Whose rapping abilities fell off more: Jay-Z or Eminem

[Soprano27]

Ems content is redundant, production sucks, and makes corny songs that become hits. But as rap god showed fuck around and he ll body ya.

Yeah, Eminem should have been rapping about how rich he is for the last 15 years.

yeah, cause that's all Jay raps about on songs like Heaven, Holy Grail, New Day, Why I Love You, Made In America, No Church in the Wild, Nickels and Dimes, Jay Z Blue, Glory, Welcome to the Jungle, Empire State of Mind, Young Forever...the list goes on. Even on the braggadocio songs, to claim that ALL he raps about is 'how rich he is' is a HUGE misrepresentation and a disservice to any literary critic.

The quote's been overused, but 'do you fools listen to music, or do you just skim through it?' couldn't be more accurate.

but all of those you mentioned are some of hte worst songs in all of jayz's career....regardless of concepts his hunger isn't there, his flow is weak, and the lyrical ability has all dropped considerably

The WORST songs of his career? No Church in the Wild is one of the worst songs of Jay's career? Empire State of Mind is one of the worst songs of his career? Jay Z Blue is one of the worst songs of his career? Why I Love You? Explain how any of the songs I named are BAD.

 

[Soprano27]

LMAO @ the poll results. I guess this forum thinks that rapping fast with big words = being a good rapper. MMLP2 was definitely an improvement from his last 3 horrid releases, but to say Em is better than Jay is absurd. MCHG is a good album (better than MMLP2), and Jay's performance on WTT > anything Em's done since 2002. LOL @ people mentioning Rap God as some kind of argument in Em's favor. Besides a couple of lines, that song is completely forgettable. "to rap like a computer must be in my genes, I got a laptop in my backpocket", "how could I not blow, all I drop are f bombs", "if I can't batter the women, how the fuck am I supposed to bake em a cake then"...this is good lyricism to you?

It seems like most of you don't really have a good understanding of what 'good rapping' truly is.

Who said Em is better than Jay? The OP asked who fell off more, and that's clearly JayZ; however, despite that fall off he still gets the nod over Eminem.

Your reading comprehension skills are lacking.

To say he fell off more is equally ridiculous.

How did Jay Z fall off more? Do you REALLY think he wasn't lyrically great on Watch the Throne? And you're comparing him to the guy who went from Sing for the Moment and Say Goodbye to Hollywood and Stan to Survival and Rap God (Rap God is not lyrically great...it's mediocre...rapping fast does not make something good). Bad Guy is probably only song on MMLP2 that isn't marred with weak lyricism.

 

[Soprano27]

Im not gonna vote on this cause I cant take someone who names themself after Fat Joe seriously......

Nobody has fallen off...It's just that the landscape of Rap music has changed over the years... What ppl used to find cool aint so cool anymore.

JayZ didnt fall off, he just doesnt make music for the hood or true heads anymore. He's more concerned with his image among the Bougie negros(Oprah,Barack, etc) and the Hamptons bunch(Rich white ppl). You can tell by the videos and content of MCHG. Dude had a chick from that hipster show "Girls" all over his video, but Im sure that if need be, he will still show how it's done(Just like Will Smith)

It's unfortunate that Em gets a biased opinion everytime cause of expectations....He stays in his own lane and gets shitted on for being a white dude in Hip Hop..Ppl say he's fallen, but I dont agree....Hip hop is 5 components and Mc's is one of them....Production is not....Em is probably the best MC out. he's the only battle rapper to take it to the next level successfully and still doing it.....

The reviews on this last album should truly be the answer to if he's fallen off......

Bruh ain't nobody talking about subject matter. Jay's flow, and word play fell off times 10 and it's pretty evident. And Em isn't the only battle rapper to take it to the next level, JayZ is a battle rapper stupid.

Also, to say Em is the best emcee is supreme bias. Emceeing refers to flow, voice, delivery, imagery, word play, metaphors, punches, diction, creativity, originality, live performance etc. In 2013, Em is lacking in at least half of those things.

"Bueller had a Mueller but I switched it for a Mille, cause I'm richer, and prior to the shit was moving freebase"

yeah, Jay's wordplay fell off

 

[Mr.LV]

"And in the winter (Anna wintour) gets cold en vogue with ya skin out."- Jay-z

Anna wintour Vogue magazine editor in chief

 

[DR. JEK]

Jay fell off harder if you ask me. I may have considered Eminem because he did fall off alot but homie put on a syllable clinic on that Rap God song. And Slims wordplay has always been wittier and had a better kick to it than Jay to me. We have to go all the way back to Reasonable dought to find alotta Jays stronger double meaning bars

Rap God >>>>>than anything this guy who cant even out spit Yeezus (who has also fell off hard so that's saying something)has come out with in the last 10 years...

 

[DR. JEK]

It pains me to have to post what i posted because the shadyteam bitch be getting on my nerves on here but i gotta call a spade a spade and keep it a hundid

 

[Breezy_Kilroy]

Jay gets shitted on for releasing KC and BP3 but Em has Encore Recovery and Relapse (not bad) in his stash and niggas act like that shit ain't never happen.

And stop that shit, production is just as important as lyrics are.

If that was the case their would be a shit ton of a cappella albums.

How can niggas devalue production when whoever they are critiquing values it?

Look at SH last album production wise, Em know what the fuck he doing.

So niggas never criticized Relapse and Recovery?

To the extent of KC and BP3? No not to my knowledge.

When I do hear the criticism for each it's always he was on drugs or he just got sober, which to me sound like excuses instead of standing by the notion that they are sub par.

 

[herbalism101]

Fell off...What the fuck ever.....

 

[Soprano27]

Jay fell off harder if you ask me. I may have considered Eminem because he did fall off alot but homie put on a syllable clinic on that Rap God song. And Slims wordplay has always been wittier and had a better kick to it than Jay to me. We have to go all the way back to Reasonable dought to find alotta Jays stronger double meaning bars

Rap God >>>>>than anything this guy who cant even out spit Yeezus (who has also fell off hard so that's saying something)has come out with in the last 10 years...

lmfaoooooo

Is Rap God your definition of good wordplay and lyricism? No wonder you think Jay can't 'outspit' Kanye.

What the fuck is witty about 'and if I can't batter the women, how the fuck am I supposed to bake them a cake' ? The entire song is marred by half baked attempts at being witty....

 

[DR. JEK]

Jay fell off harder if you ask me. I may have considered Eminem because he did fall off alot but homie put on a syllable clinic on that Rap God song. And Slims wordplay has always been wittier and had a better kick to it than Jay to me. We have to go all the way back to Reasonable dought to find alotta Jays stronger double meaning bars

Rap God >>>>>than anything this guy who cant even out spit Yeezus (who has also fell off hard so that's saying something)has come out with in the last 10 years...

lmfaoooooo

Is Rap God your definition of good wordplay and lyricism? No wonder you think Jay can't 'outspit' Kanye.

What the fuck is witty about 'and if I can't batter the women, how the fuck am I supposed to bake them a cake' ? The entire song is marred by half baked attempts at being witty....

Im talking about wordplay hes used over the years not just rapGod. Dont quote lines that I wasnt speaking on, you qupted the weakest one out the bunch for your point pshhhh get your jigga stan ass outta here. Have you even heard Jays last 3 albums? Atleast Em showed something that resembled some spits. For every punchline that Em do that miss Jay got like 3 or 4 dumb ones

 

[Built 4 cuban linx]

Some idiots in here in denial

 

[willhustle]

From listening to MMLP2 I can tell that Em still has plenty left in the tank but, is he as sharp as his MMLP1/TES days? Imo... no but I think what separates EM & Jay is that Slim still has plenty in the tank, Jay just don't seem as hungry as he once was. I bought MCHG (first Jay album I bought since KC) and Jay put out a really good album but the thing that carries his albums is the production & certain guest features here & there but seems to barely keep up on tracks (check WTT album). Em seems to have plenty of punch on the lyrical end but when it comes to crafting songs together some of the production makes me wonder b/c it's a few tracks like that on MMLP2 like the one with Kendrick Lamar (surprised they pulled that off though).

 

[CoolJoe]

Jay was better on WTT than Kanye though.

 

[FyHunnit]

I voted Jay, but I think he's liable to snap out at any moment. He just don't do it as consistently as Em.

If either had to spit something on the spot, i'm sure Em would be more willing to do so than Jay.

 

[CoolJoe]

Jay fell off harder if you ask me. I may have considered Eminem because he did fall off alot but homie put on a syllable clinic on that Rap God song. And Slims wordplay has always been wittier and had a better kick to it than Jay to me. We have to go all the way back to Reasonable dought to find alotta Jays stronger double meaning bars

Rap God >>>>>than anything this guy who cant even out spit Yeezus (who has also fell off hard so that's saying something)has come out with in the last 10 years...

lmfaoooooo

Is Rap God your definition of good wordplay and lyricism? No wonder you think Jay can't 'outspit' Kanye.

What the fuck is witty about 'and if I can't batter the women, how the fuck am I supposed to bake them a cake' ? The entire song is marred by half baked attempts at being witty....

Im talking about wordplay hes used over the years not just rapGod. Dont quote lines that I wasnt speaking on, you qupted the weakest one out the bunch for your point pshhhh get your jigga stan ass outta here. Have you even heard Jays last 3 albums? Atleast Em showed something that resembled some spits. For every punchline that Em do that miss Jay got like 3 or 4 dumb ones

Em misses WAY more than Jay on punchlines, I don't even see how that's a debate.

 

[Soprano27]

Jay fell off harder if you ask me. I may have considered Eminem because he did fall off alot but homie put on a syllable clinic on that Rap God song. And Slims wordplay has always been wittier and had a better kick to it than Jay to me. We have to go all the way back to Reasonable dought to find alotta Jays stronger double meaning bars

Rap God >>>>>than anything this guy who cant even out spit Yeezus (who has also fell off hard so that's saying something)has come out with in the last 10 years...

lmfaoooooo

Is Rap God your definition of good wordplay and lyricism? No wonder you think Jay can't 'outspit' Kanye.

What the fuck is witty about 'and if I can't batter the women, how the fuck am I supposed to bake them a cake' ? The entire song is marred by half baked attempts at being witty....

Im talking about wordplay hes used over the years not just rapGod. Dont quote lines that I wasnt speaking on, you qupted the weakest one out the bunch for your point pshhhh get your jigga stan ass outta here. Have you even heard Jays last 3 albums? Atleast Em showed something that resembled some spits. For every punchline that Em do that miss Jay got like 3 or 4 dumb ones

MCHG is a good album. Blueprint 3 is solid. And American Gangster is a classic. What's your point? Recovery was AWFUL and FULL of middle school puns. Do you really need me to start quoting them? Em's weak wordplay/punchlines are NOT isolated, they're a salient part of his music (moreso on Recovery and the post Recovery features).

You're defending the guy who said 'stop with the scissors and cut the crap'...and 'fuck the world, feed it beans, it's gassed up'...'treat this roof like my daughter and raise it'...and this is off ONE fucking song. It wouldn't be so bad if the good lines outweighed the bad ones (let's face it, all rappers have some bad lines), but that's clearly not the case with Eminem.

 

[Lab Baby]

Jay fell off harder if you ask me. I may have considered Eminem because he did fall off alot but homie put on a syllable clinic on that Rap God song. And Slims wordplay has always been wittier and had a better kick to it than Jay to me. We have to go all the way back to Reasonable dought to find alotta Jays stronger double meaning bars

Rap God >>>>>than anything this guy who cant even out spit Yeezus (who has also fell off hard so that's saying something)has come out with in the last 10 years...

lmfaoooooo

Is Rap God your definition of good wordplay and lyricism? No wonder you think Jay can't 'outspit' Kanye.

What the fuck is witty about 'and if I can't batter the women, how the fuck am I supposed to bake them a cake' ? The entire song is marred by half baked attempts at being witty....

Im talking about wordplay hes used over the years not just rapGod. Dont quote lines that I wasnt speaking on, you qupted the weakest one out the bunch for your point pshhhh get your jigga stan ass outta here. Have you even heard Jays last 3 albums? Atleast Em showed something that resembled some spits. For every punchline that Em do that miss Jay got like 3 or 4 dumb ones

MCHG is a good album. Blueprint 3 is solid. And American Gangster is a classic. What's your point? Recovery was AWFUL and FULL of middle school puns. Do you really need me to start quoting them? Em's weak wordplay/punchlines are NOT isolated, they're a salient part of his music (moreso on Recovery and the post Recovery features).

You're defending the guy who said 'stop with the scissors and cut the crap'...and 'fuck the world, feed it beans, it's gassed up'...'treat this roof like my daughter and raise it'...and this is off ONE fucking song. It wouldn't be so bad if the good lines outweighed the bad ones (let's face it, all rappers have some bad lines), but that's clearly not the case with Eminem.

The Recovery punchlines have always been my problem with Em (fuck him for making Not Afraid). But mind you this is something new he's experimenting with, so of course it's not gonna have the best results. But I'll say two things... one, at least he's willing to try new tricks, especially at his age and his status in the game. Two, I can at least say Em's strong suits are still there... flow, storytelling, multis. Like, So Far to me lyrically is just as good a song as Say Goodbye To Hollywood and The Way I Am, and they're all essentially the same song set 13 years apart.

I can't say the same for Jay. He's not wack by any means, but his strongest qualities have dropped significantly. His flow fell way off. The same man that made Jigga What, Big Pimpin and Is That Your Chick can't even keep his breath on a song like HAM. His wordplay fell off. When was the last time he said something as witty as "feed her money til the shit started to make sense/cents"? If that's Jay's bread and butter, and he doesn't use/have them anymore, what good is he? Plus the few new tricks he uses are just as bad as Em's punchlines. That breathy flow, the name dropping, and the "auh" shit... scust. The question is, who fell off more at rapping... and I'd rather add some new shit to my repertoire that may or may not work while retaining my original skill, than not use my shit at all.

 

[mdot]

I see people highlighting some one liners that they aren't feeling but as a whole Em is dropping ill ass verses in general.

 

[mdot]

I voted Jay, but I think he's liable to snap out at any moment. He just don't do it as consistently as Em.

If either had to spit something on the spot, i'm sure Em would be more willing to do so than Jay.

That's why Em is nice to me he's a rappers rapper a true emcee still after all the success. It's like Jordan or Kobe will still bust your ass one on one if you step to them.

 

[DR. JEK]

Jay fell off harder if you ask me. I may have considered Eminem because he did fall off alot but homie put on a syllable clinic on that Rap God song. And Slims wordplay has always been wittier and had a better kick to it than Jay to me. We have to go all the way back to Reasonable dought to find alotta Jays stronger double meaning bars

Rap God >>>>>than anything this guy who cant even out spit Yeezus (who has also fell off hard so that's saying something)has come out with in the last 10 years...

lmfaoooooo

Is Rap God your definition of good wordplay and lyricism? No wonder you think Jay can't 'outspit' Kanye.

What the fuck is witty about 'and if I can't batter the women, how the fuck am I supposed to bake them a cake' ? The entire song is marred by half baked attempts at being witty....

Im talking about wordplay hes used over the years not just rapGod. Dont quote lines that I wasnt speaking on, you qupted the weakest one out the bunch for your point pshhhh get your jigga stan ass outta here. Have you even heard Jays last 3 albums? Atleast Em showed something that resembled some spits. For every punchline that Em do that miss Jay got like 3 or 4 dumb ones

Em misses WAY more than Jay on punchlines, I don't even see how that's a debate.

When has Jay ever really been heavy on the punchlines?See this is what i mean about the reason. Niggas is fans to a fault. Eminem has much more been the wordplay,battle rap type than Jay ever thought about being.Fab got more punches than Jay.....that aint to say jay do or dont have the better music but just because he yall boy dont act like the nigga own every rap lane. I dont see how its debatable either but the other way around.

Smh

Stans, i telll you.