Why Do Down South Cats Like and Support Garbage Rappers?

[OGClarenceBoddicker]

He has a point when he implies the South doesn't support its "lyrical" rappers

Yup. Sad that talent in some parts mean that you sound "too smart" to make music. Like being an ignoramus/ stereotype means that you some kind of Nelson Mandela that spits that "real shit that hood niggas like." Like I said, in Hip Hop, the heterosexual male that is lyrically skilled and not engages in negativity/ bullshit is THE MOST HATED person in Hip Hop. Its like if you a level headed person that can think for one self, and express their (unpopular) opinion, you will get shitted on. Its crabs in a barrel mentality if you ask me, and that is far worse than "hating" on another.

It aint even that deep cuzzin

 

[Wild Self]

How are you gonna be a rapper and you can't even talk? How are you a rapper and on 90% of your tracks you talk slow, mumble, slur and chant? How are you having an on wax battle and you're incapable of spitting one clever, memorable line?

People can get emotional all they want but everybody knows a wack emcee's material will be played out fast.


Who's still bumpin' this garbage? That joint got carried by the beat. That n*gga was just talking slow. Anybody could've done this. Every verse this n*gga spat in his life sounded like this. Since he came out he hasn't improved and why should he when these fans say sh*t like "let him get his money"? Because of that attitude of giving passes these wack n*ggas got no incentive to improve.


See the difference between real emcees and ex-drugdealers that found a new hustle? I used to f*ck with this sh*t heavy in late '99. Cool Breeze was my sh*t. Dungeon Fam was my sh*t.

You basically said it: Ex-drug dealers finding a legal new hustle.

It's like this:

The real reason they'll support this because they are (maybe) what Shawty Lo used to do: making illegal money. Even though Shawty Lo never really had the gift or talent to be considered a true emcee (battling, spitting one clever line) the fact that he got out of the negative element that could put him in jail for years by doing something like making rap music, even though he's not good at it is championed by the dudes that support this..because it's that life, that real shit they're accustomed to.

And to add to the fact, where do most drug dealers hang out the most after spending hours in the trap? The club.

So the sounds (the beat), the reactions of the peeps in the clubs when it comes on is embedded in them and that's first hand to them when doing the music.

Being a lyrical beast isn't the first thing that comes to mind.

Yup, these wack ass trap niggas try to rap and they fucked up the quality of music. Now, you got these young dudes and these pussy-whipped simps thinking that they MUST be at the club to get with a bitch and must waste their lives on some ignorant bullshit.

 

[Wild Self]

He has a point when he implies the South doesn't support its "lyrical" rappers

Yup. Sad that talent in some parts mean that you sound "too smart" to make music. Like being an ignoramus/ stereotype means that you some kind of Nelson Mandela that spits that "real shit that hood niggas like." Like I said, in Hip Hop, the heterosexual male that is lyrically skilled and not engages in negativity/ bullshit is THE MOST HATED person in Hip Hop. Its like if you a level headed person that can think for one self, and express their (unpopular) opinion, you will get shitted on. Its crabs in a barrel mentality if you ask me, and that is far worse than "hating" on another.

It aint even that deep cuzzin

Well, I hope you have that mentality when white folks take trap/ rap music away from us. People made legendary careers and groundbreaking music off of Hip Hop. To throw that away for the sake of short term money is the epitome of short-sightedness.

 

[A1000MILES]

Nigga...You have never owned rap music...

 

[Ear2DaSt]

Support Da Undeground!

I grew up on street hood shit!

These street kats be speaking reality!

 

[NoCompetition]

most ppl up here fuck wit the south, some ppl on here dont think that cause a small majority of ppl on the net hate on the south.

I got people midwest same thing. Anybody that thinks other regions dont support the South are lying to themselves. And the South just likes what sounds good to them. No fakin. You cant deny music that moves you. They played Special Ed Come on lets move it on the main station in Atl a few weeks ago and legal and his other albums been in my rotation ever sense. Where you from dont matter. People gon listen to what they want to.

 

[Muhannad]

Back in the day strip club music, bounce music etc. were perceived as their own subgenres. R & B and hip hop were seperate genres. Even in r & b you had soul music, swingbeat etc.

Somewhere during the mid nineties all those subgenres like strip club and bounce music got 'legitimized' and lumped in with hip hop. Hip hop and r & b got merged to a certain extent. Basically all American 'black' music got merged and outsiders started calling it 'urban'. Ffwd to '13 and I see the mainstream media referring to Chris Brown as a rapper.

 

[Kwan Dai]

Back in the day strip club music, bounce music etc. were perceived as their own subgenres. R & B and hip hop were seperate genres. Even in r & b you had soul music, swingbeat etc.

Somewhere during the mid nineties all those subgenres like strip club and bounce music got 'legitimized' and lumped in with hip hop. Hip hop and r & b got merged to a certain extent. Basically all American 'black' music got merged and outsiders started calling it 'urban'. Ffwd to '13 and I see the mainstream media referring to Chris Brown as a rapper.

That's simply because, the labels, radio stations, and marketing classified it all as URBAN music. AKA Black folks music. Just like way back it was called RACE music. Nothings changed really in that every Black artists of 40-50 years ago wanted to cross over because it meant more spins and more record sales. Same holds true today.

 

[a_list]

Back in the day strip club music, bounce music etc. were perceived as their own subgenres. R & B and hip hop were seperate genres. Even in r & b you had soul music, swingbeat etc.

Somewhere during the mid nineties all those subgenres like strip club and bounce music got 'legitimized' and lumped in with hip hop. Hip hop and r & b got merged to a certain extent. Basically all American 'black' music got merged and outsiders started calling it 'urban'. Ffwd to '13 and I see the mainstream media referring to Chris Brown as a rapper.

Yo, I forgot what award show it was, but Sisqo had won best hip hop video....lol

 

[OGClarenceBoddicker]

Back in the day strip club music, bounce music etc. were perceived as their own subgenres. R & B and hip hop were seperate genres. Even in r & b you had soul music, swingbeat etc.

Somewhere during the mid nineties all those subgenres like strip club and bounce music got 'legitimized' and lumped in with hip hop. Hip hop and r & b got merged to a certain extent. Basically all American 'black' music got merged and outsiders started calling it 'urban'. Ffwd to '13 and I see the mainstream media referring to Chris Brown as a rapper.

Would you care to name a few of these strip club genre artists and then a few bounce genre artists? Ol wide eyed southern frank like myself fails to remember these subgenres

 

[Trollio]

this is the t/s

 

[Maximus Rex]

This nigga funny.

 

[Maximus Rex]

this is the t/s

This nigga funny, however, I'm not from L.A.

 

[OGClarenceBoddicker]

we shollls be some niggah down heyuh

 

[Muhannad]

An open forum is basically a place where people from various backgrounds but with similar interests can debate on several subjects. In this room we mainly discuss hip hop music. Sometimes we don't agree and we use arguments to make our point and convince eachother. Anyone can disagree with me but atleast try to debate me instead of hitting that reaction button without even trying to debate me.

I'm gonna talk to you like a man, because I know you can do better than what you're doing right now. You're acting like a chick right now, freeposting, not contributing sh*t to the thread, steady co-signing and hitting that reaction button. Pull your skirt down n*gga. Keep your emotions out of this, man up. I'm not gonna call you out by name because you know who you are.

Back in the day strip club music, bounce music etc. were perceived as their own subgenres. R & B and hip hop were seperate genres. Even in r & b you had soul music, swingbeat etc.

Somewhere during the mid nineties all those subgenres like strip club and bounce music got 'legitimized' and lumped in with hip hop. Hip hop and r & b got merged to a certain extent. Basically all American 'black' music got merged and outsiders started calling it 'urban'. Ffwd to '13 and I see the mainstream media referring to Chris Brown as a rapper.

That's simply because, the labels, radio stations, and marketing classified it all as URBAN music. AKA Black folks music. Just like way back it was called RACE music. Nothings changed really in that every Black artists of 40-50 years ago wanted to cross over because it meant more spins and more record sales. Same holds true today.

Yeah I guess. It's sad though that in a way blacks still haven't made progress in 50 years to the point they own the music.

 

[Trollio]

you posted twice about the same pic, accept the feelings and grow up old man

 

[Lab Baby]

I will say this tho... when Young Jeezy said "rappin ass niggas, you better do numbers" and people ran with it, that to me marked the beginning of the end of lyricism in the mainstream. You can say it started with 50, but at least he cosigned spitters that were primarily known for rapping. I wouldn't single out the south as a whole, but that particular generation of rappers led by Jeezy and Gucci definitely ushered in the era of rap where you didn't have to be lyrical. Proof: when Waka says "we don't wanna hear that dictionary rap" or some shit like that... then again, he's a fucking idiot in general anyway.

 

[Wild Self]

I will say this tho... when Young Jeezy said "rappin ass niggas, you better do numbers" and people ran with it, that to me marked the beginning of the end of lyricism in the mainstream. You can say it started with 50, but at least he cosigned spitters that were primarily known for rapping. I wouldn't single out the south as a whole, but that particular generation of rappers led by Jeezy and Gucci definitely ushered in the era of rap where you didn't have to be lyrical. Proof: when Waka says "we don't wanna hear that dictionary rap" or some shit like that... then again, he's a fucking idiot in general anyway.

that was 2005 aka the dark ages of rap. Now in 2013, the lyrical cats sell the most and make the most money from bigger tours than their non-lyrical counterparts.

 

[Muhannad]

I will say this tho... when Young Jeezy said "rappin ass niggas, you better do numbers" and people ran with it, that to me marked the beginning of the end of lyricism in the mainstream. You can say it started with 50, but at least he cosigned spitters that were primarily known for rapping. I wouldn't single out the south as a whole, but that particular generation of rappers led by Jeezy and Gucci definitely ushered in the era of rap where you didn't have to be lyrical. Proof: when Waka says "we don't wanna hear that dictionary rap" or some shit like that... then again, he's a fucking idiot in general anyway.

Agreed but the Young Jeezy's, Gucci's and Waka's wouldn't be here without Master P. He lowered the bar as far as emceeing and made that brand of hip hop acceptable. P was doing what these rappers do now in the mid and late 90ties. P paved the way for 'em.

It's like these n*ggas got a disdain for rapping eventhough they been trying to get on way before they blew up and tried different styles till they found what worked for them. All that pseudo nonchalant "I'm not a rapper" attitude is a facade. "Yeah, miss me with that rap sh*t". "Rappin' a@s n*gga, you just getting show money"...

Atleast Jeezy and Gucci have been rapping before they blew and grinded. Waka got on strictly through affiliations, in his case his mom. I always felt like this n*gga's like namond from The Wire.

 

[CirocObama]

I will say this tho... when Young Jeezy said "rappin ass niggas, you better do numbers" and people ran with it, that to me marked the beginning of the end of lyricism in the mainstream. You can say it started with 50, but at least he cosigned spitters that were primarily known for rapping. I wouldn't single out the south as a whole, but that particular generation of rappers led by Jeezy and Gucci definitely ushered in the era of rap where you didn't have to be lyrical. Proof: when Waka says "we don't wanna hear that dictionary rap" or some shit like that... then again, he's a fucking idiot in general anyway.

that was 2005 aka the dark ages of rap. Now in 2013, the lyrical cats sell the most and make the most money from bigger tours than their non-lyrical counterparts.

See this is my problem with alotta hip-hop fans. I agree with the overall point of the thread & the t/s, just to make it clear.

They get caught up in this cube were their point of view is what's right. You call 2005 the dark ages, right? With albums like,

"The Documentary" (The Game), "Late Registration" (Kanye West), "Be" (Common) - one of his most popular album aside from being critically aclaimed, "The B. Coming" (Beanie Sigel), "Trauma" (DJ Quik), "The Carter II" (Lil' Wayne), "The Massacre" (50 Cent) - album got mixed review, "Trill" (Bun B), "The Sound Of Revenge" (Chamillionaire), "Thug Motivation 101" - personally never liked Jeezy, but some did., "The Fundation" (Geto Boys) etc. were some of the albums that ruled mainstream 2005.

Underground/not mainstream/the rest? "A.W.O.L." (AZ), "The Minstrel Show" (Little Brother), "Slum Village" (Slum Village), "The Testament" (Cormega), "Put It On The Line" (Ghostface & Trife Da God), "The Surviving Elements" (Pete Rock), "After Taxes" (Sheek Louch), "Monkey Barz" (Sean Price) etc.

So if i argued your point with these albums & some that i didn't even include could you really call it the dark age of rap? See, for you it might be but what makes you think your opinon is law? Just cuz you disliked certain rappers/albums i should?

My point is i'm tired of people basing their opinion on hip-hop or music on memories of their own personal life. One of my favorite years in life related to music was 2001-2002 but that doesn't mean that those years were great/bad in hip-hop or everything after was trash. But i could've been like "that was the last great year(s) in hip-hop" just based off what i remember from those days even if it ain't reality like alotta people seem to do these days.