Who is your favorite Republican, & would you vote them in for President? *word to Anthony Mackie

[nujerz84]

The Rock Cousin is a former Navy Seal that how he knew Osama was dead.

 

[A Talented One]

I'm getting the sense that ppl don't know that the Republican Party was the party that supported blacks leading up to, during and after the civil war. There was a faction in it -- called "Radical Republicans" -- that tried to do a lot for blacks. Lincoln was not a member; he was a more moderate Republican.

 

[Will Munny]

Who would have ever thought these folks with tons of money would be republicans.

 

[yellowtapesport]

Reagan

 

[Crude_]

Abraham Lincoln was republican and freed the slaves

This is a big misconception in American History; Lincoln DID NOT free the slaves because he thought slavery was so inhumane he did it to punish the south after the Civil War because he knew agriculture was huge part of the economy in the south and the slaves played a big part in that.

The Civil War was also not about freeing slaves it was about the South trying to secede from the Union.

That's what the Civil War was about I noticed a lot of these history books try to make the Civil War about the freeing of the slaves and that is not what it was about.

 

[Crude_]

I'm getting the sense that ppl don't know that the Republican Party was the party that supported blacks leading up to, during and after the civil war. There was a faction in it -- called "Radical Republicans" -- that tried to do a lot for blacks. Lincoln was not a member; he was a more moderate Republican.

Lincoln didn't care so much about Blacks as much as he was trying to punish the South.

The Republican Party started to shift after the voting rights act of 1965. Most of the old Dixie Democrats better known as Dixiecrats moved over to the Republican Party.

Prior to then guys like George Wallace and Strom Thurmond were Democrats.

 

[A.J. Trillzynski]

Abraham Lincoln was republican and freed the slaves

This is a big misconception in American History; Lincoln DID NOT free the slaves because he thought slavery was so inhumane he did it to punish the south after the Civil War because he knew agriculture was huge part of the economy in the south and the slaves played a big part in that.

The Civil War was also not about freeing slaves it was about the South trying to secede from the Union.

That's what the Civil War was about I noticed a lot of these history books try to make the Civil War about the freeing of the slaves and that is not what it was about.

why do you parrot ignorant bullshit? Lincoln was an outspoken opponent of slavery well before he was President. He was a US Representative and then left politics to be a lawyer and then the reason he returned to politics was to to oppose the pro-slavery Kansas–Nebraska Act of 1854 which repealed the slavery-restricting Missouri Compromise. Look up the 'Peoria Speech' of 1854 in which he declared his opposition to slavery which he repeated en route to the election to presidency. speaking of the Kansas-Nebraska act in that speech: it had a "declared indifference, but as I must think, a covert real zeal for the spread of slavery. I cannot but hate it. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world ..."

This is just one of many examples of his early opposition to slavery which was consistent throughout his entire career. Let alone his later more famous acts obviously including the Emancipation Proclamation which he enacted as a military objective knowing that the Federal government's power to end slavery was limited by the Constitution.. this was a genius stroke in itself which ordered the Army to systematically free slaves.. much more than simply passing a law and relying on states to enforce it, knowing damn well the racist nature of the South it would have not been effective.

I think you should at least read a wikipedia review on the subject and get your mind right:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_slavery

 

[Idiopathic Joker]

Abraham Lincoln was republican and freed the slaves

This is a big misconception in American History; Lincoln DID NOT free the slaves because he thought slavery was so inhumane he did it to punish the south after the Civil War because he knew agriculture was huge part of the economy in the south and the slaves played a big part in that.

The Civil War was also not about freeing slaves it was about the South trying to secede from the Union.

That's what the Civil War was about I noticed a lot of these history books try to make the Civil War about the freeing of the slaves and that is not what it was about.

why do you parrot ignorant bullshit? Lincoln was an outspoken opponent of slavery well before he was President. He was a US Representative and then left politics to be a lawyer and then the reason he returned to politics was to to oppose the pro-slavery Kansas–Nebraska Act of 1854 which repealed the slavery-restricting Missouri Compromise. Look up the 'Peoria Speech' of 1854 in which he declared his opposition to slavery which he repeated en route to the election to presidency. speaking of the Kansas-Nebraska act in that speech: it had a "declared indifference, but as I must think, a covert real zeal for the spread of slavery. I cannot but hate it. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world ..."

This is just one of many examples of his early opposition to slavery which was consistent throughout his entire career. Let alone his later more famous acts obviously including the Emancipation Proclamation which he enacted as a military objective knowing that the Federal government's power to end slavery was limited by the Constitution.. this was a genius stroke in itself which ordered the Army to systematically free slaves.. much more than simply passing a law and relying on states to enforce it, knowing damn well the racist nature of the South it would have not been effective.

I think you should at least read a wikipedia review on the subject and get your mind right:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_slavery

Wikipedia is the last source you should trust. Lincoln was no abolitionist.

 

[zzombie]

The civil war was a states right issue and the right the south wanted was the right to own slaves

 

[TheGOAT]

The largest mass execution in US history was when Lincoln ordered the hanging of 38 American Indians

 

[NoCompetition]

Abraham Lincoln was republican and freed the slaves

True. I dont expect Lincoln to be perfect but he is the one who fought the civil war and abolished slavery. And gave his life to do it. I dont care about interpretations of "but he really didnt like black people" who cares about gossipin about that look at what he actually did thats what matters. Also its pretty much universally known the Republicans switched after civil rights legislation was passed by Democrat Presidents. "the Southern strategy" and why the once Democrat racist South became the Republican racist South. The Republicans became the party of the racists who were mad at the Democrats for passing civil rights.

 

[Crude_]

Abraham Lincoln was republican and freed the slaves

This is a big misconception in American History; Lincoln DID NOT free the slaves because he thought slavery was so inhumane he did it to punish the south after the Civil War because he knew agriculture was huge part of the economy in the south and the slaves played a big part in that.

The Civil War was also not about freeing slaves it was about the South trying to secede from the Union.

That's what the Civil War was about I noticed a lot of these history books try to make the Civil War about the freeing of the slaves and that is not what it was about.

why do you parrot ignorant bullshit? Lincoln was an outspoken opponent of slavery well before he was President. He was a US Representative and then left politics to be a lawyer and then the reason he returned to politics was to to oppose the pro-slavery Kansas–Nebraska Act of 1854 which repealed the slavery-restricting Missouri Compromise. Look up the 'Peoria Speech' of 1854 in which he declared his opposition to slavery which he repeated en route to the election to presidency. speaking of the Kansas-Nebraska act in that speech: it had a "declared indifference, but as I must think, a covert real zeal for the spread of slavery. I cannot but hate it. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world ..."

This is just one of many examples of his early opposition to slavery which was consistent throughout his entire career. Let alone his later more famous acts obviously including the Emancipation Proclamation which he enacted as a military objective knowing that the Federal government's power to end slavery was limited by the Constitution.. this was a genius stroke in itself which ordered the Army to systematically free slaves.. much more than simply passing a law and relying on states to enforce it, knowing damn well the racist nature of the South it would have not been effective.

I think you should at least read a wikipedia review on the subject and get your mind right:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_slavery

Lincoln did not view Blacks as equal to Whites man get out of here with trying school me on history, but since you want to go there....

Lincoln said in a 1858 in a debate that he had no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in states where it existed.

He went on further to say he had no lawful right to do do so, and he believed Whites were superior to Blacks.

Early in Lincoln's presidency he opposed expansion of slavery but not slavery itself, so basically although he had conflicting view on slavery and thought it might be morally unjust he still didn't see Blacks to be on the same level as Whites now miss me with that bs man.

 

[Idiopathic Joker]

The civil war was a states right issue and the right the south wanted was the right to own slaves

The Civil War is the central event in America's historical consciousness. While the Revolution of 1776-1783 created the United States, the Civil War of 1861-1865 determined what kind of nation it would be. The war resolved two fundamental questions left unresolved by the revolution: whether the United States was to be a dissolvable confederation of sovereign states or an indivisible nation with a sovereign national government; and whether this nation, born of a declaration that all men were created with an equal right to liberty, would continue to exist as the largest slaveholding country in the world.

Northern victory in the war preserved the United States as one nation and ended the institution of slavery that had divided the country from its beginning. But these achievements came at the cost of 625,000 lives--nearly as many American soldiers as died in all the other wars in which this country has fought combined. The American Civil War was the largest and most destructive conflict in the Western world between the end of the Napoleonic Wars in 1815 and the onset of World War I in 1914.

The Civil War started because of uncompromising differences between the free and slave states over the power of the national government to prohibit slavery in the territories that had not yet become states. When Abraham Lincoln won election in 1860 as the first Republican president on a platform pledging to keep slavery out of the territories, seven slave states in the deep South seceded and formed a new nation, the Confederate States of America. The incoming Lincoln administration and most of the Northern people refused to recognize the legitimacy of secession. They feared that it would discredit democracy and create a fatal precedent that would eventually fragment the no-longer United States into several small, squabbling countries

http://www.civilwar.org/education/history/civil-war-overview/overview.html

 

[jono]

Yall niggas still arguing Lincoln and arguing from the wrong angle.

 

[kzzl]

Abraham Lincoln was republican and freed the slaves

This is a big misconception in American History; Lincoln DID NOT free the slaves because he thought slavery was so inhumane he did it to punish the south after the Civil War because he knew agriculture was huge part of the economy in the south and the slaves played a big part in that.

The Civil War was also not about freeing slaves it was about the South trying to secede from the Union.

That's what the Civil War was about I noticed a lot of these history books try to make the Civil War about the freeing of the slaves and that is not what it was about.

why do you parrot ignorant bullshit? Lincoln was an outspoken opponent of slavery well before he was President. He was a US Representative and then left politics to be a lawyer and then the reason he returned to politics was to to oppose the pro-slavery Kansas–Nebraska Act of 1854 which repealed the slavery-restricting Missouri Compromise. Look up the 'Peoria Speech' of 1854 in which he declared his opposition to slavery which he repeated en route to the election to presidency. speaking of the Kansas-Nebraska act in that speech: it had a "declared indifference, but as I must think, a covert real zeal for the spread of slavery. I cannot but hate it. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world ..."

This is just one of many examples of his early opposition to slavery which was consistent throughout his entire career. Let alone his later more famous acts obviously including the Emancipation Proclamation which he enacted as a military objective knowing that the Federal government's power to end slavery was limited by the Constitution.. this was a genius stroke in itself which ordered the Army to systematically free slaves.. much more than simply passing a law and relying on states to enforce it, knowing damn well the racist nature of the South it would have not been effective.

I think you should at least read a wikipedia review on the subject and get your mind right:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_slavery

Lincoln did not view Blacks as equal to Whites man get out of here with trying school me on history, but since you want to go there....

Lincoln said in a 1858 in a debate that he had no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in states where it existed.

He went on further to say he had no lawful right to do do so, and he believed Whites were superior to Blacks.

Early in Lincoln's presidency he opposed expansion of slavery but not slavery itself, so basically although he had conflicting view on slavery and thought it might be morally unjust he still didn't see Blacks to be on the same level as Whites now miss me with that bs man.

"Never on earth did the Republican Party propose to abolish slavery... It's object with respect to slavery is simply, nakedly, avowedly, it's restriction to the existing states" - Horace Greeley, Republican Spokesperson 1854

 

[A.J. Trillzynski]

Abraham Lincoln was republican and freed the slaves

This is a big misconception in American History; Lincoln DID NOT free the slaves because he thought slavery was so inhumane he did it to punish the south after the Civil War because he knew agriculture was huge part of the economy in the south and the slaves played a big part in that.

The Civil War was also not about freeing slaves it was about the South trying to secede from the Union.

That's what the Civil War was about I noticed a lot of these history books try to make the Civil War about the freeing of the slaves and that is not what it was about.

why do you parrot ignorant bullshit? Lincoln was an outspoken opponent of slavery well before he was President. He was a US Representative and then left politics to be a lawyer and then the reason he returned to politics was to to oppose the pro-slavery Kansas–Nebraska Act of 1854 which repealed the slavery-restricting Missouri Compromise. Look up the 'Peoria Speech' of 1854 in which he declared his opposition to slavery which he repeated en route to the election to presidency. speaking of the Kansas-Nebraska act in that speech: it had a "declared indifference, but as I must think, a covert real zeal for the spread of slavery. I cannot but hate it. I hate it because of the monstrous injustice of slavery itself. I hate it because it deprives our republican example of its just influence in the world ..."

This is just one of many examples of his early opposition to slavery which was consistent throughout his entire career. Let alone his later more famous acts obviously including the Emancipation Proclamation which he enacted as a military objective knowing that the Federal government's power to end slavery was limited by the Constitution.. this was a genius stroke in itself which ordered the Army to systematically free slaves.. much more than simply passing a law and relying on states to enforce it, knowing damn well the racist nature of the South it would have not been effective.

I think you should at least read a wikipedia review on the subject and get your mind right:https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham_Lincoln_and_slavery

Lincoln did not view Blacks as equal to Whites man get out of here with trying school me on history, but since you want to go there....

Lincoln said in a 1858 in a debate that he had no purpose directly or indirectly to interfere with the institution of slavery in states where it existed.

He went on further to say he had no lawful right to do do so, and he believed Whites were superior to Blacks.

Early in Lincoln's presidency he opposed expansion of slavery but not slavery itself, so basically although he had conflicting view on slavery and thought it might be morally unjust he still didn't see Blacks to be on the same level as Whites now miss me with that bs man.

you have some source or you just think this shit up and so it must be true because you say so

 

[kzzl]

Better yet, in his own words prior to the war.

"If I could save the Union without freeing any slaves I would do it. If I could save it by freeing all slaves I would do it. If I can save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would do that too. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it saves the Union." Abraham Lincoln penned letter to Fredrick Douglas Horace Greeley.

Point being, he's not the "hero" white history paints him as. He was a president trying to win a war against his countrymen. Even after the EP was signed, states that were loyal to the Union during the war were allowed to keep their slaves. The main thing the EP achieved was allowing slaves to be received into the military. It was a separate act later that year, Proclamation of Amnesty and Reconstruction, that explicitly stated that confederate states accept the end slavery in exchange for pardons and restoration of rights.

 

[A.J. Trillzynski]

Just because Lincoln’s number one priority was saving the union does not mean that he didn’t care about the plight of slaves at all. Of course we should teach a more balanced portrayal but I think you want to just go overboard in the opposite direction. Its also impossible for us to see things through the eyes of people of that time.

 

[TheGOAT]

So yall voting for President David Blaine or not?

 

[A.J. Trillzynski]

Better yet, in his own words prior to the war.

"If I could save the Union without freeing any slaves I would do it. If I could save it by freeing all slaves I would do it. If I can save it by freeing some and leaving others alone, I would do that too. What I do about slavery, and the colored race, I do because I believe it saves the Union." Abraham Lincoln penned letter to Fredrick Douglas.

Point being, he's not the "hero" white history paints him as. He was a president trying to win a war against his countrymen. Even after the EP was signed, states that were loyal to the Union during the war were allowed to keep their slaves. The main thing the EP achieved was allowing slaves to be received into the military. It was a separate act later that year, Proclamation of Amnesty and Reconstruction, that explicitly stated that confederate states accept the end slavery in exchange for pardons and restoration of rights.

actually the letter you are talking about was penned to Horace Greeley editor of the New York Tribune. This is commonly misconstrued and cited by those with an agenda to paint Lincoln as not actually caring about slavery but when properly analyzed in full it actually supports the fact that Lincoln's personal feelings against slavery remained the same. Here is a great analysis:
http://opinionator.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/23/lincolns-letter-to-the-editor/?_r=0

More importantly, neither Greeley nor anyone else outside the president’s cabinet and inner circle knew that more than a month before he wrote this letter, Lincoln had drafted the Emancipation Proclamation. He was simply waiting for the right moment – a major United States victory in the East – to announce his plan to end slavery in the Confederacy. Thus, his claim that he would save the Union without freeing any slaves was shrewdly political. Lincoln was in fact planning to free more than three million slaves in the 11 states that had seceded from the Union.

Lincoln was on the mark, however, by noting that he might have to free some of the slaves, and leave the others in bondage. The Constitution left him no choice. Under the Constitution of 1787 neither Congress nor the president had any power to liberate slaves in the loyal border states. But Lincoln could use his power as commander in chief to strike at slavery in those Southern states that claimed to be out of the Union and were making war on the United States.

Finally, Lincoln made clear to friends and critics alike that he was no friend of slavery by reaffirming his “oft-expressed personal wish that all men every where could be free.” The message was unmistakable. Lincoln was personally opposed to slavery and he always had been. He was dismantling it as best he could, given the constraints of the Constitution and the necessity of winning the war. In the next month he would elaborate on this position by issuing the preliminary emancipation proclamation. But, in his letter to Greeley he careful did not reveal that he in fact intended to turn the war for the Union into a war against slavery.