Why Do Down South Cats Like and Support Garbage Rappers?

[Lab Baby]

I will say this tho... when Young Jeezy said "rappin ass niggas, you better do numbers" and people ran with it, that to me marked the beginning of the end of lyricism in the mainstream. You can say it started with 50, but at least he cosigned spitters that were primarily known for rapping. I wouldn't single out the south as a whole, but that particular generation of rappers led by Jeezy and Gucci definitely ushered in the era of rap where you didn't have to be lyrical. Proof: when Waka says "we don't wanna hear that dictionary rap" or some shit like that... then again, he's a fucking idiot in general anyway.

that was 2005 aka the dark ages of rap. Now in 2013, the lyrical cats sell the most and make the most money from bigger tours than their non-lyrical counterparts.

True. The new generation (Drake, Wale, K Dot and them) is definitely more lyrical, but it's still muddy to me. To the point even some of those cats purposely dumb down their lyrics to appeal to that crowd. The labels are still tryna push simple Jack be nimble ass niggas like French and Future cuz they THINK that it will still sell. I say in 5-10 years, lyricism will be back in the forefront and ghostwriting will become a trend again.

I will say this tho... when Young Jeezy said "rappin ass niggas, you better do numbers" and people ran with it, that to me marked the beginning of the end of lyricism in the mainstream. You can say it started with 50, but at least he cosigned spitters that were primarily known for rapping. I wouldn't single out the south as a whole, but that particular generation of rappers led by Jeezy and Gucci definitely ushered in the era of rap where you didn't have to be lyrical. Proof: when Waka says "we don't wanna hear that dictionary rap" or some shit like that... then again, he's a fucking idiot in general anyway.

Agreed but the Young Jeezy's, Gucci's and Waka's wouldn't be here without Master P. He lowered the bar as far as emceeing and made that brand of hip hop acceptable. P was doing what these rappers do now in the mid and late 90ties. P paved the way for 'em.

It's like these n*ggas got a disdain for rapping eventhough they been trying to get on way before they blew up and tried different styles till they found what worked for them. All that pseudo nonchalant "I'm not a rapper" attitude is a facade. "Yeah, miss me with that rap sh*t". "Rappin' a@s n*gga, you just getting show money"...

Atleast Jeezy and Gucci have been rapping before they blew and grinded. Waka got on strictly through affiliations, in his case his mom. I always felt like this n*gga's like namond from The Wire.

Dam, forgot about Master P. Come to think about it, I don't know why this thread went on so long... them Wu Tang vs No Limit/CMB threads that been poppin off lately is proof of the OP. How the fuck did No Limit sell all them records, and them shits ain't even memorable or playable today. At least the Wu gets referenced or sampled every now and then (Ghost on New God Flow for example).

 

[BackInWhite]

jeezy was sampled on can't tell me nothin

i guess that's a testament to his lyrical prowess

 

[T. Sanford]

the south stay winning

 

[Trollio]

this is the t/s

 

[Lab Baby]

I will say this tho... when Young Jeezy said "rappin ass niggas, you better do numbers" and people ran with it, that to me marked the beginning of the end of lyricism in the mainstream. You can say it started with 50, but at least he cosigned spitters that were primarily known for rapping. I wouldn't single out the south as a whole, but that particular generation of rappers led by Jeezy and Gucci definitely ushered in the era of rap where you didn't have to be lyrical. Proof: when Waka says "we don't wanna hear that dictionary rap" or some shit like that... then again, he's a fucking idiot in general anyway.

that was 2005 aka the dark ages of rap. Now in 2013, the lyrical cats sell the most and make the most money from bigger tours than their non-lyrical counterparts.

See this is my problem with alotta hip-hop fans. I agree with the overall point of the thread & the t/s, just to make it clear.

They get caught up in this cube were their point of view is what's right. You call 2005 the dark ages, right? With albums like,

"The Documentary" (The Game), "Late Registration" (Kanye West), "Be" (Common) - one of his most popular album aside from being critically aclaimed, "The B. Coming" (Beanie Sigel), "Trauma" (DJ Quik), "The Carter II" (Lil' Wayne), "The Massacre" (50 Cent) - album got mixed review, "Trill" (Bun B), "The Sound Of Revenge" (Chamillionaire), "Thug Motivation 101" - personally never liked Jeezy, but some did., "The Fundation" (Geto Boys) etc. were some of the albums that ruled mainstream 2005.

Underground/not mainstream/the rest? "A.W.O.L." (AZ), "The Minstrel Show" (Little Brother), "Slum Village" (Slum Village), "The Testament" (Cormega), "Put It On The Line" (Ghostface & Trife Da God), "The Surviving Elements" (Pete Rock), "After Taxes" (Sheek Louch), "Monkey Barz" (Sean Price) etc.

So if i argued your point with these albums & some that i didn't even include could you really call it the dark age of rap? See, for you it might be but what makes you think your opinon is law? Just cuz you disliked certain rappers/albums i should?

My point is i'm tired of people basing their opinion on hip-hop or music on memories of their own personal life. One of my favorite years in life related to music was 2001-2002 but that doesn't mean that those years were great/bad in hip-hop or everything after was trash. But i could've been like "that was the last great year(s) in hip-hop" just based off what i remember from those days even if it ain't reality like alotta people seem to do these days.

I think he's referring to the era of ringtone rap, where damn near every song had a dance. I'd say that started more around 60-07, which had its great moments too... but mostly, it was an awkward time in hip hop.

 

[damobb2deep]

this shyt still goin? smh..

 

[runningwolf1980]

babel-on!

You got anything to add to the discussion besides one or two word posts?

he's from the south

You done had like 100 post and still ain't addressed the music video you was promoting of your Southern lil brothers rapping about the typical shit

there shit aint "typical" aint shit "typical" about the lives of native americans...nice try though

 

[runningwolf1980]

the south stay winning

if that was true we would still be slaves

 

[Maximus Rex]

you posted twice about the same pic, accept the feelings and grow up old man

That was an accident and btw you using a picture of Rex only feeds into Rex's narcissism and provides yourself with the ultimate of homo ass self ethers. It's one thing to know where one can find a picture of the IC chicks on this broad, but you knew where to find a picture of a dude or you had the muthafucka readily available. That's some gay and disturbing, it's was fucking gay and disturbing, that I could only laugh at it. We all know what an alternate name for a cat is and you just proved yourself to be that. Carry on.

 

[BackInWhite]

playa fly>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>wac dre

 

[Wild Self]

I will say this tho... when Young Jeezy said "rappin ass niggas, you better do numbers" and people ran with it, thoat to me marked the beginning of the end of lyricism in the mainstream. You can say it started with 50, but at least he cosigned spitters that were primarily known for rapping. I wouldn't single out the south as a whole, but that particular generation of rappers led by Jeezy and Gucci definitely ushered in the era of rap where you didn't have to be lyrical. Proof: when Waka says "we don't wanna hear that dictionary rap" or some shit like that... then again, he's a fucking idiot in general anyway.

that was 2005 aka the dark ages of rap. Now in 2013, the lyrical cats sell the most and make the most money from bigger tours than their non-lyrical counterparts.

See this is my problem with alotta hip-hop fans. I agree with the overall point of the thread & the t/s, just to make it clear.

They get caught up in this cube were their point of view is what's right. You call 2005 the dark ages, right? With albums like,

"The Documentary" (The Game), "Late Registration" (Kanye West), "Be" (Common) - one of his most popular album aside from being critically aclaimed, "The B. Coming" (Beanie Sigel), "Trauma" (DJ Quik), "The Carter II" (Lil' Wayne), "The Massacre" (50 Cent) - album got mixed review, "Trill" (Bun B), "The Sound Of Revenge" (Chamillionaire), "Thug Motivation 101" - personally never liked Jeezy, but some did., "The Fundation" (Geto Boys) etc. were some of the albums that ruled mainstream 2005.

Underground/not mainstream/the rest? "A.W.O.L." (AZ), "The Minstrel Show" (Little Brother), "Slum Village" (Slum Village), "The Testament" (Cormega), "Put It On The Line" (Ghostface & Trife Da God), "The Surviving Elements" (Pete Rock), "After Taxes" (Sheek Louch), "Monkey Barz" (Sean Price) etc.

So if i argued your point with these albums & some that i didn't even include could you really call it the dark age of rap? See, for you it might be but what makes you think your opinon is law? Just cuz you disliked certain rappers/albums i should?

My point is i'm tired of people basing their opinion on hip-hop or music on memories of their own personal life. One of my favorite years in life related to music was 2001-2002 but that doesn't mean that those years were great/bad in hip-hop or everything after was trash. But i could've been like "that was the last great year(s) in hip-hop" just based off what i remember from those days even if it ain't reality like alotta people seem to do these days.

I think he's referring to the era of ringtone rap, where damn near every song had a dance. I'd say that started more around 60-07, which had its great moments too... but mostly, it was an awkward time in hip hop.

Yup. These labels are losing money by promoting I tunes music. Funny how much these people swear that non lyrical style rappers can sell and fool customers.

 

[ohhhla]

Niggas riding for the south because that's where they are from.

Most southerners have terrible taste.

You got niggas thinking Toomp>>> Premo

Wu Tang sucks, KRS-1 is trash and etc

They put their whole emotional behind this.

Now BDK Isn't that nice lyrically.

Y'all delusional

Niggas still stating they opinions as facts.

Point out where I stated something as a fact.

Fuck outta here.

You just have bad taste, that is all.

That's not a fact.

A fact is something you can confirmed.

I didn't say "It's a fact that southerners have bad taste."

I said in general y'all do.

shut up, nigga

Ethered and co-signed.

 

[CirocObama]

I will say this tho... when Young Jeezy said "rappin ass niggas, you better do numbers" and people ran with it, that to me marked the beginning of the end of lyricism in the mainstream. You can say it started with 50, but at least he cosigned spitters that were primarily known for rapping. I wouldn't single out the south as a whole, but that particular generation of rappers led by Jeezy and Gucci definitely ushered in the era of rap where you didn't have to be lyrical. Proof: when Waka says "we don't wanna hear that dictionary rap" or some shit like that... then again, he's a fucking idiot in general anyway.

that was 2005 aka the dark ages of rap. Now in 2013, the lyrical cats sell the most and make the most money from bigger tours than their non-lyrical counterparts.

See this is my problem with alotta hip-hop fans. I agree with the overall point of the thread & the t/s, just to make it clear.

They get caught up in this cube were their point of view is what's right. You call 2005 the dark ages, right? With albums like,

"The Documentary" (The Game), "Late Registration" (Kanye West), "Be" (Common) - one of his most popular album aside from being critically aclaimed, "The B. Coming" (Beanie Sigel), "Trauma" (DJ Quik), "The Carter II" (Lil' Wayne), "The Massacre" (50 Cent) - album got mixed review, "Trill" (Bun B), "The Sound Of Revenge" (Chamillionaire), "Thug Motivation 101" - personally never liked Jeezy, but some did., "The Fundation" (Geto Boys) etc. were some of the albums that ruled mainstream 2005.

Underground/not mainstream/the rest? "A.W.O.L." (AZ), "The Minstrel Show" (Little Brother), "Slum Village" (Slum Village), "The Testament" (Cormega), "Put It On The Line" (Ghostface & Trife Da God), "The Surviving Elements" (Pete Rock), "After Taxes" (Sheek Louch), "Monkey Barz" (Sean Price) etc.

So if i argued your point with these albums & some that i didn't even include could you really call it the dark age of rap? See, for you it might be but what makes you think your opinon is law? Just cuz you disliked certain rappers/albums i should?

My point is i'm tired of people basing their opinion on hip-hop or music on memories of their own personal life. One of my favorite years in life related to music was 2001-2002 but that doesn't mean that those years were great/bad in hip-hop or everything after was trash. But i could've been like "that was the last great year(s) in hip-hop" just based off what i remember from those days even if it ain't reality like alotta people seem to do these days.

I think he's referring to the era of ringtone rap, where damn near every song had a dance. I'd say that started more around 60-07, which had its great moments too... but mostly, it was an awkward time in hip hop.

I know he is bruh but that's my point. It's all about what you remember & pay(ed) attention to. He said 2005 was the dark age but then albums like these dropped.

2006? With albums like "Hip Hop Is Dead" (Nas), "Doctor's Advocate" (Game), "Hell Hath No Fury" (Clipse), "Kingdome Come" (Jay-Z), "Thug Motivation 102" (Jeezy), "King" (T.I.), "Blue Carpet Treatment" (Snoop), "The Big Bang" (Busta), "Year Of The Dog... Again" (DMX), "My Ghetto Report Card" (E-40), "FishScale" (Ghostface), "Laugh Now, Cry Later" (Ice Cube), "4:21: The Day After" (Method Man), "Reality Check" (Juvenile), "Time Is Money" (Styles P), "Blood Money" (Mobb Deep) etc.

Are yall telling me those ringtone rappers took over the game so much that yall ignored albums like these? That's what i'm saying. It's about what YOU (he) remembers & pay attention to. & this is just the mainstream joints not even the underground joints.

 

[lethal5]

I wish Tim Dog was still alive to make a "Fuck Down South" record.

 

[lethal5]

There's good rapper's down south, you all have started have an incredible knack for supporting the wack to ones

 

[c.b.b.]

Back in the day strip club music, bounce music etc. were perceived as their own subgenres. R & B and hip hop were seperate genres. Even in r & b you had soul music, swingbeat etc.

Somewhere during the mid nineties all those subgenres like strip club and bounce music got 'legitimized' and lumped in with hip hop. Hip hop and r & b got merged to a certain extent. Basically all American 'black' music got merged and outsiders started calling it 'urban'. Ffwd to '13 and I see the mainstream media referring to Chris Brown as a rapper.

True, quality southern hiphop is always overlooked b/c the labels want to classify "Trap rappers" and "swag/dance rappers" as southern hiphop.

Two different things IMO.

Master P was a hustler and not a good/great rapper. Why talk about the south liking Master P when he had artists that could actually rap on his label like Fiend, Soulja Slim, and Mac?

 

[Ear2DaSt]

Texas to Florida!

 

[Altoh]

in the prime of rap, every region had it's distinct sound

 

[1of1]

Didn't read but got damn this shit never fails.

 

[StillFaggyAF]

in the prime of rap, every region had it's distinct sound

the Midwest has/had no sound