Why did God forsake Jesus on the cross?

[VIBE]

So what was the statute of limitations on this sacrifice? Was it for the 3 days? Did he die for only the sins that was committed up to his death, or was the future sins included in this sacrifice as well?

Hebrews 2:9-10

But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels for the suffering of death, crowned with glory and honour; that he by the grace of God should taste death for every man. For it became him, for whom [are] all things, and by whom [are] all things, in bringing many sons unto glory, to make the captain of their salvation perfect through sufferings.

For all of us, 'all of mankind'. Not 'all of God's elect', not 'just Israel', not 'for our time only'. For ALL of MANKIND. Everyone, you, me, Chozen, TX, And Step, DoU, It's Over! All of us.

Did he die for the sins of white slave masters, 9/11 terrorist, those who don't believe in Jesus, drive by shooters, the Nazis, big meech and Larry Hoove? Me? If I don't accept him as my lord and savior is that a sin? And did he die for that? Can he not understand why I doubt his story and theirs no evil intent behind it? Or will I be held accountable any way as if he didn't do anything at all?

Yes, he died to cleanse us of our sins. Thing is ONLY if you can repent, accept, believer, follow etc. You can't just be forgiven just to be forgiven. Those people, those groups are ONLY forgiven if they can go about it right and turn from their evil ways. God hates the evildoer, He hates sin.

If you personally don't accept Him then your sins cannot be forgiven. Did he die for that, for you to NOT accept Him? No, but only if you DO accept Him has he died for your sins. You will be held accountable anyways.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

I like what Ether said and I'm still waiting for why he said his father had abandoned him. You still have yet to give an explanation for that. I don't see how God allowing him to die symbolized his father abandoning him to the point he was shocked because after all that was plan A from the get go.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

I like what Ether said and I'm still waiting for why he said his father had abandoned him. You still have yet to give an explanation for that. I don't see how God allowing him to die symbolized his father abandoning him to the point he was shocked because after all that was plan A from the get go.

He said god ditched jesus because god can't die, therefore after god dropped jesus he could no longer live and thus gave up the spirit. And that is how god forsake jesus.

 

[VIBE]

So, why did God forsake (abandon, leave) His Son? For God to accept His Son's sacrifice to atone for our sins (which was the only way for this to happen), God had to leave His side. God, cannot be killed. Jesus, for the first time ever was experiencing God being separated from Him. Jesus was now experiencing abandonment because God placed the sins of mankind on Him. This is why He says, "Why have you forsaken me?" Jesus now felt the weight of mankind's sin upon Him and God (at the time, for a short time) was no longer with Him anymore.

That's why. For Jesus to die for our sins God HAD TO LEAVE Him. Period. That was the only way Jesus could die for our sins. All sins of the world were placed upon Jesus, Jesus was sin. Jesus only knew sin by law, not by experience. Jesus never sinned. Now I'm sure you know that, and I did explain why God left Jesus. Why Jesus said what He said. For the first time EVER Jesus was without God, for that short time He felt the grieving of the world, the SINS they had because it was PLACED upon Him.

Romans 8:3
3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature,[a] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man,[c]


2 Corinthians 5:21
21God made him who had no sin to be sin[a] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

That's why. For Jesus to die for our sins God HAD TO LEAVE Him. Period. That was the only way Jesus could die for our sins. All sins of the world were placed upon Jesus, Jesus was sin. Jesus only knew sin by law, not by experience. Jesus never sinned. Now I'm sure you know that, and I did explain why God left Jesus. Why Jesus said what He said. For the first time EVER Jesus was without God, for that short time He felt the grieving of the world, the SINS they had because it was PLACED upon Him.

Romans 8:3
3For what the law was powerless to do in that it was weakened by the sinful nature,[a] God did by sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful man to be a sin offering. And so he condemned sin in sinful man,[c]


2 Corinthians 5:21
21God made him who had no sin to be sin[a] for us, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Ok, so in that case then who took over Jesus? You have said he and God were one in the same. For God to abandon Jesus someone would have to have taken the place.

 

[VIBE]

Ok, so in that case then who took over Jesus? You have said he and God were one in the same. For God to abandon Jesus someone would have to have taken the place.

Jesus was now man. Which is why I put down Philippians. Jesus was emptied of God and was now man.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

Jesus was now man. Which is why I put down Philippians. Jesus was emptied of God and was now man.

But what man took God's place? You can't just throw a new brain into a body and expect it to have any memory of anything.

 

[VIBE]

It has nothing to do with Jesus' brain. The Spirit of God left Him, now he's purely man. Like Philippians says, "did not consider equality with God something to be grasped". If you cannot grasp what I am saying and will keep questioning and questioning each of my responses then I don't know what else to say.

I'm just gonna end up continuously repeating myself. I'm trying not to keep on using scripture to explain it to you. It's pretty easily interpreted to mean what it says. The 'man' that took God's place was the man of Jesus Christ. That's who. He wasn't a new person, he wasn't a new brain, he was now just a man. Like I said it was for a short time as you can see.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

It has nothing to do with Jesus' brain. The Spirit of God left Him, now he's purely man. Like Philippians says, "did not consider equality with God something to be grasped". If you cannot grasp what I am saying and will keep questioning and questioning each of my responses then I don't know what else to say.

I'm just gonna end up continuously repeating myself. I'm trying not to keep on using scripture to explain it to you. It's pretty easily interpreted to mean what it says. The 'man' that took God's place was the man of Jesus Christ. That's who. He wasn't a new person, he wasn't a new brain, he was now just a man. Like I said it was for a short time as you can see.

You say Jesus and God were the same, God left Jesus, that means Jesus of Nazareth was just flesh at that point, no soul or energy inside of that body. What man took that place? If God manifested himself as man and came down as Jesus then there was no Jesus in that body ever.

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

The Spirit of God left Him, now he's purely man.

By saying what you have said, you have indirectly said jesus was not god incarnate, but a man in whom the spirit of god dwelt.

 

[ThaChozenWun]

By saying what you have said, you have indirectly said jesus was not god incarnate, but a man in whom the spirit of god dwelt.

This is what Im trying to get at, God and Jesus couldn't have been the same then if God left and a man was already inside of Jesus. It would be basically saying that Jesus of Nazareth was an average guy who was possessed by God at the time of Birth. If one entity was that person and left another entity would have to have been formed to fill that void and if Jesus was god there was no other entity in there.

 

[VIBE]

Well, this is my fault. Simply I assumed the interpretation. I will not take back what I said because originally that's what I got. Reviewing all over I come to a different conclusion but that conclusion confuses me to be honest I just gotta see one thing. Um never again will I short myself with a day or two. I never took into consideration what you're saying and what I very indirectly said. So what I said was what it is at first I'll get back to this when I can truly get to it with assumptions.