Where dd this hip hop trend start?

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onepunch;1797208 said:
Father MC was a mainstream version of Big Daddy Kane

Fa sho.' He had a couple of hits on the R&B charts. Puff and Mary changed the game in 1992 with What's the 411 and the remix album in 1993 (the invention of remixes). After that, Hip Hop & R&B would forever be tied at the hip ON RADIO and amongst practitioners and fans of the style.
 
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musicology1985;1797217 said:
Fa sho.' He had a couple of hits on the R&B charts. Puff and Mary changed the game in 1992 with What's the 411 and the remix album in 1993 (the invention of remixes). After that, Hip Hop & R&B would forever be tied at the hip ON RADIO and amongst practitioners and fans of the style.

True Dat.....
 
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musicology1985;1797202 said:
Puff discovered and produced Father MC's work at Uptown in 1990. That Mase & Loon smooth rap was nothing new. That's one of the reasons why Puff and Fabolous get along so well.

Yeah, Puff was an intern back then if I'm not mistaken. That smooth rap was nothing new like you said and neither was rapping over old R & B and disco tracks.

Eventhough these n*ggas caught heat for their image they could spit. From Father MC to Ma$e. Nowadays alot of these rappers let an R&B n*gga carry them if you know what I mean.
 
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musicology1985;1797225 said:
oh yeah, Loso is the 2000's Big Daddy Kane IMO. smooth Brooklyn MC with mad lyrics.

I see why you'd say that cuz there's definately similarities between Fab and Kane but Kane was the best or atleast one of the best of his generation. Time caught up with him and he fell off but when he had his run he had n*ggas trying to rap like him and kids (like me back then) looking up to him. Eventhough he was makiing joints for the females he wasn't nobody to mess with. While Fab's aiight he ain't never been on that elite level. I'd say Fab's the 2000's Ma$e (if you wanna compare him).

I remember when came out as Fabolous Sport some thought Ma@e came back...
 
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aswadh;1797240 said:
I see why you'd say that cuz there's definately similarities between Fab and Kane but Kane was the best or atleast one of the best of his generation. Time caught up with him and he fell off but when he had his run he had n*ggas trying to rap like him and kids (like me back then) looking up to him. Eventhough he was makiing joints for the females he wasn't nobody to mess with. While Fab's aiight he ain't never been on that elite level. I'd say Fab's the 2000's Ma$e (if you wanna compare him).

I remember when came out as Fabolous Sport some thought Ma@e came back...

I can respect that & yes, Loso was sport in '98 on Clue's albums and mixtape joints. Ma$e and Fab never came with the Science like Kane did.

Another MC who benefited from the smooth rap style and is also the most popular for it is Queen's LL Cool J. Puff and the Hitmen have done plenty production for him through the years.
 
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musicology1985;1797260 said:
I can respect that & yes, Loso was sport in '98 on Clue's albums and mixtape joints. Ma$e and Fab never came with the Science like Kane did.

Another MC who benefited from the smooth rap style and is also the most popular for it is Queen's LL Cool J. Puff and the Hitmen have done plenty production for him through the years.

LL was far from smooth..that cat had a high strung delivery...very energetic....Rock The Bells, Radio, all his first hits ere high energy songs, nothing smooth
 
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musicology1985;1797260 said:
I can respect that & yes, Loso was sport in '98 on Clue's albums and mixtape joints. Ma$e and Fab never came with the Science like Kane did.

Another MC who benefited from the smooth rap style and is also the most popular for it is Queen's LL Cool J. Puff and the Hitmen have done plenty production for him through the years.

Yeah, no doubt.

LL was def an emcee that benefited from that smooth style but it's almost like he had a lane for himself. While in a certain way you could say rappers like Kane and Rakim had rappers that came after them (respectively Big and Jay Z and Nas), I can't think of a rapper who took the baton from LL. He's unique in that sense I guess.
 
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onepunch;1797265 said:
LL was far from smooth..that cat had a high strung delivery...very energetic....Rock The Bells, Radio, all his first hits ere high energy songs, nothing smooth

I think he's referring to tracks like I need luv and Hey Lover...
 
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onepunch;1797265 said:
LL was far from smooth..that cat had a high strung delivery...very energetic....Rock The Bells, Radio, all his first hits ere high energy songs, nothing smooth

I'm talking about "I need Love" LL along with Mr. Smith LL in 1995 with Boyz II Men and Total (which was Hip Hop Soul) as well as much material after that. LL could flip it both ways and contrary to popular opinion, Murda Mase and Loso can too.

To my previous point, Teddy came back with the Hip Hop Soul sound with Blackstreet in order to keep up with the evolving times as well.
 
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aswadh;1797282 said:
Yeah, no doubt.

LL was def an emcee that benefited from that smooth style but it's almost like he had a lane for himself. While in a certain way you could say rappers like Kane and Rakim had rappers that came after them (respectively Big and Jay Z and Nas), I can't think of a rapper who took the baton from LL. He's unique in that sense I guess.

Mos Def. And the most consistent WHEN IT COMES TO MAINTAINING A HIGH LEVEL OF SUCCESS IMO
 
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Starting: Rakim & Jody Wheatley (Ra caught a lot of Flak for that)

Popularized: Teddy Riley/Puff New Jack Swing Era...Blurred the line between how singers and rappers act

Cemented: Meth & Mary '95
 
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almighty breeze;1797371 said:
Starting: Rakim & Jody Wheatley (Ra caught a lot of Flak for that)
Popularized: Teddy Riley/Puff New Jack Swing Era...Blurred the line between how singers and rappers act
Cemented: Meth & Mary '95

I heard Puff and Rza produced that joint. Don't know how true it is but it is likely, since that's who both were led by in their respective camps. I gotta cop that official album.

So you put Rakim above Kurtis, that's cool.
 
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musicology1985;1797388 said:
I heard Puff and Rza produced that joint. Don't know how true it is but it is likely, since that's who both were led by in their respective camps. I gotta cop that official album.

So you put Rakim above Kurtis, that's cool.

was Kurtis featured or was it his song i cant remember. i remember it being Rakims song which is why i said that

as far as "You'Re All I Need" u can hear elements from both producers so im not shocked
 
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almighty breeze;1797427 said:
was Kurtis featured or was it his song i cant remember. i remember it being Rakims song which is why i said that

as far as "You'Re All I Need" u can hear elements from both producers so im not shocked

it was kurtis' song. blow was the original rap star.
 
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