Why do/don't you believe in god?

[lighthearted25]

Im taking this philosophy class and I just like to read the comments on here and compare to the things said in my class.

 

[fiat_money]

For the atheist on here, do you not believe in god for a specific reason like the fact that evil exists or the fact that we have free will yet still god knows what will happen anyways; or does the general idea of an omnipotent being make no sense to you at all either way.

I'd say "evil" and "free will" are myths, and that I agree with the bolded.

 

[judahxulu]

Because man can't explain everything, cannot explain where everything came from (just theories) and cannot generate life from scratch. Because my belief is not just belief; I know.

 

[needmorecash]

is being atheist a religion? i mean atheist go hard in the paint for that status.

they will get on websites and battle you from sun up to sun down. ..

if i didnt believe in a god and declared myself an atheist i wouldnt even get in a conversation with you about it, it would seem like a big waiste of both our times.

to me atheist are looking to be convinced some how that their is a god because they feel empty inside or whatever

 

[needmorecash]

is being atheist a religion? i mean atheist go hard in the paint for that status.

they will get on websites and battle you from sun up to sun down. ..

if i didnt believe in a god and declared myself an atheist i wouldnt even get in a conversation with you about it, it would seem like a big waiste of both our times.

to me atheist are looking to be convinced some how that their is a god because they feel empty inside or whatever

 

[VIBE]

Because man can't explain everything, cannot explain where everything came from (just theories) and cannot generate life from scratch. Because my belief is not just belief; I know.

So god exists because man cannot explain it ALL? Does everything HAVE to be explained? 200 years ago we wouldn't be able to explain many things, 200 years later look at where we are and what we have accomplished. We have things and have done things that were never thought possible or even thought of yet. What about 200 years from NOW, or even 1,000? What if we're able to explain everything to a T? Does that mean then, based on what you said, since we're able to explain these things that we can't now, that god possibly doesn't exist?

 

[judahxulu]

@ VIBE. no. The central concept of my post was the last sentence. Other "reasons" are superfluous. That's the bottom line. I relate to the Most High on an experiential plateau. Call it what you may but you're just guessing because our experiience is not shared.

 

[VIBE]

You do realize The Bible exists rite? That's an example of evidence.

now whether ppl accept or reject the evidence is a different issue i don't wanna get into. But u can no more contest the Bible as evidence of God existence than you can contest my posts as evidence of my own existence. I can rightfully tell you who is the author of every single one of my posts. I made them. And how will u contest it?

Well, if that's the case then, "The Chronicles of Narnia" is evidence that talking lions do exist, that talking mice exist, that there's a fairy tale world that actually truly exist.

A book, by itself, doesn't contest to any evidence. A book can tell of a story, but if there is truth to it, the evidence would actually lie in existence right here and now. So you cannot say, "oh, the bible is the evidence", unless it was written by the hand of god and there was proof for that, you'd have an argument.

it's in the Bible - "For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is manifest in them, for God has shown it to them. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they are without excuse" (Romans 1:18-20).



"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. For by it the elders obtained a good report. Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear." (Hebrews 11:1-3)

the very things a Christian accept as being evidence of God's existence is the same things as a Christian reason why the believe. aka faith. aka the evidence of things not seen.

Faith is actually pretty weak, it's the just putting trust forth not knowing if it's true or not. That leaves it open to it being non-existent.

the evidence doesn't exist? hmm, i dunno.. are u sure?

is it that the evidence doesn't exist, or just that you discount the evidence?

The evidence doesn't exist. This is because there is NO FACTS, just ASSUMPTIONS. Science doesn't say, well here, this is what we THINK and ASSUME without evidence. They put forth many facts to form answers. They've admitted when they were wrong and have always gone back and re-tested, re-researched their findings.

you said it yourself. now can u answer, who formed them? Who brought them to?

The way the universe came to, the way life did, the way everything did isn't the same as making an object we do here on earth. So it needed NO creator.

 

[fiat_money]

is being atheist a religion?...

No.

 

[Rock_Well]

Well, if that's the case then, "The Chronicles of Narnia" is evidence that talking lions do exist, that talking mice exist, that there's a fairy tale world that actually truly exist.

oh did the author of 'The Chronicles of Narnia' claim that? And did the author of the 'Chronicles of Narnia' have to prove he existed before he started authoring his book? Why not? lol how is that anywhere near a valid analogy? oh u just being facetious?

We talking about the fact that a book exists being evidence of the AUTHOR's existence. Just like my POSTS are evidence of MY existence. Whether the contents of the book or writing itself is factual or not is a different issue.

A book, by itself, doesn't contest to any evidence. A book can tell of a story, but if there is truth to it, the evidence would actually lie in existence right here and now. So you cannot say, "oh, the bible is the evidence", unless it was written by the hand of god and there was proof for that, you'd have an argument.

Yes a book can attest to certain evidences. Example: History books. Also, whatever other evidence that can be gathered from a book well that would depend on what book we talking about now wouldn't it?

what makes the Bible evidence? Maybe because it contains testimony and eye witness accounts, for starters?

You do realize Judges in courtrooms make rulings in court based on similar types of evidence like eye witness accounts and testimony right?

and so what if God used humans as the physical instrument through which He deliver His message. All the writers of the Bible agree that the message is from God. But go ahead and claim it's from men. But yet if yall ever find who the ghostwriter of any given rapper of a particular song is, yall quick to acknowledge the GHOSTWRITER as 'author' of THAT work. (example of a valid analogy) Gotta love the flip floppy logic used by non-believers.

Faith is actually pretty weak, it's the just putting trust forth not knowing if it's true or not. That leaves it open to it being non-existent.

Speak for yourself! Fact: the Bible says differently than you about Faith... So, i don't know where you got your concept of faith, that you consider it 'weak'. No wonder no one willingly dies for it.

The evidence doesn't exist. This is because there is NO FACTS, just ASSUMPTIONS. Science doesn't say, well here, this is what we THINK and ASSUME without evidence. They put forth many facts to form answers. They've admitted when they were wrong and have always gone back and re-tested, re-researched their findings.

So, you discount the evidence. Fine. That's on you. But, how you know what Science says? you have his cell phone number? do yall talk often?

The way the universe came to, the way life did, the way everything did isn't the same as making an object we do here on earth. So it needed NO creator.

because CLEARLY u were there when it happened...

lol no further questions

 

[huey]

too much things within the universe that are not mentioned in the bible. also, our various religious texts are all basically rooted from the same stories. plus all the extraterrestrial connections with primitive man and how they evolved/influenced their way of life.

i do believe that if there is indeed a "God", its not what any of us could imagine or fathom

 

[janklow]

Well, if that's the case then, "The Chronicles of Narnia" is evidence that talking lions do exist, that talking mice exist, that there's a fairy tale world that actually truly exist.

although given the religious convictions of the author, this is probably not the BEST example for this point.

 

[VIBE]

oh did the author of 'The Chronicles of Narnia' claim that? And did the author of the 'Chronicles of Narnia' have to prove he existed before he started authoring his book? Why not? lol how is that anywhere near a valid analogy? oh u just being facetious?

We talking about the fact that a book exists being evidence of the AUTHOR's existence. Just like my POSTS are evidence of MY existence. Whether the contents of the book or writing itself is factual or not is a different issue.[\quote]

The point is that god doesnt exist based on a book.

Yes a book can attest to certain evidences. Example: History books. Also, whatever other evidence that can be gathered from a book well that would depend on what book we talking about now wouldn't it?

what makes the Bible evidence? Maybe because it contains testimony and eye witness accounts, for starters?

You do realize Judges in courtrooms make rulings in court based on similar types of evidence like eye witness accounts and testimony right

Correct, but there's actual physical evidence that exists for these things in history and court rulings. The explanation for god is this; we do not know how all things were made, therefore god did it. Which is false. We do know these things and they aren't baseless claims, there's actual evidence for the claims.

and so what if God used humans as the physical instrument through which He deliver His message. All the writers of the Bible agree that the message is from God. But go ahead and claim it's from men. But yet if yall ever find who the ghostwriter of any given rapper of a particular song is, yall quick to acknowledge the GHOSTWRITER as 'author' of THAT work. (example of a valid analogy) Gotta love the flip floppy logic used by non-believers. [\quote]

Actually, the authors of the bible, mostly, are unknown. God also never told anyone to write the bible, these were written after the fact these stories were told over and over. They weren't being written as their lives went along as some live blog/journal type of thing.

Speak for yourself! Fact: the Bible says differently than you about Faith... So, i don't know where you got your concept of faith, that you consider it 'weak'. No wonder no one willingly dies for it. [\quote]

This is what believers say as well. Faith is just that, not knowing it's there but just giving it a trusting go that it is.

So, you discount the evidence. Fine. That's on you. But, how you know what Science says? you have his cell phone number? do yall talk often?[\quote]

Science isn't a person, so I think it'd be hard to call science and ask. But I do know based on reading and the evidence presented within tests and research, none of which religion offers, remember it's just faith.

But how do you know what god says? Do you talk to god much?

because CLEARLY u were there when it happened...

lol no further questions quote]

Ah, the silly ol "you were there/weren't there" saying. It's all traceable to a single event. Do you know what they have to say about this? Or you just ignore it ignorantly?

 

[Disciplined InSight]

@ VIBE. no. The central concept of my post was the last sentence. Other "reasons" are superfluous. That's the bottom line. I relate to the Most High on an experiential plateau. Call it what you may but you're just guessing because our experiience is not shared.

Good post...why should the believer share what the atheist can't or refuse to accept it without questioning it?

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I believe in life, because life exists. Which is not much different than a "god".

 

[fiat_money]

I guess if you exclude the parts that aren't the same, "god" and "life" aren't too different.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

They say god gives life, I say life gives life!!

 

[judahxulu]

@ disciplined insght.. I'm saying as well I even reject the term "believer". Belief is to experience as religion is to spirituality. Once we see our spirituality unfold physically and become the witness, we cease to believe. We know. Atheists do not believe or know the same thing because 1) their preconceived notions cause them to not at all or halfheartedly test and observe spirituality in motion and 2) contrary to an all to common attitude of pomp and intellectual superiority, most atheists are handicapped in that they don't have the ability to perceive the spiritual realm. Either dedicated ignorance or sour grapes. They believe but the intrinsic nature of their law codex, the scientific method prevents them from knowing. Only more questions and a one way zoom which can only see the detail in individual things but never their wholistic relativity.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Because I realized it's all based on belief and not anything of fact.

Either you believe a God created everything yet didn't need a creator and tell everyone that everything needs a creator

Or you use common sense and realize it's a flawed argument and come to the conclusion that there never was a point of non existence.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

is being atheist a religion? i mean atheist go hard in the paint for that status.

they will get on websites and battle you from sun up to sun down. ..

if i didnt believe in a god and declared myself an atheist i wouldnt even get in a conversation with you about it, it would seem like a big waiste of both our times.

to me atheist are looking to be convinced some how that their is a god because they feel empty inside or whatever

Atheists argue against your fairy tales because they are detrimental to society and placing focus on self rather than mystic beings is beneficial to society. In a species so advanced one would think there is no longer a need to explain the unknown with guesses when a solid method is in place to figure the answers out.