Why do Christians think they got a green light to fck before marriage and swine up?

[Arya Tsaddiq]

who the hell told you this

if they're Christians, not Jews, i don't see why they would follow every last nuance of the Old Testament

Umm.....Christ did in Matthew 5:17-18

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

 

[Dupac]

like the whole bible is about people who keep fucking up...

almost everytime the law is laid down, it's because ppl were fuckign up...

all the instruction in the bible is because people consistantly fuck up...

the entire point of Christ dying is because, we stay fucking up....

the point i'm trying to make is that God is a forgiving God.....we're gonna fuck up, just ask for forgiveness, pray for guidance, and continue to give Him the praise, and keep it moving..

He'll set the rest in order when He comes......

 

[kingblaze84]

So yall gonna act like fiat didn't just ether Christianity?

Christianity is a fucking joke......but most of us here knew that already.....including most Christians. Proof? How many Christians really follow the Bible?

NONE.....they take the Bible as seriously as an atheist does.

 

[Darius]

Umm.....Christ did in Matthew 5:17-18

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

i think in that passage, "the Law" is some sort of proper noun, that means something ( i dont know what, maybe the commandments?) different from the law or all things legal

 

[kingblaze84]

like the whole bible is about people who keep fucking up...

almost everytime the law is laid down, it's because ppl were fuckign up...

all the instruction in the bible is because people consistantly fuck up...

the entire point of Christ dying is because, we stay fucking up....

the point i'm trying to make is that God is a forgiving God.....we're gonna fuck up, just ask for forgiveness, pray for guidance, and continue to give Him the praise, and keep it moving..

He'll set the rest in order when He comes......

He'll be coming any second now........

 

[Arya Tsaddiq]

i think in that passage, "the Law" is some sort of proper noun, that means something ( i dont know what, maybe the commandments?) different from the law or all things legal

I read this a few times, though about it, read it again, and still dont understand lol. The law is he law. Explain a lilttle better so I can understand.

 

[Darius]

I read this a few times, though about it, read it again, and still dont understand lol. The law is he law. Explain a lilttle better so I can understand.

i dont know enough about it to explain it, i'm just offering a possible explanation. Describing God is not the same thing as describing a god. One is specific, the other is much broader. So to me, the law is the law, but the law is not The Law in the Biblical sense. The Law maybe refers to something very specific, maybe the 10 commandments - honor your father and your mother for example. Its possible that it is not part of man's law but it is a part of God's Law.

 

[janklow]

10 commandments? those were laws that were direct orders from God. now as for the other laws referenced in the OT, i don't know if the same applies.

i'm pretty sure they're not the only things considered "direct orders from god" in the OT

But don't Christians believe the Old Testament is the "word of God"? If so, do they feel that "God's word" is not absolute or that "God's" commandments do not need to be followed?

i would say the answer to the latter is "they may feel that there have been changes made to "god's word" as written in the OT based on the addition of the NT.

Umm.....Christ did in Matthew 5:17-18

Mat 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

Mat 5:18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

now, keep reading Matthew 5 until you get to the parts where he starts contradicting things from the OT

 

[Arya Tsaddiq]

@ Janklow

I was just showing you where Christ said that. Because when Ktulu said it, you acted as if you had never seen it.

Also, nothing Christ said was contrary to what was taught in the OT. All he did was further explain what was being taught, and correcting the errors being taught by scribes and pharisees.

 

[janklow]

@ Janklow
I was just showing you where Christ said that. Because when Ktulu said it, you acted as if you had never seen it.

i was being somewhat flip; it is difficult for me to remain serious in these goddamn religious threads

 

[TootsieRoll]

christains in general dont think the rules apply to them

 

[Arya Tsaddiq]

i was being somewhat flip; it is difficult for me to remain serious in these goddamn religious threads

oh.....my bad lol

 

[fiat_money]

..
i would say the answer to the latter is "they may feel that there have been changes made to "god's word" as written in the OT based on the addition of the NT.
...

So, what would determine which parts of "God's word" in the Old Testament of the Christian bible are invalid?

Something other than convenience/believability?

 

[janklow]

So, what would determine which parts of "God's word" in the Old Testament of the Christian bible are invalid?

"the addition of the NT"

 

[fiat_money]

"the addition of the NT"

Are you implying that the New Testament of the Christian bible has parts where it invalidates portions of "God's word" from the Old Testament?

In such a case, the answers to these questions may be "No" and "Yes":

But don't Christians believe the Old Testament is the "word of God"? If so, do they feel that "God's word" is not absolute or that "God's" commandments do not need to be followed?...

Interesting.

 

[janklow]

Are you implying that the New Testament of the Christian bible has parts where it invalidates portions of "God's word" from the Old Testament?

i'm implying that i'm not sure why we would think that, despite adding the NT to the OT and all the inherent differences that entails, there would be NO changes to the religious doctrine laid out in the OT

for one thing, people could at least chill out on watching for the messiah, thus freeing up more time to get tattoos and eat pork

 

[fiat_money]

i'm implying that i'm not sure why we would think that, despite adding the NT to the OT and all the inherent differences that entails, there would be NO changes to the religious doctrine laid out in the OT

for one thing, people could at least chill out on watching for the messiah, thus freeing up more time to get tattoos and eat pork

So you don't know of any places where the New Testament of the Christian bible invalidates portions of "God's word" from the Old Testament?

If you know of any such places, are they relevant to the verses I posted earlier?

 

[Hyde Parke]

just ask for forgiveness and keep it moving...

like the whole bible is about people who keep fucking up...

almost everytime the law is laid down, it's because ppl were fuckign up...

all the instruction in the bible is because people consistantly fuck up...

the entire point of Christ dying is because, we stay fucking up....

the point i'm trying to make is that God is a forgiving God.....we're gonna fuck up, just ask for forgiveness, pray for guidance, and continue to give Him the praise, and keep it moving..

He'll set the rest in order when He comes......

this all seems very pointless. At what point do you just "know better"?

 

[janklow]

So you don't know of any places where the New Testament of the Christian bible invalidates portions of "God's word" from the Old Testament?

i am torn between the answers of "i am pretty sure i referenced an example a few posts ago" and "i'm still not understanding why you wouldn't think that the NT is going to affect the OT"

 

[fiat_money]

i am torn between the answers of "i am pretty sure i referenced an example a few posts ago" and "i'm still not understanding why you wouldn't think that the NT is going to affect the OT"

You mentioned Matthew 5 when answering vboy513's post. However, in this chapter Jesus only further adds to existing laws, limits divorce to sexual immorality, condemns oaths and revenge, and tells people love their enemies. Whether these invalidate or elaborate upon portions of the Old Testament is moot as none of them seem address any of the bans I posted earlier. It doesn't seem to say "The laws of the past are invalid.".

If the New Testament affects the Old Testament, and this is shown by verses which directly address statements or concepts from the Old Testament; I see no reason to assume the mere existence of the New Testament serves to invalidate the entirety or unaddressed portions of the Old Testament.

Seems Matthew 5 does nothing to invalidate the bans that were posted:

Assuming Christians consider the Christian bible to be their "God's word", I see no reason they wouldn't subscribe to the Old Testament's laws/rules.

Unless, of course, they ignored them out of convenience.