Where is your allegiance? With God or with the world?

[bambu]

Hark, now, let every creature hear,

"Time never was when man was not."

"The thoughts of Allah cannot be circumscribed. No finite mind can comprehend things infinite. All finite things are subject unto change. All finite things will cease to be because there was a time when they were not."

The bodies and the souls of men are finite things, and they will change, yea, from the finite point of view the time will come when they will be no more. "But man himself is not the body, nor the soul; he is a spirit and a part of Allah."

HOMAGE: NOBLE DREW ALI

 

[Bodhi]

Tao

Please explain

Favour and disgrace are equally problematic. Hope and fear are phantoms of the body.

What does it mean the “favour and disgrace are equally problematic”? Favour lifts you up; disgrace knocks you down. Either one depends on the opinions of others and causes you to depart from your center.

What does it mean that “hope and fear are phantoms of the body”? When you regard your body as your self, hope and fear have real power over you. If you abandon the notion of body as self, hope and fear cannot touch you.

Know the universe as your self, and you can live absolutely anywhere in comfort. Love the world as your self, and you’ll be able to care for it properly.
http://www.taoteching.cn/index.php/tao-te-ching-translated-by-brian-browne-walker-1996/

 

[bambu]

It doesn't matter if you believe in it or not my friend. Nothing will be able to stop you from appearing at the arraignment. Death can not hide you, the dirt will not cover you, there will be no calling in sick, nor will there be anybody to stand in your place. You will make the appointment Oceanic regardless if you believe in it or not. That's the reality of the situation.

Now, since this day is unavoidable how do you plan to enter into the cosmic courtroom? Covered by the blood of Jesus Christ? Or covered by your sins and transgressions? The ball is in your court my friend. As long as the breath of life is in you, you have the will to decide how you want to appear before the King of the universe. Do you know Him today?

I cannot answer your question because I do not believe in any Christian doctrine. My reality is different from yours. It's like asking someone with a pet dog how to specifically take care of a parrot.

@oceanic.......

Stop lying, nigga......

The man asked you an honest question and you all smug & shit talking bout some fucking parrots..........

Acting like the Buddha didn't walk on water before the Christ...............

I let you slide on all that "Buddhism does not deal with supernatural" shit for too long...........

Why don't you tell the people how,

in his "Sermon of the Seven Suns" in the Pali Canon, the Buddha describes the ultimate fate of the world in an apocalypse that will be characterized by the consequent appearance of seven suns in the sky, each causing progressive ruin till the Earth is destroyed:

All things are impermanent, all aspects of existence are unstable and non-eternal. Beings will become so weary and disgusted with the constituent things that they will seek emancipation from them more quickly. There will come a season, O monks when, after hundreds of thousands of years, rains will cease. All seedlings, all vegetation, all plants, grasses and trees will dry up and cease to be...There comes another season after a great lapse of time when a second sun will appear. Now all brooks and ponds will dry up, vanish, cease to be.

—Aňguttara-Nikăya, VII, 6.2 Pali Canon[1]

The canon goes on to describe the progressive destruction of each sun. A third sun will dry the mighty Ganges and other great rivers. A fourth will cause the great lakes to evaporate, and a fifth will dry the oceans. Finally the final suns will appear:

Again after a vast period of time a sixth sun will appear, and it will bake the Earth even as a pot is baked by a potter. All the mountains will reek and send up clouds of smoke. After another great interval a seventh sun will appear and the Earth will blaze with fire until it becomes one mass of flame. The mountains will be consumed, a spark will be carried on the wind and go to the worlds of God....Thus, monks, all things will burn, perish and exist no more except those who have seen the path.

The sermon completes with the planet engulfed by a vast inferno.[1]

Or better yet.........

Buddha described his teachings disappearing five thousand years from when he preached them, corresponding approximately to the year 2300. At this time, knowledge of dharma will be lost as well. The last of his relics will be gathered in Bodh Gaya and cremated. There will be a new era in which the next Buddha Maitreya will appear, but it will be preceded by the degeneration of human society. This will be a period of greed, lust, poverty, ill will, violence, murder, impiety, physical weakness, sexual depravity and societal collapse, and even the Buddha himself will be forgotten.[1]

Or even better than that, what about the the budda taking seven steps north and stating.....

"I am chief of the world,

Eldest am I in the world,

Foremost am I in the world.

This is the last birth.

There is now no more coming to be."

Immediately after his "virgin" birth..............

@DoUwant2go2Heaven?.....

I think this sermon was better than the first.......

You are improving, continue your calling..........

 

[BiblicalAtheist]

What I've learned from a lot of my reading, the understanding I've collected throughout the years, the wisdom gained from experience is that sometimes there are no better words than words that have already been written. DoU is no different than a buddha who slowly detaches from things to gain something the world can't put a value on. He understands it the way he needs to, buddha's their way, spiritual atheist's their's.....

The issue with preaching religion is its kept society from progressing whether it be social or an issue of science and technology. It doesn't help society to believe in something sooo stupid.

Nah, imo society is progressing just as it should, foundations gotta be laid.

 

[BlackxChild]

What I've learned from a lot of my reading, the understanding I've collected throughout the years, the wisdom gained from experience is that sometimes there are no better words than words that have already been written. DoU is no different than a buddha who slowly detaches from things to gain something the world can't put a value on. He understands it the way he needs to, buddha's their way, spiritual atheist's their's.....

The issue with preaching religion is its kept society from progressing whether it be social or an issue of science and technology. It doesn't help society to believe in something sooo stupid.

Nah, imo society is progressing just as it should, foundations gotta be laid.

It's progressing as in where getting further and further away from religion... If religious zealots knew what we are doing with organ donors they would go crazy... We are giving people new arms and people are getting their eye sight back. You know some nutty Christian would try to stop this.

 

[BlackxChild]

Hark, now, let every creature hear,

"Time never was when man was not."

"The thoughts of Allah cannot be circumscribed. No finite mind can comprehend things infinite. All finite things are subject unto change. All finite things will cease to be because there was a time when they were not."

The bodies and the souls of men are finite things, and they will change, yea, from the finite point of view the time will come when they will be no more. "But man himself is not the body, nor the soul; he is a spirit and a part of Allah."

HOMAGE: NOBLE DREW ALI

Why don't you break down what you're reading so you can realize how fucking stupid it is. You're just trying to sound deep without realizing its retarded and means nothing.

 

[bambu]

Hark, now, let every creature hear,

"Time never was when man was not."

"The thoughts of Allah cannot be circumscribed. No finite mind can comprehend things infinite. All finite things are subject unto change. All finite things will cease to be because there was a time when they were not."

The bodies and the souls of men are finite things, and they will change, yea, from the finite point of view the time will come when they will be no more. "But man himself is not the body, nor the soul; he is a spirit and a part of Allah."

HOMAGE: NOBLE DREW ALI

Why don't you break down what you're reading so you can realize how fucking stupid it is. You're just trying to sound deep without realizing its retarded and means nothing.

@BlackxChild.....

Why don't you just admit that you are stupid as fuck & get the fuck up out of here.............

 

[Bodhi]

Hark, now, let every creature hear,

"Time never was when man was not."

"The thoughts of Allah cannot be circumscribed. No finite mind can comprehend things infinite. All finite things are subject unto change. All finite things will cease to be because there was a time when they were not."

The bodies and the souls of men are finite things, and they will change, yea, from the finite point of view the time will come when they will be no more. "But man himself is not the body, nor the soul; he is a spirit and a part of Allah."

HOMAGE: NOBLE DREW ALI

Why don't you break down what you're reading so you can realize how fucking stupid it is. You're just trying to sound deep without realizing its retarded and means nothing.

He cannot fully explain in detail his god nor its relation to its supposed creation. All info he has is pulled directly from his books with no thoughts of his own. His sole "purpose" is to attempt to disprove evolution which he has, of course, not yet done.

 

[bambu]

Don't blame me for your ignorance........

 

[The True Flesh]

.......the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the weakness of God is stronger than men. 1 Corinthians 1:25

Peace to @DoUwant2go2Heaven?

Whether we agree with your overall approach or method is irrelevant. Anyone who recieves this message will no doubt in my mind be blessed.

I dont care for the word sermon too much, but whenever I speak to the crowd about the Bible and eternity this meesage is paramount! Compared to what The Father of All Creation is extending to us......This world really aint got nothing to offer.

@bambu

I thought this was very helpful Too:"The thoughts of Allah cannot be circumscribed. No finite mind can comprehend things infinite."

The IC will never change and the people who antagonize in these threads will never realise how moronic the things they post are.......but this message right here is on point.

PEACE

 

[BlackxChild]

Hark, now, let every creature hear,

"Time never was when man was not."

"The thoughts of Allah cannot be circumscribed. No finite mind can comprehend things infinite. All finite things are subject unto change. All finite things will cease to be because there was a time when they were not."

The bodies and the souls of men are finite things, and they will change, yea, from the finite point of view the time will come when they will be no more. "But man himself is not the body, nor the soul; he is a spirit and a part of Allah."

HOMAGE: NOBLE DREW ALI

"Time never was when man was not."

What does time have to do with a god if it wasn't a creation til man made it so?

"The thoughts of Allah cannot be circumscribed. No finite mind can comprehend things infinite. All finite things are subject unto change. All finite things will cease to be because there was a time when they were not."

So your excuse for the existence of Allah is that I can never understand him bc nothing Allah can do can be restricted.... Sounds like an excuse to me... All you do is sound like a little girl and can be translated to you just dont understand bc I said so there's no substance to what you said.

The bodies and the souls of men are finite things, and they will change, yea, from the finite point of view the time will come when they will be no more. "But man himself is not the body, nor the soul; he is a spirit and a part of Allah."

So since I'm a part of Allah does that mean I don't believe in myself....

What you're saying is absolute crap and dribble that is made to sound good with no substance you're basically a salesman/conartist

 

[bambu]

Hark, now, let every creature hear,

"Time never was when man was not."

"The thoughts of Allah cannot be circumscribed. No finite mind can comprehend things infinite. All finite things are subject unto change. All finite things will cease to be because there was a time when they were not."

The bodies and the souls of men are finite things, and they will change, yea, from the finite point of view the time will come when they will be no more. "But man himself is not the body, nor the soul; he is a spirit and a part of Allah."

HOMAGE: NOBLE DREW ALI

"Time never was when man was not."

What does time have to do with a god if it wasn't a creation til man made it so?

"The thoughts of Allah cannot be circumscribed. No finite mind can comprehend things infinite. All finite things are subject unto change. All finite things will cease to be because there was a time when they were not."

So your excuse for the existence of Allah is that I can never understand him bc nothing Allah can do can be restricted.... Sounds like an excuse to me... All you do is sound like a little girl and can be translated to you just dont understand bc I said so there's no substance to what you said.

The bodies and the souls of men are finite things, and they will change, yea, from the finite point of view the time will come when they will be no more. "But man himself is not the body, nor the soul; he is a spirit and a part of Allah."

So since I'm a part of Allah does that mean I don't believe in myself....

What you're saying is absolute crap and dribble that is made to sound good with no substance you're basically a salesman/conartist

I'm not selling you shit or conning anyone.........

You made it clear that you think that belief in Allah is stupid.........

I am not like my Christian brothers, you will find no salvation here, atheist..............

Instead of attempting to enlighten, the Gods have commanded me to do battle with any and all nonbelievers.......

And God hath given command to speed me; forbear thee from meddling with God, who is with me, that He destroy thee not.........

So what you should do is direct your infantile questions to the threadstarter.......

You will find more mercy from him and the Gods..........

All you will find my way is annihilation & destruction...............

*My fury surpasses the Gods*

 

[BlackxChild]

Hark, now, let every creature hear,

"Time never was when man was not."

"The thoughts of Allah cannot be circumscribed. No finite mind can comprehend things infinite. All finite things are subject unto change. All finite things will cease to be because there was a time when they were not."

The bodies and the souls of men are finite things, and they will change, yea, from the finite point of view the time will come when they will be no more. "But man himself is not the body, nor the soul; he is a spirit and a part of Allah."

HOMAGE: NOBLE DREW ALI

"Time never was when man was not."

What does time have to do with a god if it wasn't a creation til man made it so?

"The thoughts of Allah cannot be circumscribed. No finite mind can comprehend things infinite. All finite things are subject unto change. All finite things will cease to be because there was a time when they were not."

So your excuse for the existence of Allah is that I can never understand him bc nothing Allah can do can be restricted.... Sounds like an excuse to me... All you do is sound like a little girl and can be translated to you just dont understand bc I said so there's no substance to what you said.

The bodies and the souls of men are finite things, and they will change, yea, from the finite point of view the time will come when they will be no more. "But man himself is not the body, nor the soul; he is a spirit and a part of Allah."

So since I'm a part of Allah does that mean I don't believe in myself....

What you're saying is absolute crap and dribble that is made to sound good with no substance you're basically a salesman/conartist

I'm not selling you shit or conning anyone.........

You made it clear that you think that belief in Allah is stupid.........

I am not like my Christian brothers, you will find no salvation here, atheist..............

Instead of attempting to enlighten, the Gods have commanded me to do battle with any and all nonbelievers.......

And God hath given command to speed me; forbear thee from meddling with God, who is with me, that He destroy thee not.........

So what you should do is direct your infantile questions to the threadstarter.......

You will find more mercy from him and the Gods..........

All you will find my way is annihilation & destruction...............

*My fury surpasses the Gods*

There's something seriously wrong with you.... Go to battle for what? Your imaginary friend... How is that not wrong or petty? This is what's wrong with religion.... Why don't you actually analyze what you read and what others say I'm clearly pointing out how you're brainwashed and showing you the truth...

You should look at yourself now and ask yourself why... Really look in the mirror and ask why do you believe in Allah. Is anyone talking to you in your head or is it just you.

I want you to watch the Christian bible channel and listen to someone like Joel olsteen listen to his words listen to any pastor and dissect what they are actually saying and you'll discover its a bunch of dribble... They're randomly saying bullshit after bullshit after bullshit.

Why would anyone get mad at someone questioning what they say if they're not saying anything valid to back it up? It's cool though I'm not going to argue with a extremist. (To be honest I like you're threads they're all interesting reads especially anything about Egypt)

 

[bambu]

You aren't showing me any truth.....

And I don't believe in Allah's existence....

I know that Allah exists.....

I am reminded when I look in the mirror of Allah's divine power......

You want me to watch Christian television......

Why?????

So that I can listen to a watered down version of the laws of the creator......

Allow me to reintroduce myself....

I am a soldier in Allah's army.....

Who will not hesitate to slap the shit out of a nonbeliever.....

And since you want clarity on my words.....

I made a thread.......
http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/491561/the-creation-and-fall-of-man#latest

EDIT:

@BlackxChild.....

Thanks for reading my threads.............

I have had to be more firm here because the atheists show little respect for the belief systems of others......

I don't want to wreck Do you want to go to heaven's thread.......

If you do want clarity on my words here, we should take it to the other thread...............

Your respect level will be reciprocated...........
http://community.allhiphop.com/discussion/491561/the-creation-and-fall-of-man#latest

 

[WYRM]

You know you do have the option of not reading his posts, he has every right to preach, we have every right to ignore the message. I do not label my beliefs because I can't, I am not a fan of sermons but sometimes I like to see how well the "preacher" spits. I respect all ascendants.

Most "witnesser" need to take the sales pitch down a couple hundred notches first, you are running off your converts.

 

[Bodhi]

@oceanic.......

Stop lying, nigga......

The man asked you an honest question and you all smug & shit talking bout some fucking parrots..........

And likewise, my questions and statements directed to him are honest. I'm willing to change my stance provided any of you can demonstrate that your beliefs are true. Don't forget, I'm here to learn; not antagonize. The way to learn is to ask questions. If you don't know, just say so. There is no reason to get upset @bambu

 

[waterproof]

Hark, now, let every creature hear,

"Time never was when man was not."

"The thoughts of Allah cannot be circumscribed. No finite mind can comprehend things infinite. All finite things are subject unto change. All finite things will cease to be because there was a time when they were not."

The bodies and the souls of men are finite things, and they will change, yea, from the finite point of view the time will come when they will be no more. "But man himself is not the body, nor the soul; he is a spirit and a part of Allah."

HOMAGE: NOBLE DREW ALI

"Time never was when man was not."

What does time have to do with a god if it wasn't a creation til man made it so?

"The thoughts of Allah cannot be circumscribed. No finite mind can comprehend things infinite. All finite things are subject unto change. All finite things will cease to be because there was a time when they were not."

So your excuse for the existence of Allah is that I can never understand him bc nothing Allah can do can be restricted.... Sounds like an excuse to me... All you do is sound like a little girl and can be translated to you just dont understand bc I said so there's no substance to what you said.

The bodies and the souls of men are finite things, and they will change, yea, from the finite point of view the time will come when they will be no more. "But man himself is not the body, nor the soul; he is a spirit and a part of Allah."

So since I'm a part of Allah does that mean I don't believe in myself....

What you're saying is absolute crap and dribble that is made to sound good with no substance you're basically a salesman/conartist

I'm not selling you shit or conning anyone.........

You made it clear that you think that belief in Allah is stupid.........

I am not like my Christian brothers, you will find no salvation here, atheist..............

Instead of attempting to enlighten, the Gods have commanded me to do battle with any and all nonbelievers.......

And God hath given command to speed me; forbear thee from meddling with God, who is with me, that He destroy thee not.........

So what you should do is direct your infantile questions to the threadstarter.......

You will find more mercy from him and the Gods..........

All you will find my way is annihilation & destruction...............

*My fury surpasses the Gods*

There's something seriously wrong with you.... Go to battle for what? Your imaginary friend... How is that not wrong or petty? This is what's wrong with religion.... Why don't you actually analyze what you read and what others say I'm clearly pointing out how you're brainwashed and showing you the truth...

You should look at yourself now and ask yourself why... Really look in the mirror and ask why do you believe in Allah. Is anyone talking to you in your head or is it just you.

I want you to watch the Christian bible channel and listen to someone like Joel olsteen listen to his words listen to any pastor and dissect what they are actually saying and you'll discover its a bunch of dribble... They're randomly saying bullshit after bullshit after bullshit.

Why would anyone get mad at someone questioning what they say if they're not saying anything valid to back it up? It's cool though I'm not going to argue with a extremist. (To be honest I like you're threads they're all interesting reads especially anything about Egypt)

And you lost the battle before it even started, you dealing with elohims in the flesh, children of the most high, see you been brainwashed into thinking that you know what you speak or who you against, we don't give a fuck about a religion because we have no religion, we deal with the spirit and are spiritual people, warriors of the TMH..

so what you think you know, you really don't know because that veil was put on you not to see or understand.

Maccabee's that's what I am we deal with the spiritual world and battle things on the spiritual level

 

[bambu]

@oceanic.......

Stop lying, nigga......

The man asked you an honest question and you all smug & shit talking bout some fucking parrots..........

And likewise, my questions and statements directed to him are honest. I'm willing to change my stance provided any of you can demonstrate that your beliefs are true. Don't forget, I'm here to learn; not antagonize. The way to learn is to ask questions. If you don't know, just say so. There is no reason to get upset @bambu

There is nothing honest about denying the existence of Buddhist eschatology.......

Or comparing it to dogs & parrots.........

 

[Bodhi]

There is nothing honest about denying the fact that Drew Ali disregarded the words of true Islam in order to create his own per-version so that he would be the center of his own cult and so that he could make his own rules.

 

[bambu]

There is nothing honest about denying the fact that Drew Ali disregarded the words of true Islam in order to create his own per-version so that he would be the center of his own cult and so that he could make his own rules.

Noble Drew Ali divinely prepared ancient texts that were lost and in the possession of the moslims of his day...........

That the world may hear and know the truth, that among the descendants of Africa there is still much wisdom to be learned in these days for the redemption of the sons of men under Love, Truth, Peace, Freedom, and Justice.........

It had little to do with the Qu'ran........