Why do/don't you believe in god?

[Bodhi]

@waterproof The Buddha taught that there is no self or soul and that everyone will die at some point. Fact. If you want me to quote suttas, I can and will

 

[waterproof]

@waterproof The Buddha taught that there is no self or soul and that everyone will die at some point. Fact. If you want me to quote suttas, I can and will

man i got books on the dude you do know the difference between the soul and spirit right??? and Buddha teaches rebirth the spirits leaves and finds a different body and how their actions can lead them to different realms, come on mayne

 

[Bodhi]

It is not a spirit; it is the mindstream. A moment of consciousness proceeds another and the energies that constitute a being continue and can create something new.

 

[Bodhi]

like a candle burning through out a night. It is neither the same flame nor a different one.

 

[judahxulu]

It is not a spirit; it is the mindstream. A moment of consciousness proceeds another and the energies that constitute a being continue and can create something new.

just because thats not the belief of the judeo-christian surface dwellers does not mean that is not a spiritual belief. spiritual because it cannot be empirically proven by current standards and measurements to exist as an actual process. whatever it is i dont understand how you cant see how such a fine tuned and intricate piece of machinery known as our physical "experience" had to have been created and not by a random explosion but by an intelligence with intent and capacity to create such a complex order and network known as "existence" (who perhaps used a not random explosion to bring "reality" into reality. this is my understanding derived from the writings that are source(s) of the bible and other books not included, like the book of enoch. this is not my personal interpretation either. this is what it say in the hebrew thought with cultural context and a hieroglyph implications of whole words and root consonant clusters in mind.

 

[Bodhi]

Yall trying to catch me in something like I'm some type of hypocrite I guess. First of all, I'm not a Buddhist and I've said that several times on this forum. What I did say is that I study Buddhism and Taoism. I've studied Rastafari too but I don't claim to be one. I'm far from it. My beliefs are influenced by what I study. I would say that the teachings of the Buddha play a big part in who I currently am. The Buddha himself said not to get attached to his teachings or caught up in ideas and theories. you can keep asking me questions abput Buddhism; I would be happy to answer them but if you are trying to make me upset, don't waste your valuable time. If you arent genuinely trying to learn anything, please don't waste my time. If ypu want to disprove Buddhism, please do

 

[Bodhi]

Judah I will answer that soon my phone bout to die and I'm at work

 

[judahxulu]

Yall trying to catch me in something like I'm some type of hypocrite I guess. First of all, I'm not a Buddhist and I've said that several times on this forum. What I did say is that I study Buddhism and Taoism. I've studied Rastafari too but I don't claim to be one. I'm far from it. My beliefs are influenced by what I study. I would say that the teachings of the Buddha play a big part in who I currently am. The Buddha himself said not to get attached to his teachings or caught up in ideas and theories. you can keep asking me questions abput Buddhism; I would be happy to answer them but if you are trying to make me upset, don't waste your valuable time. If you arent genuinely trying to learn anything, please don't waste my time. If ypu want to disprove Buddhism, please do

You know what page Im on. If I wanna have my screen persona be an asshole Ill do that. My modes as mercurial on here as to get things out of my system that are not expedient in the "real"(lol) world. the man behind the myth says, nothing wrong with the core principles of buddhism, its been altered in form like everything else but its part of a larger framework of interlacing core principles in seemingly opposing religious forms when you peel back the dermis. this implied larger network implies all this stuff, including the bible and buddhism, was broken off a larger chunk. that and other stuff ive mentioned and not mentioned ties into my skepticism of evolutionary theory in its origins and relation to the political/ economic climate of the scientific community at large. it is a very plausible scenario that those in power know about that shit and the fucking millions of years men been creating shit and fucking up over and over again with global cataclysms following set patterns (mayans/hopi/hebrew/sumerian etc). and they ASSIMILATED COLLECTIONS OF THAT KNOWLEDGE and destroyed their footprints (almost). many military missions in the modern era have been about capturing relics and not just politics or money. hence, iraqs occupation. hello...sumer? babylon? im pretty sure that mixed with inter-dimensional ("alien") interference is why religion and atheism were created by the same structure. keep mufuckas beefing while the looking at the bigger picture with 150,000 year old decoder rings (lol) controlling everybody dumb ass with ancient secrets they have you believe are myths or realities removed from your reality.

 

[Bodhi]

nothing wrong with the core principles of buddhism, its been altered in form like everything else but its part of a larger framework of interlacing core principles in seemingly opposing religious forms when you peel back the dermis. this implied larger network implies all this stuff, including the bible and buddhism, was broken off a larger chunk.

Actually, this is why I don't tie myself down to a particular religion. The Kybalion, what I posted in the 7 principles thread got me onto this. This larger framework is what I'm trying to get a grip on by studying and debating religion and spirituality. Chemist suggested some books to read to understand the idea of light and consciousness. It caught my attention when he mentioned it because I had read this:http://www.gnosis.org/library/hermes1.html earlier on, on the path.

 

[Bodhi]

It is not a spirit; it is the mindstream. A moment of consciousness proceeds another and the energies that constitute a being continue and can create something new.

just because thats not the belief of the judeo-christian surface dwellers does not mean that is not a spiritual belief. spiritual because it cannot be empirically proven by current standards and measurements to exist as an actual process. whatever it is i dont understand how you cant see how such a fine tuned and intricate piece of machinery known as our physical "experience" had to have been created and not by a random explosion but by an intelligence with intent and capacity to create such a complex order and network known as "existence" (who perhaps used a not random explosion to bring "reality" into reality. this is my understanding derived from the writings that are source(s) of the bible and other books not included, like the book of enoch. this is not my personal interpretation either. this is what it say in the hebrew thought with cultural context and a hieroglyph implications of whole words and root consonant clusters in mind.

Personally, I just don't see it. I believe there is more to this energy that forms the universe and our being that we have yet to understand fully. I would have to really think on an answer to that question because it's difficult to put into words. The idea of eternal energy seems more logical to me than an eternal god sitting behind it. I like the example of the ocean and the waves and I constantly bring it up to explain my beliefs to different people. The waves and foam and bubbles, etc. are all very complex and beautiful but they are not created by any being or intelligence. They are caused by forces such as wind, motion. We are very complex creatures and the universe is beautiful to us, but it is all energy, vibration. I have no reason to assume that it was created by any preceding intelligence.

 

[bambu]

See what I mean, Maestro.

****crickets chirping****

Your whole crew vagina... you and your cosigner...............

 

[judahxulu]

@Bambu Who in Here That Call You Bimbo Have You Really Made Your Son? C'mon Son (Ed Lover Voice) Gtfoh!

They Not Qualified, Especially When they Keep Referring to it as Darwin's Theory of Evolution like The Theory Hasn't Progressed since Then or Point out a Flaw or Something where Science Disagrees & Thinks That Disproves Evolution.

I Understand the Convo Might Actually Enlighten Some & Maybe Clear up Some Misconceptions, But I Don't Know Them Who Cares What They Think, Die Stupid Thinking That Evolution is Just a Theory (A Layman's Way of Saying a Educated Guess or Hunch). Why Should I Give a Fuck? I Ain't got Time for Those Dumb ass Convo's

nigga thats not layman shit...theres no definitions scientific or otherwise that makes a THEORY a FACT...bottom line

 

[judahxulu]

It is not a spirit; it is the mindstream. A moment of consciousness proceeds another and the energies that constitute a being continue and can create something new.

just because thats not the belief of the judeo-christian surface dwellers does not mean that is not a spiritual belief. spiritual because it cannot be empirically proven by current standards and measurements to exist as an actual process. whatever it is i dont understand how you cant see how such a fine tuned and intricate piece of machinery known as our physical "experience" had to have been created and not by a random explosion but by an intelligence with intent and capacity to create such a complex order and network known as "existence" (who perhaps used a not random explosion to bring "reality" into reality. this is my understanding derived from the writings that are source(s) of the bible and other books not included, like the book of enoch. this is not my personal interpretation either. this is what it say in the hebrew thought with cultural context and a hieroglyph implications of whole words and root consonant clusters in mind.

Personally, I just don't see it. I believe there is more to this energy that forms the universe and our being that we have yet to understand fully. I would have to really think on an answer to that question because it's difficult to put into words. The idea of eternal energy seems more logical to me than an eternal god sitting behind it. I like the example of the ocean and the waves and I constantly bring it up to explain my beliefs to different people. The waves and foam and bubbles, etc. are all very complex and beautiful but they are not created by any being or intelligence. They are caused by forces such as wind, motion. We are very complex creatures and the universe is beautiful to us, but it is all energy, vibration. I have no reason to assume that it was created by any preceding intelligence.

u on bullshit. what the fuck is 'eternal energy'? explain in scientific terms how it is likely that such interdependent and irreducibly complex systems occurred by chance.

 

[maestro_lungs]

@Bambu Who in Here That Call You Bimbo Have You Really Made Your Son? C'mon Son (Ed Lover Voice) Gtfoh!

They Not Qualified, Especially When they Keep Referring to it as Darwin's Theory of Evolution like The Theory Hasn't Progressed since Then or Point out a Flaw or Something where Science Disagrees & Thinks That Disproves Evolution.

I Understand the Convo Might Actually Enlighten Some & Maybe Clear up Some Misconceptions, But I Don't Know Them Who Cares What They Think, Die Stupid Thinking That Evolution is Just a Theory (A Layman's Way of Saying a Educated Guess or Hunch). Why Should I Give a Fuck? I Ain't got Time for Those Dumb ass Convo's

nigga thats not layman shit...theres no definitions scientific or otherwise that makes a THEORY a FACT...bottom line

Look up What Scientific Theory Means, Before You Make Goofy Statements! I'm not saying a Theory is a Fact. A scientific theory is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment & If You wanna Continue to Say Evolution is JUST A THEORY as if That Means it's Just a Guess, Well…so is General Relativity that covers gravity. There are statements from the National Academy of Science, and any other scientific organization you want to name that state evolution is a fact. Playing silly games because you don’t understand what a theory is in science is goofy. And if there were a group that would make the declaration that it is now a fact, that body is already on record saying exactly that. The AAS’s statement points out that it is more solid than any description of gravity, and that’s very much true if you really understand.

 

[Bodhi]

Eternal energy is energy that is eternal

 

[judahxulu]

@Bambu Who in Here That Call You Bimbo Have You Really Made Your Son? C'mon Son (Ed Lover Voice) Gtfoh!

They Not Qualified, Especially When they Keep Referring to it as Darwin's Theory of Evolution like The Theory Hasn't Progressed since Then or Point out a Flaw or Something where Science Disagrees & Thinks That Disproves Evolution.

I Understand the Convo Might Actually Enlighten Some & Maybe Clear up Some Misconceptions, But I Don't Know Them Who Cares What They Think, Die Stupid Thinking That Evolution is Just a Theory (A Layman's Way of Saying a Educated Guess or Hunch). Why Should I Give a Fuck? I Ain't got Time for Those Dumb ass Convo's

nigga thats not layman shit...theres no definitions scientific or otherwise that makes a THEORY a FACT...bottom line

Look up What Scientific Theory Means, Before You Make Goofy Statements! I'm not saying a Theory is a Fact. A scientific theory is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment & If You wanna Continue to Say Evolution is JUST A THEORY as if That Means it's Just a Guess, Well…so is General Relativity that covers gravity. There are statements from the National Academy of Science, and any other scientific organization you want to name that state evolution is a fact. Playing silly games because you don’t understand what a theory is in science is goofy. And if there were a group that would make the declaration that it is now a fact, that body is already on record saying exactly that. The AAS’s statement points out that it is more solid than any description of gravity, and that’s very much true if you really understand.

dumbasss i DID look it up..apparently you didnt. you niggas copy and paste stock arguments from atheist sites IMO cause 90% of you say the same shit and have that same crazy ass lying reasoning. nigga there is nothing at all wrong with my understanding. theories are falsifiable by definition whether in the layman or scientific sense-- thats the commom denominator. saying its the most plausible scenario is hella subjective, but even if that is accepted then it still JUST plausible- regardless of the degree one wants to declare. when the aas shows why evolution is a fact yet observable macro-evolution even in organisms with tiny life spans like fruit flies and bacteria is NON-EXISTENT. why why they not turning into other shit? quit trying to be condescending because i actually do know more about science than you. you mentioned gravity as if the nature of it has not been wildly questioned recently. and even in that, what they call gravity IS DIRECTLY OBSERVABLE NIGGA. i was bout to marry a damn physics masters student dude. she would talk about shit like that in regular convo. you full of shit and false flagging like you know stuff but i can tell you dont.... the scientific community is corrupt as any other profit oriented industry in a capitalist society. you acting like that wouldnt factor in shows how you lack REAL education and perspective based on the historical reality of the past few hundred years.

 

[judahxulu]

Eternal energy is energy that is eternal

eternity is not observable. and what scientific studies demonstrate this generic "energy" you speak of behave in the ways you described.

 

[Bodhi]

Quantum physics, string theory

 

[Bodhi]

Any given point in time is 0 on a number line. Any past time is negative numbers and future time is positive numbers.

 

[maestro_lungs]

@Bambu Who in Here That Call You Bimbo Have You Really Made Your Son? C'mon Son (Ed Lover Voice) Gtfoh!

They Not Qualified, Especially When they Keep Referring to it as Darwin's Theory of Evolution like The Theory Hasn't Progressed since Then or Point out a Flaw or Something where Science Disagrees & Thinks That Disproves Evolution.

I Understand the Convo Might Actually Enlighten Some & Maybe Clear up Some Misconceptions, But I Don't Know Them Who Cares What They Think, Die Stupid Thinking That Evolution is Just a Theory (A Layman's Way of Saying a Educated Guess or Hunch). Why Should I Give a Fuck? I Ain't got Time for Those Dumb ass Convo's

nigga thats not layman shit...theres no definitions scientific or otherwise that makes a THEORY a FACT...bottom line

Look up What Scientific Theory Means, Before You Make Goofy Statements! I'm not saying a Theory is a Fact. A scientific theory is "a well-substantiated explanation of some aspect of the natural world, based on a body of facts that have been repeatedly confirmed through observation and experiment & If You wanna Continue to Say Evolution is JUST A THEORY as if That Means it's Just a Guess, Well…so is General Relativity that covers gravity. There are statements from the National Academy of Science, and any other scientific organization you want to name that state evolution is a fact. Playing silly games because you don’t understand what a theory is in science is goofy. And if there were a group that would make the declaration that it is now a fact, that body is already on record saying exactly that. The AAS’s statement points out that it is more solid than any description of gravity, and that’s very much true if you really understand.

dumbasss i DID look it up..apparently you didnt. you niggas copy and paste stock arguments from atheist sites IMO cause 90% of you say the same shit and have that same crazy ass lying reasoning. nigga there is nothing at all wrong with my understanding. theories are falsifiable by definition whether in the layman or scientific sense-- thats the commom denominator. saying its the most plausible scenario is hella subjective, but even if that is accepted then it still JUST plausible- regardless of the degree one wants to declare. when the aas shows why evolution is a fact yet observable macro-evolution even in organisms with tiny life spans like fruit flies and bacteria is NON-EXISTENT. why why they not turning into other shit? quit trying to be condescending because i actually do know more about science than you. you mentioned gravity as if the nature of it has not been wildly questioned recently. and even in that, what they call gravity IS DIRECTLY OBSERVABLE NIGGA. i was bout to marry a damn physics masters student dude. she would talk about shit like that in regular convo. you full of shit and false flagging like you know stuff but i can tell you dont.... the scientific community is corrupt as any other profit oriented industry in a capitalist society. you acting like that wouldnt factor in shows how you lack REAL education and perspective based on the historical reality of the past few hundred years.

Listen Goofy. There is alot Wrong with Your Understanding, If You Think Evolution is not a Fact & The Largest Body of Science does! We've Already Went Through the what is Fact & Why we Can't Have 100% certainty that anything does not exist ! Wanting certainty is understandable. We all want it, and try to create it, and feel betrayed when we don’t get it. But I think it’s something of a childish desire. Grown-ups are supposed to understand that there are no guarantees in this world. We’re supposed to understand this, we’re supposed to accept it, and we’re supposed to work within the world we have: the world of likelihood and probability and reasonable educated guesses.

To do otherwise — to assume that, because we can never be absolutely certain about the world, therefore we shouldn’t even try to understand it is Just Dumb. The Same Goes for Evolution, Highly Plausible is The Best we Got! Whatever Gap you see in Macro Evolution doesn't Disprove The Theory of Evolution or Make it any Less of a Fact Doofus & You Saying it Proves my Point of a Layman! No Matter if You Do or Just Think you Know More About Science than Me, The Fact Remains, You are no Scientist Buddy!! I Give Two Shits About Some Lonely Physics Whore that was Gonna Marry You. It Doesn't Make You Know Anything. The Scientific Community is World Wide & Yes There is Corruption & all That, But That's why The Scientific Method is Important! It helps to Weed that Out! If Someone Could Prove Intelligent Design or a Soul or a God or Any of that Bullshit You Talking! Science would be All Over it. The Money for that would be Crazy, Much Higher Than Any Grant from One Govt!