Why Do Africa's Wars Last So Long? (you won't like the answer...)

[Cabana_Da_Don]

Shit!!!!!!!!!

 

[Daniel Dumile]

Waka Gucci Flame

 

[busayo]

i know this but the evil whitey crowd on SL would not admit this.

 

[bornnraisedoffCMR]

Slap a white tee on this cat and I would think he was a N.O. nicca.

But man, this article is depressing as fuck Swiff. So basically, Africa is fucked?!

 

[Shuffington]

good post..

 

[Funky Dr]

Slap a white tee on this cat and I would think he was a N.O. nicca.

Correction, New Orleans PD

 

[sankara]

Another boring-ass generalized article about africa...*yawn*

Most of these correspondents really know nothing about africa and they already have pre-conceived notions about what they're going to write. In the case of the sudanese war, the war was fought because the african southerners were oppressed by the northern arabs. Additionally, all the petrodollars generated from the oil mined in the south was channelled to the north and non to the south. In the case of somalia, the al-shabaab movement is fighting (IMO rightfully) against a western imposed govt which even the local populace doesn't recognize. And in the case of congo, its generally believed that rebel forces are funded by western mining multinationals..

So to the writer, i say like sean says...

we don't believe you, you need more people

 

[Alkindus]

Hell Yeah, lets just ignore the ´incompetence´ of the UN, Africom(long live USA and their 'training' and 'educating' ). Hell, might as well ignore the shitload of multi national companies that have been plundering resource for decades and never invested anything in the community, lets ignore the shitload of governmental puppets put in position by western governments and multi national companies support of certain power movements to maintain their monopoly etc. lets ignore the fucking russians and americans who are selling arms like there is no tomorrow and their socalled proxy wars etc

I'm not saying natives don't have anything to do with it, but a shitload of wars are the direct effect of outside governments and companies who basically lay out the land and resources.

You ain't gonna like it, but the US/EU/CHinese/Russian interference

Africa's curse are it's resources......it's history.....and before you go 'oh well afrikan leaders should have done this or that, corrpution here and there', you are absolutely right, but don't pretend multi national companies and certain governments aren't of influence lol. Let not pretend people have been getting strong armed

Look at it like this: Iraq is occupied, yet people have been talking about 'free elections'.......You really believe the party that is against the occupation, is against the oil contracts for total/exxon mbile etc is going to win the election? natives are being put against eachother, all kinds of fucked up hit is happening, in the mean time the countries resources are still being taken and those that benefit don't invest shit in the community. Everyone is to blame, but the one holding the financial cards can never be forgotten, which always seems to happen when people discus the afrikan continent. lets blame it all on the corruption of the afrikans and forget about the corruption and abuse of the one who is holding most cards.

 

[hrap-120]

Another boring-ass generalized article about africa...*yawn*

Most of these correspondents really know nothing about africa and they already have pre-conceived notions about what they're going to write. In the case of the sudanese war, the war was fought because the african southerners were oppressed by the northern arabs. Additionally, all the petrodollars generated from the oil mined in the south was channelled to the north and non to the south. In the case of somalia, the al-shabaab movement is fighting (IMO rightfully) against a western imposed govt which even the local populace doesn't recognize. And in the case of congo, its generally believed that rebel forces are funded by western mining multinationals..

So to the writer, i say like sean says...

we don't believe you, you need more people

People like to bash Afrika, it helps them forget who is truly responsible for her troubles.

 

[bornnraisedoffCMR]

People like to bash Afrika, it helps them forget who is truly responsible for her troubles.

I dont think anyone here is objecting to the fact the the land of Africa got rapped repeatedly for the last few hundred years.

But, thats the thing. Anytime someone start talking about the problems over there, niggaz come in talking all that "but the evil white man came in and stole and rapped and pilaged, etc etc"

Ok. We know this. Now what??

 

[Swiffness!]

Most of these correspondents really know nothing about africa and they already have pre-conceived notions about what they're going to write. In the case of the sudanese war, the war was fought because the african southerners were oppressed by the northern arabs.

the author clearly praised Garang and has spent more time in Africa and seen more things than most of us ever will. I'm sure glad I've never had to talk with a woman who's had her lips cut off...

Hell Yeah, lets just ignore the ´incompetence´ of the UN, Africom(long live USA and their 'training' and 'educating' ). Hell, might as well ignore the shitload of multi national companies that have been plundering resource for decades and never invested anything in the community, lets ignore the shitload of governmental puppets put in position by western governments and multi national companies support of certain power movements to maintain their monopoly etc. lets ignore the fucking russians and americans who are selling arms like there is no tomorrow and their socalled proxy wars etc

true, the guys out there enslaving and raping children bear no responsibility for their actions.

I dont think anyone here is objecting to the fact the the land of Africa got rapped repeatedly for the last few hundred years.

But, thats the thing. Anytime someone start talking about the problems over there, niggaz come in talking all that "but the evil white man came in and stole and rapped and pilaged, etc etc"

Ok. We know this. Now what??

The main theme of this article is that truly principled rebels who keep their eye on the prize (like Garang) are sadly rare and that its much more common for revolutionary movements to basically devolve into death cults like the LRA that hunt the masses they originally fought for. This phenomena is by no means limited to Africa...it reminds me of how alot of the original Black Panthers forgot their ideals and become drug dealers/gangbangers. And even if the rebel group SUCCEEDS....most successful Revolutions throughout history have not led to freedom, but a new regime of oppression, Animal Farm style.

That in a nutshell, is why I'm oh-so-skeptical of anyone screamin "REVOLUTION!"

 

[Alkindus]

true, the guys out there enslaving and raping children bear no responsibility for their actions.

Everybody is responsible for their own doings, but if you wonder why wars in africa last so long dont act like non african governments/multi national companies are not of influence in the cause and or longetivty of the wars. When someone writes an article about afrikan wars and totally ignores that crucial aspect he or she doesn't know what she is talking about.

thats like writing an article about the elections in Iraq but not mentioning US presence/occupation and oil company benefits.

 

[busayo]

Hell Yeah, lets just ignore the ´incompetence´ of the UN, Africom(long live USA and their 'training' and 'educating' )

you are right, the same UN that the sudanese government repeatedly tried to block from sending a peacekeeping force. the same UN and ECOMOG that risked their lives in sierra-leone and liberia while folks were blaming whitey.

thats like writing an article about the elections in Iraq but not mentioning US presence/occupation and oil company benefits.

the US loses money to iraq, iraqi postwar oil production has taken a huge dip. i guess the US invaded kuwait for the oil too

 

[garv]

Hell Yeah, lets just ignore the ´incompetence´ of the UN, Africom(long live USA and their 'training' and 'educating' )

you are right, the same UN that the sudanese government repeatedly tried to block from sending a peacekeeping force. the same UN and ECOMOG that risked their lives in sierra-leone and liberia while folks were blaming whitey.

thats like writing an article about the elections in Iraq but not mentioning US presence/occupation and oil company benefits.

the US loses money to iraq, iraqi postwar oil production has taken a huge dip. i guess the US invaded kuwait for the oil too

You are the biggest House-negro on these boards, i can't believe your from the same peoples as me.

 

[busayo]

You are the biggest House-negro on these boards, i can't believe your from the same peoples as me.

all hail mugabe

 

[glowy]

Basically someone needs to go around and eliminate all these Warlords., instill a working government, and get some competent leaders. (or course it's not that simple)

Also, all of the followers of these Warlords need to be executed.

Mass graves.

 

[busayo]

Also, all of the followers of these Warlords need to be executed.

including the child soldiers?

 

[sankara]

Something else that needs to be done is to stop generalizing these wars as 'african wars'. By placing 'african' before the noun 'wars', it adjectifies a war as somehow inherently african and its made to seem like the whole continent is plagued by wars rather than a handful of countries. Out of 54 african countries, only 2 have what can be considered a war and only 2 more can be classified as tapering towards war - which means 'war' only affects 7% of africa. Reality is, majority of african countries have never experienced a war and are unlikely to do so.

Truth is there are only 2 war in africa (the eastern congo and northern uganda). A war is a number of battles fought in a series between two or more armed sides and qualifies. The sudanese conflict the reporter talks of ended in '02. The LRA (in n.uganda) has been pretty much vanquished by the Ugandan govt and its basically been relegated to a small militia that raids a village once every month or 2 months. The real wars (sierra leone, angola, liberia, mozambique) ended and these countries are progressing - angola for instance has the worlds highest economic growth rate. The biggest problem is that the west will continue to push a negative perception of africa even if times change.

 

[hrap-120]

I dont think anyone here is objecting to the fact the the land of Africa got rapped repeatedly for the last few hundred years.

But, thats the thing. Anytime someone start talking about the problems over there, niggaz come in talking all that "but the evil white man came in and stole and rapped and pilaged, etc etc"

Ok. We know this. Now what??

(What is "rapped"...are you talking about HipHop in Afrika"?)

Either you are overly paranoid or your boss is looking over your shoulder.

Nobody has mentioned a "white-man" in any of these posts except for you, what has been mentioned is the multi-national companies and outside interference from various governments who are complicit in much of the strife taking place in the motherland with all her colonial borders.

Anytime somebody points out the complexities of conflicts in Afrika and the underlying issues that exacerbate these tensions niggaz come in talking all that "dont be's talkin' bout da white folk's you gawn get us in a whole heap of trouble...massah likely to whoop ya'll"...etc..etc...O.K. we heard that now what?

 

[glowy]

Also, all of the followers of these Warlords need to be executed.

including the child soldiers?

Yes.

Some of them may have already become accustomed to that way of life, sacrifices must be made.