Paul Hate.
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blackrain;5981003 said:
And you beleive him?he aint never cross a group of kids walking down the street disparaging his singing?
Please.
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And you beleive him?he aint never cross a group of kids walking down the street disparaging his singing?
Please.
Paul Hate.
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Blood in my eye was corny to people cuz it was obvious shady and gunit was getting under his skin like for real.
I always say drop one diss on wax and keep it moving let the streets decide.
imagine if he dropped its a wrap and kept it moving.like made it clear hes about making hits aint concerned with beefing and battling.
Nigga ..some cats might have said he won.i woulda dropped just one track and let the homies on the label earn their keep.
I always say drop one diss on wax and keep it moving let the streets decide.
imagine if he dropped its a wrap and kept it moving.like made it clear hes about making hits aint concerned with beefing and battling.
Nigga ..some cats might have said he won.i woulda dropped just one track and let the homies on the label earn their keep.
HAF BAYKED;5982109 said:"jump the shark" tho?
is that some new york shit or sumn?
That's a common phrase when something starts going downhill. It started when Fonzie tried to jump over a shark on an episode of Happy Days
HAF BAYKED;5982127 said:ay while on topic....the first time i got high as fuck this shit came on the radio and went ham for some reason lmao....i was jammin like a bitch
but yeah, when i came back down to earth, shits trash
man this track brings back memories. summer of 2001.
ja's downfall was singing too much. got way too oversaturated. plus he got real cocky, saying he was the new tupac on the radio and shit lol. last temptation killed his career.
tharealest561
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You can't compare him to Drake or rappers that sing now.
This is a different climate and game we're in in 2013. That shit is revered and accepted.
Ja was doing it at a time when gangster rap still ruled (no pun intended) the airwaves.
This is a different climate and game we're in in 2013. That shit is revered and accepted.
Ja was doing it at a time when gangster rap still ruled (no pun intended) the airwaves.
Paul Hate.;5982024 said:blackrain;5981003 said:B.BeST;5980595 said:the niggas gas tank was on full, straight premium bullshit though, instead of puttin him up on game niggas sat back watched and let him tank out..........
this is when I was in love wit this hip hop shit to death, I have over 300 rap magazines xxl/th source and the majority are from 00-07, this shit is vivid.....
dude was gassed up and got blindsided by everything around him, the anger u heard in "blood in my eye" was the angry wake up call he never recovered from....
That would be Irv Gotti's fault. Ja said, and Irv confirmed this, that when Ja was at his peak Irv literally wouldn't let hear or read any negative comments about him. So when he would get wind of shit that's why he'd have this big ass overblown reactions. He'd just be hearing about shit that was being said about him for months (his songs were soft, niggas thought he was corny, people hated the singing etc.) Irv kept all that shit from Ja and only let him think it was all love out there. Ja found that out the hard way once he tried to come back and saw how hard a time he had getting records played and being told "Nah that shit is wack"
And you beleive him?he aint never cross a group of kids walking down the street disparaging his singing?
Please.
You reach a certain level of fame like Ja had from 2000-2003 and you can find yourself very easily removed from everyday, normal people. He had a crew of yes men. That was his real downfall.
blakfyahking
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the Tupac comment and the Pain is Love album did him in
@Sion's post is a perfect summary of his downfall
when Ja Rule started sacking Tupac full force, and then that song using Tupac's "Pain" sample really began him going the wrong way
the singing shit was already kind of bad but it was acceptable as long as it was kept to a minimum
mofos still thought he had another VeVeVe like album coming
but 50's GRODT came out in 02 and had the streets bumping his shit.........so when he got at Ja Rule ol boy was done
@Sion's post is a perfect summary of his downfall
when Ja Rule started sacking Tupac full force, and then that song using Tupac's "Pain" sample really began him going the wrong way
the singing shit was already kind of bad but it was acceptable as long as it was kept to a minimum
mofos still thought he had another VeVeVe like album coming
but 50's GRODT came out in 02 and had the streets bumping his shit.........so when he got at Ja Rule ol boy was done
50 pretty much jumped on Ja like a shark...murdaaah
Going after Shady/Aftermath & the G Unit was too much
Even the normally neutral Busta Rhymes joined the "battle"
And him constantly singing helped him neither, yeah 50 did it too
But 50 was that "new guy". And with such momentum, Rule could only loose
Going after Shady/Aftermath & the G Unit was too much
Even the normally neutral Busta Rhymes joined the "battle"
And him constantly singing helped him neither, yeah 50 did it too
But 50 was that "new guy". And with such momentum, Rule could only loose
5th Letter
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I used to like that I'm real song. Definitely one of the few post singing Ja records I liked.
HAF BAYKED;5982127 said:ay while on topic....the first time i got high as fuck this shit came on the radio and went ham for some reason lmao....i was jammin like a bitch
but yeah, when i came back down to earth, shits trash
Just finna post this video.....................................
SheerExcellence
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Sion;5980578 said:A lot of artists tried to rip LL and fell flat on their faces. Now I got love for Drake and all that but I see him looking like the new and improved Ja Rule for this generation. Same theme, similar image (both are hardcore simps) and fans are getting upset with it and want more harder records. One good beef with an artist from his generation and that's all it'll take to knock him off his high horse. It happened to Ja, Lil Flip, hell it even happened to Pac & Big. You seeing it with Wale also not just Drake. For these new artists I think Ja Rule is a good tragedy to learn from.
@sion
i see what you trying to say but drake and ja rule are very different
drake is not hardcore and the main crux of his fanbase is suburban middle class kids not the street
he never had the street and never claimed to be street
ja rule came out calling himself murder inc and his first big single was "holla holla"
he was a street rapper doing songs like Murdergram with jay-z and dmx
he was trying to rep the hood
of course they allowed him to do a few songs for the ladies, just like ppl let fifty cent do tracks like 21 questions
the problem came when that was ALL ja rule did
he was well rounded at first, saw he had a big hit with whatever the first of those sing songs was, and then he just started doing that shit over and over
drake, on the other hand, came out the box doing the same shit he doing now, no one is saying he "Changed"
he always been this guy
and anyway his rap skills are way more advanced than ja-rule
plus he aligns himself with too many people, to ever really have a 50 cent type beef
dalyricalbandit
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man i cant front song had niggas listening to JLo
Ricky.G;5983995 said:yall rlly goin in on ja lol. i liked ja songs to be honest . i felt that ja couldnt respond to alot of 50cent disses cuz they had the feds on em plus half music industry turned their backs on them ,just like the fans did . 50 used that to his advantage.
That was the funniest shit about the whole 50 Cent/Murder Inc beef. 50 spent all that time saying Murda Inc weren't real street niggas, while they were getting raided and investigated by the Feds and put on trial. Shit was hilarious. 50 literally remade the Put It On Me video with 21 Questions and nobody gave a damn. How people fell for this shit I'll never understand
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Oversaturation, incessant Pac biting, calling out Eminem and the Shady campand not having a solid fanbase.
He had a big hit with "Put it on me" and he kept making those type of r & b thug duets. He alienated real heads with that sh*t but females/ casual popfans/ rapfans supported him. They'll grow up and out of that sh*t and stop supporting you and the new gen. of pop fans will latch on to another commercial n*gga. Commercial n*ggas with no solid base will be hot for 4 or 5 years tops but after that they'll fall off. There's a reason acts like the Wu, The Roots, Rakim etc. can still do tours worldwide when they been out for 2 decades with no new hits while acts like Nelly, Ja, T-Pain and even 50cent fall off after a a couple of years.
To make matters worse he got cocky with it, acting like his reign would be forever. He kept biting Pac to the point that it got pathetic (riffin' in radio interviews like "you wanna see Pac come back?"). He and his camp was rocking over classic hip hop tracks, remaking them into some weak r & b thug pop sh*t. Heads got tired of that sh*t, so heads rooted against him.
When it became apparent 50 was gonna get signed to Shady, he started calling out Eminem. While Em was in that same pop category as him, he was the great white hope and alot of those pop fans that Ja shared with Em abandoned him altogether. The media abandoned him, they chose Em's side. He never had a solid fanbase so by the time 50 dropped Backdown he was already on his way down.
When Murda Inc got dismantled because of that Preme connection Ja had already fallen off. Eventhough he dropped dope joints after he fell off (New York) he would never come back...
He had a big hit with "Put it on me" and he kept making those type of r & b thug duets. He alienated real heads with that sh*t but females/ casual popfans/ rapfans supported him. They'll grow up and out of that sh*t and stop supporting you and the new gen. of pop fans will latch on to another commercial n*gga. Commercial n*ggas with no solid base will be hot for 4 or 5 years tops but after that they'll fall off. There's a reason acts like the Wu, The Roots, Rakim etc. can still do tours worldwide when they been out for 2 decades with no new hits while acts like Nelly, Ja, T-Pain and even 50cent fall off after a a couple of years.
To make matters worse he got cocky with it, acting like his reign would be forever. He kept biting Pac to the point that it got pathetic (riffin' in radio interviews like "you wanna see Pac come back?"). He and his camp was rocking over classic hip hop tracks, remaking them into some weak r & b thug pop sh*t. Heads got tired of that sh*t, so heads rooted against him.
When it became apparent 50 was gonna get signed to Shady, he started calling out Eminem. While Em was in that same pop category as him, he was the great white hope and alot of those pop fans that Ja shared with Em abandoned him altogether. The media abandoned him, they chose Em's side. He never had a solid fanbase so by the time 50 dropped Backdown he was already on his way down.
When Murda Inc got dismantled because of that Preme connection Ja had already fallen off. Eventhough he dropped dope joints after he fell off (New York) he would never come back...
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