagan then paul brought them to justification through christ when paul left then came under the influence of others who wanted the supremacy of the law of moses over the teachings of christ.
galatians 4
17 Those people are zealous to win you over, but for no good. What they want is to alienate you from us, so that you may have zeal for them.
gal 3
21 Is the law, therefore, opposed to the promises of God? Absolutely not! For if a law had been given that could impart life, then righteousness would certainly have come by the law. 22 But Scripture has locked up everything under the control of sin, so that what was promised, being given through faith in Jesus Christ, might be given to those who believe.
WHAT you have to understand is that during this time period false teachers existed who wanted to force jewish law on gentile christians so that roman would not treat them so harshly.
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zombie;6637242 said:
lol your rebuttal has nothing to do with my previous post... you have zero understanding. the scriptures clearly says that they were doing service to those that were not god. and that they desired to be under the law. the law from mount sania was bondage.. its as clear as day. you deserve to be deceived.
gala 3
23 Before the coming of this faith,[j] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
23 Before the coming of this faith,[j] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. 24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
26 So in Christ Jesus you are all children of God through faith, 27 for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. 28 There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. 29 If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham’s seed, and heirs according to the promise.
beenwize;6637175 said:
Shall we get a little bit more specific about what exactly are the elements of the world? In Galatians he says you were in bondage to the law given at Mount Sanai observing times, seasons, days, and years..
Now as we proceed to Colossians we find some more information that says let no man judge you in meat, drink, respect of holyday, or new moon, or Sabbath days... NOW the laws of all that shyt was given at Mount Sanai which we find out are al rudiments and elements of "this" world.
verse 18 says worshipping of angels... now the NT says that law was given by angels. Your Yahweh is an Angel!!!! I keep telling you.
Colossians 2:16-22
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. 20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21 (touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 which all are to perish with the using
after the commandments and doctrines of men?
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beenwize;6637175 said:
@ the bolded before paul these people were not followers of the OT law they were not jews. jews would have been circumsized already and if there were not jews before they met paul they had to be pagans.
GAL 5
2 Mark my words! I, Paul, tell you that if you let yourselves be circumcised, Christ will be of no value to you at all. 3 Again I declare to every man who lets himself be circumcised that he is obligated to obey the whole law. 4 You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. 5 For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love.
GA; 6
13Not even those who are circumcised keep the law, yet they want you to be circumcised that they may boast about your circumcision in the flesh.
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beenwize;6637316 said:beenwize;6637175 said:
Shall we get a little bit more specific about what exactly are the elements of the world? In Galatians he says you were in bondage to the law given at Mount Sanai observing times, seasons, days, and years..
Now as we proceed to Colossians we find some more information that says let no man judge you in meat, drink, respect of holyday, or new moon, or Sabbath days... NOW the laws of all that shyt was given at Mount Sanai which we find out are al rudiments and elements of "this" world.
verse 18 says worshipping of angels... now the NT says that law was given by angels. Your Yahweh is an Angel!!!! I keep telling you.
Colossians 2:16-22
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. 20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21 (touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 which all are to perish with the using
No as i proved to you already the galatians were not jews. Pauls talked to gentiles that was his mission. so he's telling the gentiles in colossians not to worry about the eating laws of the jews you are still accepted by the one real god that the jews worship they attempt to do so by following LAWs to KEEP THEMSELVES CLEAN but as long as you believe in christ because you are under him and are made clean.
The god of the bible is not an angel he has angels.
zombie;6637356 said:beenwize;6637316 said:beenwize;6637175 said:
Shall we get a little bit more specific about what exactly are the elements of the world? In Galatians he says you were in bondage to the law given at Mount Sanai observing times, seasons, days, and years..
Now as we proceed to Colossians we find some more information that says let no man judge you in meat, drink, respect of holyday, or new moon, or Sabbath days... NOW the laws of all that shyt was given at Mount Sanai which we find out are al rudiments and elements of "this" world.
verse 18 says worshipping of angels... now the NT says that law was given by angels. Your Yahweh is an Angel!!!! I keep telling you.
Colossians 2:16-22
16 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: 17 which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ. 18 Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and worshipping of angels, intruding into those things which he hath not seen, vainly puffed up by his fleshly mind, 19 and not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God. 20 Wherefore if ye be dead with Christ from the rudiments of the world, why, as though living in the world, are ye subject to ordinances, 21 (touch not; taste not; handle not; 22 which all are to perish with the using
No as i proved to you already the galatians were not jews. Pauls talked to gentiles that was his mission. so he's telling the gentiles in colossians not to worry about the eating laws of the jews you are still accepted by the one real god that the jews worship they attempt to do so by following LAWs to KEEP THEMSELVES CLEAN but as long as you believe in christ because you are under him and are made clean.
The god of the bible is not an angel he has angels.
Let no man therefore judge you in eating, or in drinking, or in part of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths. ...
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and religion of the angels. ...
Wherefore if you be dead with Christ from the elements of the world, why, as though living in the world, are you subject to dogmas (touch not; taste not; handle not) after the commandments and doctrines of men.”
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See Greek in Colossians 2:16, 18, 20–21
from the very start of galatians he tell you he's not talking to jews in this letter.
galatians 1
15 But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by his grace, was pleased 16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, my immediate response was not to consult any human being.
galatians 1
15 But when God, who set me apart from my mother’s womb and called me by his grace, was pleased 16 to reveal his Son in me so that I might preach him among the Gentiles, my immediate response was not to consult any human being.
zombie;6637391 said:
nigga its calling the observing of times, seasons, and days the religion of angels? in the NT it also says that law at Mount Sanai was given by angels... Look in the Greek in the scriptures below
In the King James Version the word “religion” (in Greek: threeskia) is translated “worshipping” as though Paul meant that angels were being worshipped. But in no way does the word (either in meaning or in this context within the Book of Colossians) signify a “worshipping” of angels. The Greek word is a noun that means a “form of worship” or “ritual,” or simply what we called today “religious practices.” In the other three references where this Greek word (threeskia) appears in the New Testament, even the King James translators were forced to translate it in the true meaning “religion” (Acts 26:5; James 1:26–27). Paul was informing the Colossians that the Law of Moses was in fact “the religion of angels” (religious practices derived from angels).
Paul was upset with them for beginning to give heed again to religious beliefs engendered by angels, which some with Jewish leanings were attaching to sophisticated principles based on the Mosaic Law. Paul told them,
“Let no man therefore judge you in eating, or in drinking, or in part of an holy day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbaths. ...
Let no man beguile you of your reward in a voluntary humility and religion of the angels. ...
Wherefore if you be dead with Christ from the elements of the world, why, as though living in the world, are you subject to dogmas (touch not; taste not; handle not) after the commandments and doctrines of men.”
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See Greek in Colossians 2:16, 18, 20–21
beenwize;6637438 said:
pure utter bullshit the galatians were gentiles becuase that is who paul by his own admission taught.
galatia was a real place in anatolia so they were not lost or hidden he warned them not to get circumsized because he taught justification by faith in christ not strict law.
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