'When Will Hip-Hop Hurry Up and Die?' article

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It's the vigour and invention of the first third of the Noughties that makes the last five years of rap look stalled and sapped, not old-skool days so remote only grey-hairs remember them. By any sensible metric, rap has slipped hugely from where it was when this decade began. It's not dominating the pop charts anymore, and neither is it irrigating the mainstream with new beats, styles, and slanguage. It's not producing major album-length statements, give or take an 808s & Heartbreak (revealingly, not rapped but sung). It's not even coming up with compelling new personalities. The last, by my reckoning, were Lil Wayne (whose debut was released in 1999) and Kanye West (who debuted in early 2004). West has turned out to be a mixed blessing, while Wayne spread his brilliance thin across innumerable mixtapes, plus 2008's uneven Tha Carter III. Some swear by TI and Young Jeezy as charismatic artists, but neither came up with a MC persona we've not seen before. And, for these last three or four years, rap has been a desperately unmemorable procession of cookie-cutter ballers – Jim Jones, Gucci Mane, Yung Doc, Soulja Boy, Lil Boosie, Gummi Bares – whose lyrics trudge a hedonic treadmill of bling and booty, punctuated by the occasional inane dance-craze. Even the sound of rap – always its saving grace in the absence of political engagement or MC-as-poet depth – deteriorated in the second half of this decade. The odd angles and eerie spaces in productions by Mannie Fresh or Mr Collipark were flattened out, replaced by portentous digi-synth fanfares and lumbering beats, a brittle bass-less blare that seemed pre-degraded to 128kbps to cut through better via YouTube and mobile phone ("ringtone rap", some called it), rendered all the more cheapo-sounding and plastic non-fantastic by the endless Auto-Tune fad.

One of the most interesting observations in Frere-Jones's piece is that rap producers are abandoning swing and syncopation for more pulse-based club rhythms (house/trance/electro-pop), resulting in a shift to a European rather than African-American feel. Flo Rida's Right Round, based on Dead or Alive's Eighties Hi-NRG hit, is a good example, and new nadir. Actually, I still hear quite a lot of bump and skitter in street rap but there's a pedestrian familiarity to the beats: they do the job solidly enough but they're the rhythmic equivalent of comfort food, reflexively tugging at your hips and shoulders but never approaching the stark strangeness of early Noughties productions like Ludacris's What's Your Fantasy or J-Kwon's Tipsy.

I quizzed Josiah Schirmacher, a young DJ friend who disagreed vehemently with the New Yorker piece and he replied that there was plenty of life in hip-hop but it was all "on the local level", pointing to styles like jerk, as favored by teenagers in Los Angeles. This was another story of the hip-hop Noughties: the succession of city-based sounds, starting with New Orleans bounce and continuing with crunk, hyphy, snap, juke, etc, which hatch as regional styles but thanks to the marvels of the internet (especially YouTube) are chased avidly by an international cadre of largely white, middle-class beat-nerds. I was one for a while, but then started to feel that underneath the cool local quirks (for instance, in the Bay Area, hyphy MCs shout out to freeway exits, which is how the different neighbourhoods know themselves, as opposed to, say, wards in New Orleans) all these sounds were, at base, the same. Electro variant + goofy dance + bawdy lyrics + (optional) drug-of-choice (E, with hyphy; purple drank aka cough syrup in other places, and so on). In a funny way, the pasty-faced, steroid-popping northwest England scene donk is a distant cousin of all these black American sounds: same anonymous rapping, same humorously boastful/sexist lyrics, same bling videos, same utterly local orientation offset by the occasional nationwide hit. The Blackout Crew, basically, are Cold Flamez.

Haven't talked about underground rap yet, but it doesn't exactly impose itself on your consciousness, does it? Like the lo-fi indie it resembles, this sector puttered on much like it did through the 90s, odd flashes of genius (Cannibal Ox, Dilla, Quasimoto/Madlib etc) amid the crate-digging antiquarianism. Barely creating a ripple in the larger pop culture, undie rap is probably pretty content with its niche, a haven of "quality" in a mercenary world. This stuff bears the same relationship to Dirty South type-rap that someone like Elvis Costello did with rock after 1984 (and, what d'ya know, Costello recently teamed up with the Roots to perform some of his classics on a US chat show). But as with the late-80s "golden age", the late 90s/early 00s surge showed that during rap's heyday phases the most innovative music rises to the top; it's not something you have to seek out, because it dominates radio and music-video channels, booms from passing cars.

The "Death of …" piece is a genre of criticism that's fallen into disrepute (there was a period when you'd be constantly tripping over essays announcing the End of something: art, theory, rock, rave ). People now seem to feel that "no genre ever really dies" (to adapt the Neptunes/NERD motto). Was this in fact one of the problems with the Noughties? No genre went gently into that good night: they all clung on, cluttering up the musical landscape. This not only made it harder for new things to emerge, it's meant that we've all come to forget that, in fact, totally new things have emerged in the past. There was, for instance, a time when hip-hop didn't exist. The refusal to admit that a genre can die (which doesn't mean literally disappear – it may even generate good stuff now and then –but refers to stagnation, irrelevance, becoming uncoupled from the zeitgeist) is a denial of the possibility of change, renewal, the unexpected. The very vitality of a form of music implies the possibility of its eventual death.

I sympathise with the Frere-Jones dissenters; it must be galling, having built up all that expertise and knowledge, to have your subcultural capital voided by some old git in a bow tie (compulsory at the New Yorker, don't you know) airily declaring the area obsolete. One of the cunning rhetorical ruses used in these critical turf wars between enthusiasts versus curmudgeons is to suggest that the latter are projecting their physical decrepitude on to the state of music. But you could just as easily reverse that and argue that the young are projecting their physical vitality on to the senescent body of pop (every fibre of their hormonally flushed being shouts "it still LIVES!"). I won't say that hip-hop is dead. But it does seem to be doing a good impersonation of being at death's door. More to the point, judging by its output in recent years, it's become a deadening force: as a listening experience, but also as something that maintains a deadlock on the musical imagination (and personal ambitions) of Black American youth. I doubt very much that this demographic has no more surprises up its sleeves in terms of sound and style, judging by past form(s) (jazz, rhythm and blues, funk, house, et al ). But that New Thing won't come until they tire of hip-hop themselves and turn against it.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/music/musicblog/2009/nov/26/notes-noughties-hip-hop
 
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i'm not reading all that right now but yeah, hip hop is terrible these days. the best thing to happen would be everyone leaves hip hop alone then people start fresh again
 
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Thats to long a read homie.

But there is still a lot of good hip-hop music out there. Niggaz gotta unplug from that radio, I almost never listen to the radio.
 
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I wouldn't say hiphop is dead but i don't get that feeling about it anymore. Yall niggas know

1. Being at school all day waiting for it to be over so you can hit up Blockbuster record store or Virgins record store

2. Playing the shit out that album

3. Reading the booklet

4. Remembering the lyrics

I still know Goodie Mob - Soul Food from front to back, music is like photos; it captures a time period
 
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usmarin3;17828 said:
I wouldn't say hiphop is dead but i don't get that feeling about it anymore. Yall niggas know

1. Being at school all day waiting for it to be over so you can hit up Blockbuster record store or Virgins record store
2. Playing the shit out that album
3. Reading the booklet
4. Remembering the lyrics

Hip hop is oversaturated with the next ringtone rapper ready to sell that million and then disappear.

But marine it's crazy i still do that to this day the essence of loving music is gone.
 
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I just seen soulja boy feat jbar new vido on worldstar and that shit pissed me off, him lil b, the new boyz, gucci, whacka flokka, alot these muthfuckaz are whats killing hip-hop. i love the south music because im from there but some shit is just plain dumb as fuck. and its not them, its the industry that puttin these guys out, they would have any major platform. cnt yall see that all they trying to do is dumb us down....have us thinking all the dumb shit they saying is cool, true or should be mimicked!!Fuck the Industry....
 
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A big part of why hiphop sucks so much right now and no one is talking about is ARTIST DEVELOPMENT. Everyone is looking for the instant hit and if it doesn't pop the artist get dropped; these labels are just turning over so many artist and are not developing any artist. Also alot of these rappers aren't paying dues and developing their skills (song writing, performance, putting together albums.etc), a motherfucker can buy a mic, download these cheap sounding beatmaking software, create a myspace page and wallaaaaaa you have a Soulja Boy; an artist who has not paid dues. It took artist back in the days years to get put on.

Hiphop is fast food music now, cheap to make and easilly consumed and doesn't satisfy your appetite.
 
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i think as sales worsten only the true artists will stay for the art... then those just exploiting it for a dollar from the white man will die off and it will get back to the essence
 
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Lupe Fiasco, J. Cole, Wale, Drake, Kudi, Blu, Fashawn, Wiz Khalifa, Currensy, Jay Electronica, Big Sean, XV, B.O.B, Pill......even if most of these cats don't "blow up", as long as they continue to put out good music, I'll be happy. Just because hip hop isn't as relevant in the mainstream as it once was, that doesn't mean it's dead. Is Jazz dead? Is Heavy Metal dead? Is Country music dead? Same goes for Hip Hop.

It would actually be better if hip hop just went completely out of the Top 40 realm.
 
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i dont kno what yall niggas listening to but hip hop to me is alive.....muthafuccas need to stop cryin and pay attention to whats really out there and most of it aint in the spotlight go search for the type of music u wanna hear it aint hard.
 
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QBfinest75;18316 said:
Hip-Hop is not dead, it just underground.

This is a dope quote. I just finished reading the article, and I understand where the author is coming from. I think we need to start aiming at producers more. Producers like Timbaland, Neptunes, Mannie Fresh, Lil Jon, Mr Collipark, Drumma Boy, and Polow Da Don need to be held responsible for creating the cheesy music and allowing even cheesier artists with no talent to buy their beats. The people at the top of the totem pole in the music industry have the ability to change the direction of the artform, but they rather bitchup to snot nosed 15 year olds instead of taking control of this shit. Can anyone ever say Kanye's made a shitty beat? No. And can anyone ever recall a wack rapper over a Kanye beat? No.

This "Live Your Life" and "All The Above" Just Blaze is NOT the same Blueprint Just Blaze we all remember. Same goes to Mr. Blame everyone else but myself aka Timbaland. I can't stand for someone to say they're not making hip hop music because everyone else's shit is wack i.e. Andre 3000. If shit is wack, put it back on track. And Dr. Dre and Eminem need alot of help because all of their material is straight up stale.

The DJ was replaced by the producer, and the producer was replaced by Fruity Loops. Cut that shit out.
 
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i love it when rappers claim that hip hop is dead becuz of "those rappers" and never say their names.
about the thread:
well yeah, wtih people like: lil wayne, gucci mane, rick ross, soulja boy, drake, t.i., 50 cent, tony yayo, etc... we pretty much got it fucked up

personally if i was in a room with a room with 1 bullet, along hittler, mussolini and soulja boy i'd shot soulja boy
 
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Hip-Hop is not as creative as it used to be. Eminem, Jay, and Drake are the artists that excite me the most right now. Lil Wayne does drop real hot songs time to time. I think hip-hop is lackluster for the most part now because artists are too predictable, like 50 became. 50 dropped a good album but it was predictable as hell. BP3 was NOT predictable. It's refreshing to hear an artist PROGRESS.....and too many artists now are too comfortable doing the same thing over and over again. Kanye I must say is a great artist now too. 808 and Heartbreaks is a very underrated album, it had a real refreshing sound to it.
 
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With that being said, Hip-Hop is alive and well. Not as exciting as it used to be, especially compared to the Biggie and Pac era (the glory years of Hip-Hop) and the early G-Unit era, but I truly believe hip-hop is going to be reborn hard one day. No homo.
 
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Most of the music out there is so disposable.

Like how many rappers that dropped in 09 are we going to see at the end of 2010? I bet you not many of them will make it through. Where is Ace Hood, Young Berg, etc? Even this dude Plies. He wont be around long. We've seen that act before its played out like my Run DMC "Down with the King" tape. lol

But then every once in a while you get a artist like J.Cole or Jay Electronica that bring you back to what made you love hiphop in the first place.

Hip Hop to me was being at school with all my boys arguing bout who had the best verses, who had the best albums, whose flow was crazy, etc. We cant do that with this new disposable diaper hip pop music that gets fed to us. Its all made with the same format, the same lyrics, the same beats that its almost impossible to differentiate between the songs.

There is still great hip hop out there, but now you just have to sift through the bullshit to find the real shit.
 
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